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MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:51:00 -
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Patch notes:http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp
Research agents and datacore changes Datacore offers have been added to Factional Warfare Militia Corporations (250 LP and 250,000 ISK for a package of 5):
24th Imperial Crusade: Amarrian Starship Engineering, High Energy Physics, Laser Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Nanite Engineering.
State Protectorate: Caldari Starship Engineering, Graviton Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Quantum Physics, Rocket Science.
Federal Defense Union: Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering, Gallentean Starship Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Plasma Physics.
Tribal Liberal Force: Hydromagnetic Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Minmatar Starship Engineering, Molecular Engineering, Nuclear Physics.
Please remember all above prices are affected by War Zone Control LP Store multipliers.
Field multipliers for all research categories have been removed (this affects Research Point per day). Besides, all Research Points requirements to claim one Datacore have been increased from 50 to 100.
Research Point amounts will not be adjusted in any shape or form with Inferno release. The Unified Inventory system for Inferno, which I would recommend everybody tryon SiSi, is going to be the next 'Door' for CCP. What it adds is worthless when we lose so much functionality.-á |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
143
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:53:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Another Data Cores thread !! First post of this forums alt, too, it seems. Not at all suspicious !
The Goon forum police speaks. Again. You have a lot of nerve talking about how often somebody else posts. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:15:00 -
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Lady PimpStar wrote:Yeah but PI i what 12 days of training? Low bar for entry where as data cores requires a large commitment to be able to access then you still have to do stuff to even make that money. Sounds like it belongs in Eve. I still need to gather all the data cores and take them to whatever base of operations I have to be able to put the data cores to good use. Some lazy people they just sell them out right and miss out on making anything are just as bad as the mission runner that don't sell there loot correctly. Things balanced by "cost of entry" are bound to be unbalanced. It might not be the best analogy, but you can look at supercaps for that.
Lady PimpStar wrote:then you still have to do stuff to even make that money Like what?
You are aware that if you want to make a lot of profit from PI, it also requires a lot of investment and risk (higher tier processing, lowsec POCOs, etc) in addition to having more inherent risk due to having to use haulers to move stuff around. You also still have to "do stuff to even make that money" just as with datacores.
The problem here is not the process that follows getting datacores. The problem is the way datacores are acquired. Currently, after the ramp-up for skills and standings, it is just "sit there, receive research points, cash them in at your leisure" as opposed to PI, which requires more planning, specific times you should go get your stuff from in space, possibly protecting a POCO, etc. In other words, PI requires effort out of the norm to keep going, whereas datacore farming does not.
I agree that it's somewhat unfair to everyone who spent skill points, ISK, and time to get their characters to be able to do this, and perhaps a system should be created so all that time/ISK is not wasted, but continuing the way datacores currently work is unacceptable.
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Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:29:00 -
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Hello OP,
As a fellow inventor you should know that the datacores you produce yourself are not nearly sufficient to keep up a decent rate of invention and t2 production. I always considered those just a small bnous and bought most of them from the market anyway. With the upcoming changes, FW people can get lots of datacores dirtcheap, so you should expect a large influx into the markets and dropping prices of datacores within the next weeks. That's a good thing for inventors. And a bad thing for all those poeple who bought lots of datacores the last weeks because they speculated on rising prices. -.- |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.05.22 00:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Another Data Cores thread !! First post of this forums alt, too, it seems. Not at all suspicious !
I would enjoy the supposed great passive income if I could buy something else than a fitted frigate.
Whatever, take it away, put it in FW I don't give a crap about yadayada. Just give me back the sp I've invested in this crap. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:00:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:"Get stuff, move stuff, sell stuff" can be used to describe most pve. Datacore farming requires far less interaction than other pve, to the point where income is not lost for lack of diligence. That goes goes against the spirit of Eve.
It is as close as possible to "true passive" isk that you point out, which is why people complain about it so much. It's true that passiveness is a sliding scale, but datacore farming is out of whack with all other "passive" activities.
Well then by your definition, moon goo, PI, pretty much anything where you have to take stuff from one place to another after making it would then BE passive. Especially Industry. You arent actively building ships are you? No, you put it in the oven and wait
MadMuppet wrote:Patch notes:http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp
Research agents and datacore changes Datacore offers have been added to Factional Warfare Militia Corporations (250 LP and 250,000 ISK for a package of 5):
24th Imperial Crusade: Amarrian Starship Engineering, High Energy Physics, Laser Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Nanite Engineering.
State Protectorate: Caldari Starship Engineering, Graviton Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Quantum Physics, Rocket Science.
Federal Defense Union: Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering, Gallentean Starship Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Plasma Physics.
Tribal Liberal Force: Hydromagnetic Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Minmatar Starship Engineering, Molecular Engineering, Nuclear Physics.
Please remember all above prices are affected by War Zone Control LP Store multipliers.
Field multipliers for all research categories have been removed (this affects Research Point per day). Besides, all Research Points requirements to claim one Datacore have been increased from 50 to 100.
Research Point amounts will not be adjusted in any shape or form with Inferno release.
yup, buy T2 stuff now once this goes live you wont see it anymore. Ppl dont do FW for a reason
Well, itll be fun seeing ppl having to use meta stuff again lol
CCP Goonwave gets to try his hand at destroying the T2 market like he was drooling about in that TTH video lol http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:21:00 -
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Lady PimpStar wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Passive income sources do not belong in Eve. You have to actually work for continuing success.
Also lookit me, I'm part of a small corp and I'm posting with my main. Surely I will be killed 10 times by tomorrow. I think of Data Cores like Cell phones, it takes time to create them and it's passive income onces your sources is setup. If more cell phone companies are in business thats less profit for you. What about comcast or verizon, onces everything you worked so hard for is setup you get to charge a small subscription fee for very little work. I don't see comcast at my house everyday running a mission from me to receive my monthly money. Plus your data cores are meaning less unless they are turned into something useful anyway, So besides people being upset that data cores are not like missions or incursions what is the real problem? I share your angst / concern about the time invested into raising up standings with a NPC Research Corp.
I spent several months missioning to have nearly perfect standings on an alt. That resulted in RL currency in CCP's wallet for the extra account and ISK in my alts wallet. I worked hard at getting those standings. Passive, my left nut.
Furthermore, I need to collect those datacores every so often, bring them to market and then judge if it is the right time to sell. Still, no income in my alt's wallet until I put up the sell order upon which another player takes action. Not passive and no income until the sale is made.
Unfortunately, CCP's crack designer, CCP Soundwave, believes differently.
I must disagree with the use of Comcast and other Internet Service Providers as models of passive income, though. Those organizations have significant infrastructure and support costs associated with the services that gives you an IP address and connectivity to the rest of the world. Your monthly tithe pays for quite a bit before what's left is considered profit. 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284286 |
Lady PimpStar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:08:00 -
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If they wanted to add some risk just move the higher payout datacore agents to lowsec. I feel like they are forcing invention to be something it shouldn't be by stapling it into the LP store. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
302
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:15:00 -
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Will we get our research agent related sp back? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:27:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:Someone put in the time and effort but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.
Seems reasonable. also applies here Petrus Blackshell wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Im kinda curious... To make money from Datacores you have to get them then take them somewhere to then sell to someone else, correct?
Kinda like how the PI stuff gathers but you have to collect it and bring it to a hub/market/w/e to then sell it?
How is that passive income? Wouldnt true passive income be like if instead of getting items/fuel from the PI buildings they randomly ticked an amount of ISK directly into your wallet? PI is not done at your leisure, when you feel like it once a month. You will make very little isk that way. To make real profit, it requires a lot of planning, maintenance every few days, and most importantly, ACTUALLY UNDOCKING. Ergo, no, not passive. ugh... I never said it was read it again I was comparing data cores to PI and then asking "HOW is that passive?" IE saying its not then going on to ask if passive Isk wouldnt actually be: " instead of getting items/fuel from the PI buildings they randomly ticked an amount of ISK directly into your wallet?" Man ppl need reading comprehension here Not just knee jerk reacting "PI = passive?? OMG I MUST POAST" Sorry for overreacting, it just bugs the **** out of me
Datacores are harvested once every 6 months or so. Requiring ~100 jumps that can be done in a covops in maybe an hour and a half. Then create the courier contracts, wait for the itty 5 with your cores to get to jita/get popped, count your isk.
An hour and a half of effort every 6 months or more is about as passive as you can get. T2 BPOs require more effort (per unit time, not isk), Tech moons require more effort (even discounting protection, etc). There is no EvE income source as passive as Datacores. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
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Zora'e
Nasty Pope
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:51:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: I'm sure Comcast just sit on their asses all day and just passively earn money. No support, no maintenance, no upgrades, no management. All of their thousands of employees get paid every month for having set up some towers years ago, and nowadays they just play solitaire all day.
Income over time without continued effort is a bad idea and shouldn't exist.
Considering the horrid service I received from Comcast... I'd say your assessment was 100% accurate. In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
727
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:20:00 -
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Let the farming datacores with guns(like mining with guns) begin. |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
133
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:28:00 -
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Truth is that if datacore farming was such an easy ride then so many people would have done it that prices would have tanked to the point of being worthless.
The datacore nerf is part of CCP's war on highsec. |
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:42:00 -
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I can feel the OP-¦s pain, as i-¦m in the same situation.
There was a lot of effort in SP, grinding standing to be able to have this passive income. And yes it is PASSIVE INCOME, coz even PI needs mor effort (and after doing PI for some days i never touched it again - so these SP are wasted too).
I will have a look where this is going (DC prices) and after 6 month (when DC prices are down to hell, if) i will rage at CCP to reimburse these wasted SP, when i shut down my R&D Agents, because it-¦s not worth the travel time. |
Serina Tsukaya
Lonetrek Trade and Industries Test Friends Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:50:00 -
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Datacores is too much of a passive income and HAD no costs associated with it. Even though you've spent a lot of time grinding up those standings doesn't mean you should be given a free income of items that can be exchanged for currency. That and they wanted another isk sink, which is perfectly understandable given the current situation.
If anything, datacores will simply end up stabilizing at about 10k plus current prices to make up for them being costly to take out of the research agent. |
Morkus Rex
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:52:00 -
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My Postman wrote:I can feel the OP-¦s pain, as i-¦m in the same situation.
There was a lot of effort in SP, grinding standing to be able to have this passive income. And yes it is PASSIVE INCOME, coz even PI needs mor effort (and after doing PI for some days i never touched it again - so these SP are wasted too).
I will have a look where this is going (DC prices) and after 6 month (when DC prices are down to hell, if) i will rage at CCP to reimburse these wasted SP, when i shut down my R&D Agents, because it-¦s not worth the travel time.
Well, some of us actually do some of the daily missions for our r&d agents, so it is not entriely passive...
I will agree with you on shutting down the agents, the travelling time on 3 toons with 6 agents each, that will not be worth it anymore.
Nobody cares about what you care about!
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:53:00 -
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Serina Tsukaya wrote:Datacores is too much of a passive income and HAD no costs associated with it. Even though you've spent a lot of time grinding up those standings doesn't mean you should be given a free income of items that can be exchanged for currency. That and they wanted another isk sink, which is perfectly understandable given the current situation.
If anything, datacores will simply end up stabilizing at about 10k plus current prices to make up for them being costly to take out of the research agent.
ok, there's too much plex in game, plex needs nerf. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
77
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:13:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Let the farming datacores with guns(like mining with guns) begin.
Yeah, now you mention it... it's rucking fetarded. The LP Store, particularly FW LP has become CCP's "easy option" whenever they can't think of something actually good. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
200
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:18:00 -
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Serina Tsukaya wrote:Datacores is too much of a passive income and HAD no costs associated with it. Even though you've spent a lot of time grinding up those standings doesn't mean you should be given a free income of items that can be exchanged for currency. That and they wanted another isk sink, which is perfectly understandable given the current situation.
If anything, datacores will simply end up stabilizing at about 10k plus current prices to make up for them being costly to take out of the research agent.
Unlike Technetium!
Unlike that!
Don't forget, Goon Friend, your passive income is OKAY! |
March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
176
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:18:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:This thread is so good, I've lost a Garde II and a Garde I to posting in it when waves spawned. Good job! CAREBEAR ALARM!!! |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:22:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Serina Tsukaya wrote:Datacores is too much of a passive income and HAD no costs associated with it. Even though you've spent a lot of time grinding up those standings doesn't mean you should be given a free income of items that can be exchanged for currency. That and they wanted another isk sink, which is perfectly understandable given the current situation.
If anything, datacores will simply end up stabilizing at about 10k plus current prices to make up for them being costly to take out of the research agent. Unlike Technetium! Unlike that! Don't forget, Goon Friend, your passive income is OKAY! You really think that the average goon sees even 1 ISK of the income generated from tech moons?
Also, aren't the tech moon owners among the leaders in trying to get tech nerfed? What's up with that? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Jarvin Xadi
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:18:00 -
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The gist of it is that when the tec bottleneck became apparent, goons and other associate allies pointed it out and stated that at some point a cartle would form to manipulate the price, but nothing was done. Now the goons are actualy in a possition to make that cartle a reality. They have already made a load of isk off it, and they don't need all the income off of it to maintain the aliance/replace losses. And the proposed solution does not really fix the bottleneck, just makes it drip a bit more.
As for datacores, it is the most passive income stream in eve at the moment, and needed to be (and still does) made more active. However, if r&d agents vanish, a skill refund should be in order as (although I dont have the numbers to back this up) the vast majority of people with those skills trained have them trained for the pure purpous of datacore harvesting |
L iriel
YA SQUAD The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:42:00 -
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So from what I have read here so far...it seems that most who have posted here believe that if the goons want something to happen they get it.......is everyone trying to say that EVE is run by the goons now, and not CCP? Are you guys saying that CCP only cares about what the goons think and no one else? |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
62
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:45:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Goons don't really care much about datacores, so it's not like anyone minds much that you want your passive income to not be nerfed.
:techmoons:
EDIT: Someone beat me to it, apparently. I only ever emerge from the shadows when my main is banned. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1047
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:49:00 -
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This is now a tech moon whine thread. Go. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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