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Plato Idari
TK Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:50:00 -
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This is a good change in my opinion.
If trade hubs were to form in low-sec fleet war systems it would create new opportunities and a more dynamic economic environment. Those who choose to look for these new opportunities will be rewarded, those who just want to sit in Jita and 1isk will not. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:13:00 -
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I have to agree, ratting in alliance space is a wee bit to lucrative, safer the highsec and potentially bot friendly. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:11:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:I have to agree, ratting in alliance space is a wee bit to lucrative, safer the highsec and potentially bot friendly.
Stick to an inexpensive setup (meaning maybe a couple faction damage mods at most, why would you really need more anyway) and this describes L4 missions to the letter, too. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:16:00 -
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If there was 13.5 trillion ISK traded on a Sunday, and we assume the daily average is less, say 10 T per day, then the extra 0.5% equates to and extra 1.5 Trillion ISK per month removed from the economy.
As big traders got skills, maybe 1 trillion ISK or so per month.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:20:00 -
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Rail-thin margin trading in Jita just got a little harder. Boo-hoo. Not everybody trades in Jita. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:30:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Kara Books wrote:I have to agree, ratting in alliance space is a wee bit to lucrative, safer the highsec and potentially bot friendly. Stick to an inexpensive setup (meaning maybe a couple faction damage mods at most, why would you really need more anyway) and this describes L4 missions to the letter, too.
il love to see the statistics comparing ISK put into the game from ratting and ISK put into the game from level 1-4 missions. |
Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:40:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Rail-thin margin trading in Jita just got a little harder. Boo-hoo. Not everybody trades in Jita.
No they didn't.
1.5% will be the new norm, and life goes on as always.
SH |
Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:49:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:
il love to see the statistics comparing ISK put into the game from ratting and ISK put into the game from level 1-4 missions.
It was on fanfest, Missions were #1 i believe, I'm not entirely sure if they seperated it from ratting though.
Almost sure it was missions and bounties put together.
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:50:00 -
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Vincent, you should probably halve your estimate at the least and probably chop it down to a third. The amount traded is not equal to the amount sold.
That'd leave something between 350M and 500M per month extra removed because of this change; which isn't exactly a large amount now, is it?
Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797
The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/
Now showing: The incursion situation |
Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2012.05.22 00:10:00 -
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Lauren Hellfury wrote:Vincent, you should probably halve your estimate at the least and probably chop it down to a third. The amount traded is not equal to the amount sold.
That'd leave something between 350M and 500M per month extra removed because of this change; which isn't exactly a large amount now, is it?
I don't think that word means what you think it means..... |
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
350
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Posted - 2012.05.22 00:55:00 -
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Sorry man, you're gonna have to spell it out for the hard of thinking over here 
Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797
The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/
Now showing: The incursion situation |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
338
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:03:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:corestwo wrote:Kara Books wrote:I have to agree, ratting in alliance space is a wee bit to lucrative, safer the highsec and potentially bot friendly. Stick to an inexpensive setup (meaning maybe a couple faction damage mods at most, why would you really need more anyway) and this describes L4 missions to the letter, too. il love to see the statistics comparing ISK put into the game from ratting and ISK put into the game from level 1-4 missions.
Hard to say. January saw 4.37T from rewards/mission time bonuses alone, although 5.7T was paid into the LP store, so those more than cancel. In February, that was about 4.8T for both numbers. 27T and 32T worth of bounties were paid out in the same time period, but there's no indication as to what came from mission rats versus belt/anomaly rats.
Incidentally, the same period saw about 8T isk paid out through Incursion rewards in both months and another number basically stated that over 90% of that came from highsec.
Other stats suggest that highsec kills about twice as many rats as null, but beyond that there's not much to go on. It's not necessarily unrealistic to figure that bounties from mission rats generate about as much isk as bounties from 0.0 rats, though...you'd only need about 3-3.5m in bounties per mission, average. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:00:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Kara Books wrote:corestwo wrote:Kara Books wrote:I have to agree, ratting in alliance space is a wee bit to lucrative, safer the highsec and potentially bot friendly. Stick to an inexpensive setup (meaning maybe a couple faction damage mods at most, why would you really need more anyway) and this describes L4 missions to the letter, too. il love to see the statistics comparing ISK put into the game from ratting and ISK put into the game from level 1-4 missions. Hard to say. January saw 4.37T from rewards/mission time bonuses alone, although 5.7T was paid into the LP store, so those more than cancel. In February, that was about 4.8T for both numbers. 27T and 32T worth of bounties were paid out in the same time period, but there's no indication as to what came from mission rats versus belt/anomaly rats. Incidentally, the same period saw about 8T isk paid out through Incursion rewards in both months and another number basically stated that over 90% of that came from highsec. Other stats suggest that highsec kills about twice as many rats as null, but beyond that there's not much to go on. It's not necessarily unrealistic to figure that bounties from mission rats generate about as much isk as bounties from 0.0 rats, though...you'd only need about 3-3.5m in bounties per mission, average.
Impressive research, thought I fear it really is "hard to say", allot has happened since January, im pretty sure you know what im talking about, dont think CCP would be happy for me to go and start linking locked topics.
"NPC kill statistics eve" is just one of the searches I did on google.
"Edit part"
Indeed, little attention has bin given to highsec mission running, cant really comment on how much attention has bin really given to nulsec ratting, I mean especially now since both are already nerfed with mission loot no longer dropping meta 0 |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
338
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:07:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:corestwo wrote:Kara Books wrote:corestwo wrote:Kara Books wrote:I have to agree, ratting in alliance space is a wee bit to lucrative, safer the highsec and potentially bot friendly. Stick to an inexpensive setup (meaning maybe a couple faction damage mods at most, why would you really need more anyway) and this describes L4 missions to the letter, too. il love to see the statistics comparing ISK put into the game from ratting and ISK put into the game from level 1-4 missions. Hard to say. January saw 4.37T from rewards/mission time bonuses alone, although 5.7T was paid into the LP store, so those more than cancel. In February, that was about 4.8T for both numbers. 27T and 32T worth of bounties were paid out in the same time period, but there's no indication as to what came from mission rats versus belt/anomaly rats. Incidentally, the same period saw about 8T isk paid out through Incursion rewards in both months and another number basically stated that over 90% of that came from highsec. Other stats suggest that highsec kills about twice as many rats as null, but beyond that there's not much to go on. It's not necessarily unrealistic to figure that bounties from mission rats generate about as much isk as bounties from 0.0 rats, though...you'd only need about 3-3.5m in bounties per mission, average. Impressive research, thought I fear it really is "hard to say", allot has happened since January, im pretty sure you know what im talking about, dont think CCP would be happy for me to go and start linking locked topics. "NPC kill statistics eve" is just one of the searches I did on google.
I would venture to guess that "a lot has happened" that you're referring to would ultimately affect L4s and rats equally.
The most significant thing would be bounties on drones, of course. But, at the same time, many people are abandoning incursions to go back to missions.
Nothing on the first two pages of that google search prove useful, by the way, and I stopped looking after that since it started returning hits for WoW.  |
Arc Typ
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.22 03:15:00 -
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Yikes, 25% increase is fairly steep, but this should not have too much of an affect on the volume of goods traded in my opinion. Traders will simply avoid margins < 2.5% (But really, who does anything less then 20-30%?) and anyone who is not a trader will probably not care about this change at all. |
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