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Alarik Frisch
Minmatar
GARDIAN DIVISION 00
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:31:00 -
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Ok, so, I am not ashamed to admit I'm still quite noobish for many things. So here goes: is there any point to fitting a target painter to a railgun equipped battleship? I mean, I thought it would make a difference, but EveHQ fitting tool etc. tell me that it doesn't help at all. What am I missing here? Are tgt painters only useful on missile ships?
Thanks, in advance, for educating me!
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Sandeep
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Posted - 2009.07.10 02:00:00 -
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Target painter makes stuff easier to hit, especially if they are smaller than your guns' signature resolution. It also helps everyone (you, your friends, drones, etc.) shooting at the target.
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Robot Robot
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Posted - 2009.07.10 02:37:00 -
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Sandeep basically covered it.
Target painters will ALWAYS have a beneficial effect (except when shooting very large stationary objects), but in many cases it's such a small one that you're much better off with something else.
In practise, there are two kinds of ships that really benefit from a target painter:
1. Missile ships of any size.
2. Non-missile ships that are attacking smaller craft.
If you (or anyone you are flying with) fit this description, then a target painter is often a good choice. If, however, you are flying a railgun-fit frigate solo, then it's only really going to be noticeably helpful to you when you are shooting drones.
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Alarik Frisch
Minmatar
GARDIAN DIVISION 00
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.10 02:58:00 -
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Ok...so, let me confirm one thing:
If I am target painting someone, do ALL my fleet-mates get the target painter bonus on that target?
I guess equipping a battleship with a target painter is a more logical choice than a frigate then b/c all else being equal, it would better allow me to hit smaller, faster, low-sig targets...
which is good to realize. I should have figured it out by myself, but, well, gotcha.
Thanks!
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.10 05:45:00 -
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Yes, it's beneficial to anyone attacking that ship. If you're in a gang, it can be useful to fit the TP to a frig, because it can lock targets much more quickly, so it can bring the benefits faster.
 Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero!  /me bows
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.07.10 06:05:00 -
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Yep, everyone will benefit from the increased signature radius. Everyone will lock the target faster, everyone will hit it easier, and everyone will track it better (since sig res is a massive part of the tracking formula).
This is due to it not giving any bonus to YOU, but instead penalizing that target by increasing his signature radius.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.10 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 10/07/2009 13:52:57
Edited by: Zartanic on 10/07/2009 13:51:20
I recently dropped my painter for another midslot item. I'm in a missile BC and I have noticed a big adverse difference in damage against frigates. This matters as my drones are not always enough to take them out.
Also when I had one fitted I did experiment and the damage increase for frigates against my large missiles was increased a lot when it was switched on.
So unless you fighting the same weapon size ships it does give a big bonus, which makes sense when you look at the signature and explosion radiuses.
However I still won't fit one as my tank can handle the frigates while my drones take their sweet time taking them out and I'm doing the Cruisers and BC's. The midslot the TP does not use is very handy for my setup so on balance I won't be using one for now. If I come across ECM drones though I may well change my mind on that.
I do notice nearly all fits published do not include a TP which is due to drones being assumed to be sufficient once they are trained to a decent level.
For PVP I always assumed they were very important as it helps all ships, as said, and its a cheap fitting for a tackler to use.
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Grista
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Posted - 2009.07.10 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
For PVP I always assumed they were very important as it helps all ships, as said, and its a cheap fitting for a tackler to use.
In theory, they can be. In practice, you're better off using actual tackling gear - web, warp disruptor, warp scrambler.
One very good use of a target painter is on a Torpedo-fit ratting/mission running Battleship (Raven, Typhoon, etc). Most (perhaps all) NPC BS will take more damage from Torps if they're painted.
As noted above, they will also help larger weapon systems hit and do more damage to smaller targets. This also applies to drones. For example, target painting a frigate that is being attacked by medium or heavy drones, sentries, or even fighters.
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Alarik Frisch
Minmatar
GARDIAN DIVISION 00
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.10 17:36:00 -
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It almost sounds as if a fleet of battleships, each of which was equipped with a tgt painter, would be very good at sweeping frigates off the board. I mean, assuming the FCs called primary effectively and it had 5 or 6 painters on it (they stack, right?) then the sig radius of any small ship would get very high very quick, allowing it perhaps to be taken down in single volleys from the battleships...right? Is this a common fleet tactic?
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.10 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alarik Frisch
they stack, right?
Target Painters suffer from stacking penalties, so only the first 3 are really worth while. The fourth will provide a little extra, but after that it isn't worth it to use more.
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Alarik Frisch
Minmatar
GARDIAN DIVISION 00
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.10 18:50:00 -
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ok. But it still sounds like a three-ship sqaudron could be pretty effective against a variety of smaller targets. Now I just need to find a few BS pilots willing to fit target painters to try it out!
thanks, this has been educational.
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ki Tarra on 10/07/2009 19:12:12
Originally by: Alarik Frisch
Now I just need to find a few BS pilots willing to fit target painters to try it out!
Target painters strength is comparable to a tracking computer/tracking link. The main difference being that the former affects a single target, the latter affects a single shooter.
There is no miracle fix to allow a battleship to pop a frigate, aside from managing transfersal. Get a direct hit on one while it is flying strait at you and you probably won't need a second volley.
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