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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.07.06 12:10:00 -
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Now, I might be missing something, but is there some sort of delay that prevents you from warping after uncloaking or lobbing a bomb? I've already lost 2 stealthbombers because my ship would NOT warp.
1st time:
Was out of point range, uncloaked fired a volley of torps, saw that target had too much tank so I align and click warp. Click Warp. Click warp. Warp warp warp warp dammit. Nothing. Got pointed and killed.
2nd time: bombed a group of people outside a station. Uncloaked about 35km from the group, fired the bomb, aligned and clicked warp. Warp. Warp warp warp warp warp damn you! Nothing. Got pointed and killed. Pod wouldn't warp, either.
Any ideas? I'm not butthurt, I'm just wanting to know if I'm doing something wrong.
Also, on the bombs, what's a good range to fire from? I see the bomb does 3,000m/s for 10sec max, so I assumed 30km range. I fired at I think 33km. Should I factor in my ship's velocity?
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Fastbikkel
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2009.07.06 13:21:00 -
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If you are using the purifier, i just checked the info. I do not see anything about a warp delay after using a weapon. So it seems like just lag. But i could be horribly wrong. -If the enemy is in range, so are you- |
rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.07.06 14:30:00 -
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Yes, I am using the Purifier, in fact.
I'm not sure if it would be lag as I haven't had any real issues with other ships. Perhaps lobbing torps or bombs puts it over the edge?
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.07.06 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 06/07/2009 14:37:28 Are you SURE you have all shiptypes on overview and that you're not missing something? Apart from that, align time (without checking) would be around 4-5 seconds or so. So the time between uncloaking, locking, firing, realising you do crap damage and THEN starting to align to warp is WAY too long.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.07.06 14:47:00 -
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Thing is, when I'm sitting there spamming the warp button, nothing happens at all. I get no message saying warp drive active, nor do I get one of those messages that comes up saying something like "you are unable to warp due to external factors" or similar when someone has you pointed.
Literally, nothing happens. I can sit and there and spam the button like crazy to no effect. And it has only happened after firing torps or a bomb in my Purifier.
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Pierre Dumonte
Aurora Security
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Posted - 2009.07.06 14:52:00 -
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are you in 0.0 and maybe sitting in a bubble?
its either that or you have a serious lag problem. sometimes the message does not appear that you have been scrambled if there are other things spamming messages as well. check your combat logs. _________________________________________________ Aurora Security is recruiting
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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.07.06 14:56:00 -
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I usually don't leave 0.0 so a bubble is a possibility, but highly unlikely.
The 1st time it happened, I saw a lone Curse sitting outside a station. So I'm a good 40-45km out from him, uncloak, fire some torps and start heading towards a planet. I see how little my torps hit for, so I select the planet I'm pointed towards and hit warp. Nothing. Keep hitting warp, now his drones are on me. I ended up getting killed by his drones because my ship refused to warp, even though I was still out of range of a disruptor (I just noticed in my original post I said I was pointed, forgot that in this particular encounter, I wasn't)
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Goshien Aiel
Soldiers of Fortune United
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Posted - 2009.07.06 15:08:00 -
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You are either being pointed and dont know it, or you have serious lag issues in that system.
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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.07.06 15:21:00 -
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I guess so *shrugs*
I will be conducting further experiments (although SB + CovOps Cloak + Launchers/Torps/Bombs starts to get a bit pricey after a while)
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zombeee
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.06 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner Curse
Maybe you were out of cap?
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Orange Faeces
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:32:00 -
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at the risk of the OP being a complete troll, its clear that your order of operations is wrong.
You aligned AFTER you released the bomb. uhduhrrr.
You have to align BEFORE you decloak. Your target has to be inline with your warp point. You warp instantly that way. Easy.
O. Faeces ---
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VanNostrum
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Faeces at the risk of the OP being a complete troll, its clear that your order of operations is wrong.
You aligned AFTER you released the bomb. uhduhrrr.
You have to align BEFORE you decloak. Your target has to be inline with your warp point. You warp instantly that way. Easy.
O. Faeces
Having never fired a bomb, I thought the bomb fired the direction you're facing? (unlike missiles which home on target)
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Orange Faeces
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Orange Faeces on 06/07/2009 17:46:27
Originally by: VanNostrum Having never fired a bomb, I thought the bomb fired the direction you're facing? (unlike missiles which home on target)
Gooood! So, lets review: If you want to fire a bomb, line up your shot making sure that you can instawarp, THEN decloak, release, warp. Done.
If you don't line up your exit warp then you have earned death.
O. Faeces ---
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VanNostrum
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.06 19:17:00 -
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I thought you couldn't recloak for 15 seconds or so after decloaking
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Busta Gonad
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.06 19:45:00 -
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I haven't flown these yet, but have another question.
When you fire bombs, you don't need to have anything targeted. But when you fire them, do they go in the direction that the SHIP is facing? ...or the direction that the CAMERA is facing?
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Col Angus
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Posted - 2009.07.06 20:35:00 -
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They travel in the direction that the ship is facing. So the best tactic is to remain cloaked while getting into a position that allows you to both align to a warpable opject, and be pointed at your target. This allows to you de-cloak, deploy, and warp instantly.
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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.07.06 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Faeces at the risk of the OP being a complete troll, its clear that your order of operations is wrong.
You aligned AFTER you released the bomb. uhduhrrr.
You have to align BEFORE you decloak. Your target has to be inline with your warp point. You warp instantly that way. Easy.
O. Faeces
Oh no, definitely not trying to be a troll, this was a serious question. That bomb I lobbed last night was the first one that I ever tossed.
I'm afraid I didn't explain my order of operations very well.
In the case of the Curse, I aligned to a planet, uncloaked, locked the Curse, fired a volley of torps, saw that they did little damage, clicked warp on the planet that had been selected, and nothing happened, even when spamming the warp button.
In the case of the bomb drop, I was aligned to the center of the group of ships I was intending to bomb, waited until I had closed to about 33km, uncloaked, fired the bomb, then turned and attempted to warp to a planet. Again, spammed the warp button to no effect, and ended up getting pointed, and the rest needs no explanation.
Hope that makes more sense.
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GBlair
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.07.06 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum I thought you couldn't recloak for 15 seconds or so after decloaking
Originally by: Orange Faeces
If you want to fire a bomb, line up your shot making sure that you can instawarp, THEN decloak, release, warp. Done.
Says nothing about re-cloaking. Uncloak, fire and gtfo.
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.07.07 01:07:00 -
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unless there's something you're not telling us it sounds like horrible lag. especially since your pod wouldn't warp.
not sure if that's petition-able but i would try
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Velvet Sinner
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Posted - 2009.07.07 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Velvet Sinner on 07/07/2009 01:53:55 Sorry, but something doesn't make sense. I've never fired a bomb, but it seems odd that a couple folks have stated that you align IN THE DIRECTION OF THE BOMB TARGET. I thought the idea was to gtfo AWAY from the imminent bomb blast, not fly toward it. Bomb target between you and your warp point just doesn't make sense to me. I would think the process would be:
1. align to warp point 2. de-cloak 3. lock 4. launch 5. gtfo
Help me understand. :) Unless bombs are completely non-targeted (ie, you can launch without achieving a lock, and it goes off in the direction your ship is facing), I don't get it.
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Rex Luciferi
The Last Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.07 02:43:00 -
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Bombs are point-of-aim, point-of-impact. They're saying you should position yourself so that by aligning to a warpable object, your point-of-aim is on your target. Then decloak, fire, and warp.
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Taradis
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.07 05:11:00 -
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I have had the same thing happen to me except i could'nt jump and I was out in 0.0 before anyone asks and no I did't fire to warrent a jump penalty. It was probaly lag cuz my client started freaking out shortly there after
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Victor Maximus
Wormholes Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.07.07 05:33:00 -
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Bombs do not require a lock and fire in the direction your ship is heading. Because of this you want to get in a position where you are aligned to a warp out point and have your target along that line, like so:
(Bomber) -----> (Target) -------------------------> (Celestial object warp target)
There's a good chance that what happened to you was getting caught in a dictor bubble when you tried to bomb. Its a decent tactic to catch stealth bombers. Have a nice juicy blob of ships with dictors out around them. As soon as the stealth bomber decloaks the bubble goes up trapping both the bomber and their soon to follow pod.
The only other thing I would suggest you try differently is to stop trying to use the SB solo. Your best success with it will be in a gang with other people to divert attention away from you or who can cripple your target leaving you free to bring the rain.
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Valishka
Gallente GHOST RANGERS Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 08:29:00 -
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It's lag and maybe a few other things. I lost a couple of ships that way, spam warp and the engine conks out and leaves me as a smear in space...and I wasnt even in a SB at the time
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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.07.07 17:21:00 -
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After reading replies, and thinking and playing some more, I think Lag will be culprit. I've been having several "socket closed" discoes lately, and they usually happen after trying to warp or jump through a gate.
I think the best advice given in this thread to me was the "stop trying to use a SB solo" bit...I will have to do that
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.07.08 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner Now, I might be missing something, but is there some sort of delay that prevents you from warping after uncloaking or lobbing a bomb? I've already lost 2 stealthbombers because my ship would NOT warp.
1st time:
Was out of point range, uncloaked fired a volley of torps, saw that target had too much tank so I align and click warp. Click Warp. Click warp. Warp warp warp warp dammit. Nothing. Got pointed and killed.
2nd time: bombed a group of people outside a station. Uncloaked about 35km from the group, fired the bomb, aligned and clicked warp. Warp. Warp warp warp warp warp damn you! Nothing. Got pointed and killed. Pod wouldn't warp, either.
Any ideas? I'm not butthurt, I'm just wanting to know if I'm doing something wrong.
Nowhere you said you where aligned, bombers are slower to align than an agility fit cruiser, so plenty of time for an inty to point it if not aligned before decloaking. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Chuck Loris
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Posted - 2009.07.08 15:50:00 -
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try to use autopilot... I am using it to be sure to warp out from danger ^^ set the destination waypoint, decloack fire something pres blessed 'A' and go for tee ;-)
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity YARRR and CO
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Posted - 2009.07.08 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Luciferi Bombs are point-of-aim, point-of-impact. They're saying you should position yourself so that by aligning to a warpable object, your point-of-aim is on your target. Then decloak, fire, and warp.
hush hush! I love killing stupid bombers before they align out :'( the ones that know this stuff you cant catch. Put in space whales!
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Friggz
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Posted - 2009.07.09 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Friggz on 09/07/2009 02:37:45 No, there is no delay to warping off, other then your ships align time of course. Maybe one of them was in an Arazu or had a faction point equipped? Those could snag you past 30km, and an alert pilot could easily point you before you turned and warped if you weren't aligned.
If you can, line it up so your warping to something on the other side of your target. 30KM from your target is standard so it will explode directly on them, and most scrams won't get you past 25km.
(YOU)->-30km->-(TARGET)->->->-(BOOKMARK)
Accelerate to full speed, decloak, launch bomb, warp. You can shoot torps but if your warping instantly they won't land anyway.
If you don't have a tactical set up and you'll need to align after launching, make sure your at least 30km away, although you might want to even go 35 or 40 depending on your target. Keep in mind the bomb travels 30 km before exploding, and has a 15km radius, meaning you could hit someone from up to 45km away.
Good Luck.
Edit: Oh, and if they know your there and in a bomber, then don't try it. You get one attempt, then you move on, otherwise anyone remotely competent will catch and kill you.
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Kingnuts
Paegan Terrorism Tactics
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Posted - 2009.07.09 02:47:00 -
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Do you have an AB or MWD on at the time?
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