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m0jo Minmatar Chemical Dependency	Posted - 2009.07.10 16:38:00 - [1] You guys actually think its over with kenny. The resolve of BoB is much more than you can imagine tbh. Sorry had to post, way too many goon giving each other dutch rudders.
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 16:41:00 - [2] pity we don't have the stomach for a fight
Ardetia Caldari The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.10 16:41:00 - [3] Edited by: Ardetia on 10/07/2009 16:41:11 im sure theres an open spot for you in faction warfare who knows, it might reduce redundant threads like these
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.07.10 16:41:00 - [4] "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 16:45:00 - [5] You'll never beat BoB, they have too many elite pilots. You'll never beat BoB, they have too many allies. You'll never beat BoB, they have too many titans. You'll never beat BoB, they have too many Sov 4s to crack. You'll never beat BoB, they have too many r64s. You'll never beat BoB, they have too many t2 BPOs. You'll never beat BoB, they have too much ISK. You'll never beat BoB, they have too much resolve.
Young Destro Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2009.07.10 16:58:00 - [6] Originally by: m0jo The resolve of BoB is much more than you can imagine tbh. "I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit!"
BiaXia Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 17:05:00 - [7] It sure feels like it's over. I mean we took their space and they're in empire.
Oli Robbo Gallente Galactic Defence Syndicate	Posted - 2009.07.10 17:05:00 - [8] "If you strike me down now Darth, I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine." Or something along those lines.
Gommel Nox Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 17:23:00 - [9] Edited by: Gommel Nox on 10/07/2009 17:23:52 what's a Dutch Rudder? Edit: you realize that you're whining like a goddamn woman, right?
Twigand Berries Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 17:32:00 - [10] learns what a dutch rudder is. runs to make a thread incorporating dutch rudder.
Nought Prymary Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 17:33:00 - [11] Originally by: m0jo i'm M0jo, my ship is the white tiger and i have been a hunter for as long as i can remeber my past is a blure i have no famly that i know of but my foster foter orien...but he has been killed...and the killer called him self...my brother...i now hunt this so called brother... and one day i will fined him and kill him... If you need a hunter call me... for no one gets away from the white tiger member impass is my home
SavageBastard Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 17:47:00 - [12] Originally by: m0jo You guys actually think its over with kenny. The resolve of BoB is much more than you can imagine tbh. Sorry had to post, way too many goon giving each other dutch rudders. Wow that IS funny.
Scatim Helicon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 18:59:00 - [13] ugh goons stop spamming CAOD with threads about BoB and Goons ugh
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 19:19:00 - [14] Originally by: m0jo You guys actually think its over with kenny. The resolve of BoB is much more than you can imagine tbh. Sorry had to post, way too many goon giving each other dutch rudders. that's not ha-ha funny
Dramaticus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 19:20:00 - [15] im still waiting for the other 13 and a half days of that 2 week offensive they promised. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Coranor Minmatar Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.07.10 19:24:00 - [16] Edited by: Coranor on 10/07/2009 19:24:05 Holy crap its mojo. Hail fellow space traveler.
Jacada McBeef Caldari Sock Robbers Inc. Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.07.10 19:50:00 - [17] Edited by: Jacada McBeef on 10/07/2009 19:50:43 This is hilarious. BoB the undefeated .... defeated. Wait a minute.. You get the picture i'm sure.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 20:08:00 - [18] Originally by: m0jo You guys actually think its over with kenny. The resolve of BoB is much more than you can imagine tbh. Sorry had to post, way too many goon giving each other dutch rudders. yeah i heard a lot of resolve in dianabolic's voice during the rkk corp meeting i completely agree Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ tentonhammer.com column
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 20:09:00 - [19] Originally by: m0jo i'm M0jo, my ship is the white tiger and i have been a hunter for as long as i can remeber my past is a blure i have no famly that i know of but my foster foter orien...but he has been killed...and the killer called him self...my brother...i now hunt this so called brother... and one day i will fined him and kill him... If you need a hunter call me... for no one gets away from the white tiger member impass is my home so uh wow i guess you can close this thread, if that's your bio, i mean... wow Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ tentonhammer.com column
Natas Dog Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 20:18:00 - [20] White tiger, more like wounded tiger.
Bud Johnson Caldari Capital Ships Inc. Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.07.10 20:22:00 - [21] Leaked Kenny TS meeting detailing the next step in the plan to destroy all that is goon. Linkage
TrojanFresh Minmatar The Suicide Kings True Reign	Posted - 2009.07.10 20:24:00 - [22] Yes.......I agree we should donate isk and man power to BoB/Kenny. Actually lets help Cyvok and D2. If we really try hard we can bring back LV as well.
Crazedmon Caldari The Subtle Knife Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.07.10 20:27:00 - [23]
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 20:37:00 - [24] stupid goonies, now bob is really really really *really* mad, theyll get you just wait and see
Devilish Ledoux Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 21:42:00 - [25] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Now you're being prosecuted for the actions of a very few people, who unfortunately for GoonSwarm, have a commanding position within the corporation. For it to end, you'll have to learn this isn't SA Clone #2657 the hard way. We will keep teaching you the meaning of consequence for as long as you give us a reason. And you will learn, my God you will learn - either by disassociating yourselves from the trash that started this (which you've begun already) or finding your own path in EVE outside of GS. You can think of BoB as parents, scolding children for unruly behaviour. You can think of the community as Borg, forcing assimilation upon you under penalty of death. Pick and choose they are free metaphors, I really don't care. But what you're fighting against is nothing short of omnipotence itself. Only a cause delivered by the Divine can motivate the most bored and jaded vets of EVE to camp your stupid shuttles 24/7. And thats what this war is, a Holy War. We put a Jihad on you, and you'll find that even the thickest roleplay variations of this war (which I may be spewing now actually!) are quite hurty. You're going to go through days, weeks, and most likely months of ingame pressure and constraint. Until one day, you finally realize its not a place to pew pew and irritate the crap out of everyone who doesn't suckle on lowtax's teats and condemn anyone who even thinks of pulling another stupidly unfunny stunt. Then, and only then will the cancer be gone. RESOLVE. _
Saravos Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 21:47:00 - [26] cats are pretty great I like cats does anyone else like cats
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 22:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Saravos cats are pretty great I like cats does anyone else like cats men who are regarded as creepy by women also gramtar
Chadstick Gallente Smegnet Incorporated Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.07.10 22:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: Saravos cats are pretty great I like cats does anyone else like cats men who are regarded as creepy by women also gramtar I like cats - check Women think I'm creepy - check Yup pretty spot on there. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Crumplecorn's DesuSigs
Cindy McCain Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 22:52:00 - [29] This forum thread deserves my applause. I haven't read so much of a corporations forum thread so thoroughly in what seems like an eternity - and its a great reminder that I still care about EVE. To answer the question "where did the Goons go wrong?" by itself is impossible. Go wrong at what? To people like Jasmine/JF, they failed to bring a new angle of thinking to what they deem as an old and jaded community. They are upset the opportunity to do something entirely new was squandered. Instead they fell into the same habits that I see a thousand other corporations making. I'm sure some Goons will disagree, but the simple fact that you are new to EVE and everything is new to YOU does not mean we haven't seen it all before. Your tactics, your leadership, your structure, your loyalty, your approach. None of it is unique, despite believing the contrary, and I think if there was ever an expert on radical thought it would be Jasmine. So the first failure of expectation is innovation. I say expectation, because that is what some people wanted to see. It doesn't mean that GoonSwarm was trying to innovate in the first place or that they should innovate, because after all, the standard and established norms which JF find stagnant are generally the ones that have mass appeal. They simply wanted to provide a stable and friendly environment for newbies to flourish in, and you can't do that with wild ideas which are harder to grasp than the game itself - unless your leader is more charismatic than Jesus and has the intellect of Einstein and the cunning of Sun Tzu. To see 2000+ people running around with radical political viewpoints and unorthodox (non-metagaming) strategies would be quite the sight. In fact, I'd real money to see that just because it would turn EVE on its freaking head. And I'm sure that making public my own personal dissapointment, and having my ideaologies associated with JF will cause me violent fits of vomiting for many nights to come. Sorry Jasmine :) The second reason why people's expectations were let down with GoonSwarm was their inability to capitalize on the tiny foothold they were given into 0.0 politics/warfare (through sheer luck, might I add) in any sort of long term capacity. They sorta had it, and then they didn't. For this, I squarely blame the current leadership - Remedial. He may have the ability to stir up the hive, but you can't expect to have any long term success without the planning, logistics and sheer political cunning to go along with it. The internal drama which was posted on E-O boards between Remedial and his directors perfectly exemplifies his inability to accept that HE ALONE IS NOT GOONSWARM. He may have created it, he may have the powers to destroy it. All corporations go through creation and destruction (eventually) and what matters is what you do in between. Remedial simply doesn't have the patience/stamina for it. The cold hard truth is that he likely created GoonFleet as his own personal shortcut to the success/fame he's been unable to grasp in the last three years on his own.
Cindy McCain Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.10 22:53:00 - [30] So did GoonSwarm prove the point that even low skilled characters can wrestle with serious alliances in 0.0? If they wish to believe they did, simply by contesting XZH for two weeks, fine. But I don't believe they did. To prove a point they would have to been able to not only contest but hold that space. To prove that newbie ambition is more powerful than all the isk reserves of D2. To show that skillpoints and dreadnaughts don't matter when you have organization. In the end they lost the space. They didn't have the proper attitude going in, because a lot of it was "its okay if we lose it, we're still new!". If you go into any war with the option of defeat being "acceptable" by a large majority of your membership, that is the only outcome you'll recieve when there is any pressure put upon you. A mistake you are making now with the BoB war. And initially you had the right idea of hiring mercs to do the dreadnaught work, because really.. thats the only recourse you have when you can't fly a dread. But in the end you simply hold onto that concept. So what are we at now? Lack of innovation, and lack of organization. You've dissapointed quite a lot of people right there, but they were unfair expectations to begin with. It would be nice to see an entity come in and blitz the entire cluster in their first couple months, but the sad reality is that you can't do that. EVE has a steep as hell learning curve and the only way you'll be anything more than "NewbFleet" is with time. We all did it, so will you. But I think the even sadder reality is that many people (especially new ones) will misunderstand this and see it as "I can't compete unless I have skillpoints and isk" which is entirely untrue. My largest pet peeve about this community is the overestablished relevance of skillpoints and isk - and I was hoping a non-EVE based community would come in to clearly and definitively prove otherwise. Of course, to blame GoonSwarm of these two "failures" would be pretty silly. 99% of EVE's corporations can be blamed of being newbs when they were newbs, and lacking innovation. No, thats not a worthy topic of discussion. The real question should be "what have the Goons done to deserve being held back / hated / oppressed / insertsomething ?" And boy, am I going to love answering this question. I will say now that any Goon who seriously believes it was done to curb them from being a future threat is simply put: a moron. There IS a certain expectation from BoB when it comes to how other entities treat us. It doesn't require asskissing, or fear, or even general basic compliance to anything we say or do ingame. I'd be lying if I said those weren't nice when they do happen. But I'd also be lying if I said that is exactly what we/I want. No, I want people to think they can beat me. I want them to try, hard. I want them to go to great lengths at showing EVE just exactly how much "BoB sucks". Why? Because its fun fighting people who try. I'm not saying anybody who doesn't try to Jihad us is bending/rolling over, they could simply have similar political and strategic viewpoints (FIX is a good example). Getting that out of the way lets me focus on the core problem. We all know the reprocussions of them. GoonSwarm in its current state will never be allowed to exist in EVE, ever. If you take that as the threat of BoB hounding you ingame for all eternity, good. If I said this extends to the entire EVE community and end up sounding arrogant in your eyes, thats fine too. I do not represent the "EVE community", but BoB is part of it, and I know the people who I personally associate with and the community which we as a group associate with - and it we would simply not be a part of this mythological "EVE community" if it blindly accepted the cancerous filth that resides within GoonSwarm.

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