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Lastrites	Posted - 2009.07.07 08:06:00 - [1] I was just looking over Tengu fits and DPS numbers in EFT and I realize that sometimes EFT cant show a ships real effectiveness but still the Tengu has the tank of a roided drake with the DPS of a gimped one. Is this correct? Id like someone with Tengu to tell me what DPS they get and if it actually works. Because from my angle it looks like the damage from a caracal with only 5 launchers 6 tops. Do they need to make new T3 weps for these to have enough DPS to be right? Maybe a T3 HM launcher? Or a bigger boost to Missle Dam? I know the Gal ship is awesome and can break a BS tank, Ive seen it but it relys on extremely hi blaster damage with same number of slots and a huge drone bay. Im not sure the Tengu can since it has no drones and 5/6 launchers. Please explain. Im not trolling just curious.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.07.07 08:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Nyphur on 07/07/2009 08:30:05 Tech 3 ships aren't as simple to design and fit as tech 1 and 2. Work at your fitting for a while and you'll eventually see tech 3 ships can deal around 500 DPS while tanking around 500 DPS. With the signature radius of a cruiser, that's extremely impressive. EDIT: And yes, that includes the Tengu. It can deal over 550 DPS with heavies and over 600 with HAMs while having a tank of around 550-600 DPS. This is all with T2 gear, the trick is to active tank it and use cap rigs. It may look like a drake but it's a better active tank than passive if you want to actually deal decent damage. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.07.07 08:48:00 - [3] Originally by: Lastrites Is this correct? Id like someone with Tengu to tell me what DPS they get and if it actually works. Because from my angle it looks like the damage from a caracal with only 5 launchers 6 tops. I'd like a Caracal that does 926 DPS to almost 30 km. [Tengu, HAM AB that I don't own yet] Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Pith B-Type Photon Scattering Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer 926 DPS with both 5% implants. 838 DPS without. It's a bit of a gimped fit tbh - the AB is suboptimal, it has horrible PG problems and the tank is weak. But overload takes it past 1000 DPS.
Kail Storm	Posted - 2009.07.07 08:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 07/07/2009 08:30:05 Tech 3 ships aren't as simple to design and fit as tech 1 and 2. Work at your fitting for a while and you'll eventually see tech 3 ships can deal around 500 DPS while tanking around 500 DPS. With the signature radius of a cruiser, that's extremely impressive. EDIT: And yes, that includes the Tengu. It can deal over 550 DPS with heavies and over 600 with HAMs while having a tank of around 550-600 DPS. This is all with T2 gear, the trick is to active tank it and use cap rigs. It may look like a drake but it's a better active tank than passive if you want to actually deal decent damage. Last is my alt, SO wait im supposed to active tank it? even since that is a PVP 101 no no? I thought active sucked alot in PVP. Why are they active ships? Also to beat a BS like ammar id have to have a energy nuet right and kill there cap? But Could I break a 900 dps BS tank with a 100 k buffer? It doesnt seem easy but ive seen gal ships tear em apart. Also what makes T3 so much better than Caracal for offense?
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.07.07 09:50:00 - [5] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 07/07/2009 09:51:10 Hint: try fitting BCUs. The Tengu, properly fitted, out-ganks the Drake by a solid margin. edit: 100k EHP, 700 dps (overload for more): [Tengu, Missile PWN] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Kail Storm	Posted - 2009.07.07 10:47:00 - [6] Edited by: Kail Storm on 07/07/2009 10:48:01 I must be doing something wrong with eft im usin the drone setup since i want them to be able to ward off frigs etc but i used 2-2-1-4-1 setup for subsytems and got 391 dps and with a drake "HAM" setup 2 large shield extender 2 invulns, 3 BCS its still about 75 ehp. But I do use HM`s because I want fullrange. Do i have to setup EFT differantly ? I usually get smaller DPS and EHP then you guys even on my Lvl 5 guys. Anyways I hope they T3 BC it with Drake and come out with T3 Heavys/Hams it would own almost anything.
Kail Storm	Posted - 2009.07.07 10:50:00 - [7] Yep jus tdid it with the 900 dps and huge tank and it equaled 341 dps with 60 k ehp and that was with my lvl 5 guy...Do ii have to make resists for enemy 0 or something? Just not working, I get these numbers in my drake.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.07.07 10:59:00 - [8] Hmm, odd. I'm pretty sure it's a problem with your EFT though, since 300 DPS on a Tengu is implausible for a skills-at-V character. Make sure your EFT is up to date and that you have the right ammo loaded?
Kail Storm	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Gypsio III Hmm, odd. I'm pretty sure it's a problem with your EFT though, since 300 DPS on a Tengu is implausible for a skills-at-V character. Make sure your EFT is up to date and that you have the right ammo loaded? Check and check new version ammo to t2 Ok its up to 440 dps, please gysp just explain why a 5 slot HAM with 3 BCS t2 would be so much greater on T3 then 5 slot with 3BCS is there some bonus im not aware of that would change it so drastically? Also im using HM`s not hams.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Kail Storm Last is my alt, SO wait im supposed to active tank it? even since that is a PVP 101 no no? I thought active sucked alot in PVP. Oh you didn't say it was for PvP. Since you are comparing it to the drake, I automatically assumed you'd be using it in missions. What I'd say is keep in mind that the tengu is a cruiser and has a cruiser's signature radius and speed. Those are your main benefits and if used well against a BS like you're suggesting, you may not need much of a buffer. Fit a few BCUs and see how much damage the tengu can do. It's pretty decent, over 500 DPS no problem. Though if I'm honest, using a tengu for pvp at the current prices isn't really worth it. There are much cheaper T2 ships that may perform almost as well. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.07.07 15:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Kail Storm Originally by: Gypsio III Hmm, odd. I'm pretty sure it's a problem with your EFT though, since 300 DPS on a Tengu is implausible for a skills-at-V character. Make sure your EFT is up to date and that you have the right ammo loaded? Check and check new version ammo to t2 Ok its up to 440 dps, please gysp just explain why a 5 slot HAM with 3 BCS t2 would be so much greater on T3 then 5 slot with 3BCS. What? Post the fit you've got in EFT, and its DPS.
Kail Storm	Posted - 2009.07.07 21:58:00 - [12] [Tengu, Kails Tengu] Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Pith B-Type Photon Scattering Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer 419 DPS 60 k EHP IDK
Kail Storm	Posted - 2009.07.07 22:00:00 - [13] [Tengu, Missile PWN] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Lol and Merins has 350 dps with 61k ehp what am i doing wrong? Its the same as my drakes numbers
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.07.07 22:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 07/07/2009 22:57:42 Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 07/07/2009 22:49:52 Originally by: Kail Storm [Tengu, Missile PWN] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Lol and Merins has 350 dps with 61k ehp what am i doing wrong? Its the same as my drakes numbers Cap booster on a buffertanked missile boat is a waste of a midslot. Replace with a LSE II and put missile range rigs in and you can shoot HAMs out to 35-40km. Edit: and for that matter, you should be fitting the augmented cap reservoir so you can fit a 6th launcher. Beats 5 overheated launchers with a slightly longer overheat time. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.07.07 23:00:00 - [15] That's very odd, Kail. What version EFT are you using?
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.07.07 23:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Kail Storm Lol and Merins has 350 dps with 61k ehp what am i doing wrong? Its the same as my drakes numbers You probably have a character from an old version of EFT, where the all-V character does not have any of the subsystem skills. Reinstall EFT (and do NOT copy your characters folder from your old EFT) and load it again. Originally by: Arthur Frayn Cap booster on a buffertanked missile boat is a waste of a midslot. Replace with a LSE II and put missile range rigs in and you can shoot HAMs out to 35-40km. Do you know what a MWD is? It's that thing that makes you go really fast and gives you the ability to stay out of web range so you can easily disengage if things start to go badly. It only has one problem: high cap use, which requires a cap booster to keep it running. Quote: Edit: and for that matter, you should be fitting the augmented cap reservoir so you can fit a 6th launcher. Beats 5 overheated launchers with a slightly longer overheat time. Except this gives you two problems: 1) One less low slot, which means one less BCU, offsetting some of the damage gain from an extra launcher. 2) Massive grid problems, costing you either a lot of tank or even more BCUs thanks to being forced to use your low/rig slots for grid mods and/or remove LSEs. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Kail Storm	Posted - 2009.07.08 00:03:00 - [17] Merin/Sera your right...my subsytems were to 0 and now im getting 700dps from your setup...Wow im impressed now :)and 86k ehp lol awesome ok im training towards it now :) and best part is making me better at drake makes me better at this.

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