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Burseg Sardaukar Gallente Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 18:28:00 - [181] I am singlehandedly taking them apart, thank you, thank you. /bows http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=7193822
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.07.13 18:30:00 - [182] The amount of hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Truly. It began to reach critical mass about the time it stopped being about Sorched Earth...which was what...page 1? Love me some CAOD. Anyway, when I said Scorched Earth's decision somewhat made sense in the short-term in that "backstab" thread from a while back, I didn't realize it would be as short-term as it looks like it might be. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
JABBIE Gallente Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.07.13 18:41:00 - [183] Edited by: JABBIE on 13/07/2009 18:42:11 Originally by: Orree The amount of hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Truly. It began to reach critical mass about the time it stopped being about Sorched Earth...which was what...page 1? Love me some CAOD. Anyway, when I said Scorched Earth's decision somewhat made sense in the short-term in that "backstab" thread from a while back, I didn't realize it would be as short-term as it looks like it might be. Ok - back on track with Scorched Earth. We can agree that they've been busy in July. Losses - July 2009 663 Ships killed (17.14B ISK) 1157 Ships lost (38.48B ISK) Not that I play much Killboard-online...just saying. Jabbie Director of Zingers Alcatraz Inc
Admiral Frools Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.07.13 20:24:00 - [184] Originally by: Gnulpie Hmm, I just remember when PL + Cry Havoc fought against TRI, big cap battle. As soon as PL lost a couple of caps they cynoed out their remaining few caps and run away and were never seen again on that battlefield. CH though stayed, jumped in tons of more caps and in one of the biggest cap battles in Eve they held the field in the end. But yeah, elite pvp alliance, sure thing! Beautiful troll
Zaerlorth Maelkor Minmatar The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 21:17:00 - [185] Originally by: CARY History (Birth) of Atlas Fact or fiction Bad Luck or Omen Let take a look at the History of Atlas Friends Iron.....Cascade Roadkill..DEAD Smash....DEAD Pure......DEAD BOB.......Cascaded EXE.......Cascaded Aggression..Cascading Scorched Earth...Cascading IRC....Are they now feeling this Omen ED.....Are they feeling the Omen I would be a little worried if I was Blue to these guys! Thank you for listing one of our selling points. Atlas failing forever! However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
El'rac Caldari Ascent of Ages Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.13 21:23:00 - [186] Is this thread back to being about us again? And yes we aspire to fail as horribly as Atlas has. And TNT-- please POS spam 3-L every weekend. Thanks!
Kithron Gallente Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.13 23:17:00 - [187] Originally by: JABBIE Ok, so this is how you do it... You take your deep fried french fries and make a base layer in a large bowl. Then you put on some mozza cheese curds and put another layer of fries on top of the curds. Deep fry a couple slices of bacon and break up into tiny bits. Add more curds to top layer and smother in extremely hot chicken gravy making sure to get some on every curd so that they melt into a beautiful cheese gravy goop. Top with bacon bits, a tiny whip of sour cream and sea-salt to taste. Jabbie Director of Poutine Alcatraz Inc I am going to make a CAOD posting exception....this sounds terrific. Thanks, Jabbie. My wife suggested beef gravy instead, but either is good.
Venetian Tar Caldari The 0ri Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.14 02:21:00 - [188] CAOD? Did I walk in here? /me walks out again Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Zymurgist
Herring Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.07.14 03:36:00 - [189] Originally by: El'rac Is this thread back to being about us again? And yes we aspire to fail as horribly as Atlas has. And TNT-- please POS spam 3-L every weekend. Thanks! If you really want us to . The next time you hear *****ing on vent, remember what you've asked for.
UNA13OM13ER Gallente Association of Commonwealth Enterprises	Posted - 2009.07.14 03:41:00 - [190] Edited by: UNA13OM13ER on 14/07/2009 03:41:11 ACE Has left BYRN.......... This was the best show of logistics I have ever seen in this game, We completely removed all assets without any problmes in 26 hours, all memebrs are in high sec and all assets secured. For those I Flew with, Fly safe, keep comms clear and listen to the Fleet Commanders. They are learning jst like you are. As for current allaince leadership, I think if you told the rest of the alliance what your plan for BYRN is, there wouldnt be much of a BYRN left. By Voteing to have the Charter restricions removed without all the CEOs votes was childish. But at the same time I also understand that LEADERSHIP IS HARD AT ANY LEVEL, however that does not detract fro the fact that you treat people with the dignity and respect that they desreve. From a corp leadership perspective it has basically become impossible to function within this alliance, the demands that are being placed on corp leaders are unreasonable primaraly because like us an industrial corp it has become become very much one sided in VAFS favour, the moon mining situation is beyond belief, and the demands to eject members from corps is not acceptable either. The Operational and growth plan that 'EL'RAC' wants in SE offers no support at all for the alliance corps except for VAF. what it does do is put corporations like us and others into a situation where we do all the hard work like deploying and running pos's at our expense to then give away all of our profit we could make on moons let alone our time and capital invesetment that we have used to deploy and maintain them. In a nutshell, E'lrac and TESSA are getting really wealthy while everyone else is paying for it. This is not the kind of Model I would use to make a Alliance grow. Maybe one day the current alliance leadership will see the error of its ways. I belive this allaince has alot of potential. For the corps that are staying. Good luck, and fly safe. Im sure we will see each other again real soon A-C-E members.

Jinal Estok Caldari UNITED STATES ARMY Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.14 03:56:00 - [191] People are still surprised at El'rac and VAF treating other corps badly? WTF?! You didn't figure it out when Entaran's corp got banished from mining in the decent systems because he was willing to sell dreads for less than Tessa? The irony is, a lot of SE seems to believe that VAF is actually a good thing for the alliance. Woot, medium to high prices and you ONLY have to wait 1-2 weeks for stuff to arrive! Or you could stroll over to any decent 0.0 region and buy stuff for less directly off the market. Even IRC had 10x the market that SE did and they never made a big deal about it. Oh yeah El'rac: posting that you are going to hot drop people on intel channels that everyone in the world can see -> not good for operational security :)
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.14 04:27:00 - [192] oh hey let's just betray tcf this is a great idea OH GOD WHY ARE WE FALLING APART AT THE FIRST SIGN OF PRESSURE Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ tentonhammer.com column
El'rac Caldari Ascent of Ages Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.14 05:11:00 - [193] Oh Noes ACE left.. THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING or.. maybe we some people don't like change. And.. there are spies in Eve? Oh noes....... Can we move on now please? BTW one more is going tomorrow-- get your posts in early! One new one joined and others coming. Clearly we are failing..
Too Ducky Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.07.14 05:44:00 - [194] Originally by: El'rac Oh Noes ACE left.. THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING or.. maybe we some people don't like change. And.. there are spies in Eve? Oh noes....... Can we move on now please? BTW one more is going tomorrow-- get your posts in early! One new one joined and others coming. Clearly we are failing.. You are very optimistic after losing some 20% of your alliance (500 members) in one weekend. From what I hear, more corps are in discussions about leaving to, so that will be something to look forward to. Also care to comment on your killboard stats for this month elrac? 702 Ships killed (18.12B ISK) 1210 Ships lost (39.28B ISK) I guess
Venetian Tar Caldari The 0ri Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.14 05:47:00 - [195] Originally by: Too Ducky Originally by: El'rac Oh Noes ACE left.. THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING or.. maybe we some people don't like change. And.. there are spies in Eve? Oh noes....... Can we move on now please? BTW one more is going tomorrow-- get your posts in early! One new one joined and others coming. Clearly we are failing.. You are very optimistic after losing some 20% of your alliance (500 members) in one weekend. From what I hear, more corps are in discussions about leaving to, so that will be something to look forward to. Also care to comment on your killboard stats for this month elrac? 702 Ships killed (18.12B ISK) 1210 Ships lost (39.28B ISK) I guess This big man had to use his nasty Zealot to kill my poor Nemesis earlier. Very bad man! (Eurgh, I really can't stay on topic =/) FAILCASCADE COMMENCE! Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Zymurgist
Garek Gallente Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.07.14 06:22:00 - [196] Originally by: dastommy79 let me refresh your memory. xdeath spams towers to open second front. They are losing badly. Coalition sends TCF as backup. They lose a titan and run away. Cap fight over a r64 moon, PL and everyone on their blues list shows up. We SPANK you guys with our brosefs AAA and others. You guys go back to western front. We then steamroll your allies in the east. Atlas roxxxx you are the new bob / gbc ........ Good luck
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.14 08:40:00 - [197] Originally by: Jinal Estok People are still surprised at El'rac and VAF treating other corps badly? WTF?! You didn't figure it out when Entaran's corp got banished from mining in the decent systems because he was willing to sell dreads for less than Tessa? BYRN's loss, our gain tyvm for the bunch high-SP guys who actually like doing logistics and market supply!
JABBIE Gallente Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.07.14 08:56:00 - [198] Originally by: Kithron Originally by: JABBIE Ok, so this is how you do it... You take your deep fried french fries and make a base layer in a large bowl. Then you put on some mozza cheese curds and put another layer of fries on top of the curds. Deep fry a couple slices of bacon and break up into tiny bits. Add more curds to top layer and smother in extremely hot chicken gravy making sure to get some on every curd so that they melt into a beautiful cheese gravy goop. Top with bacon bits, a tiny whip of sour cream and sea-salt to taste. Jabbie Director of Poutine Alcatraz Inc I am going to make a CAOD posting exception....this sounds terrific. Thanks, Jabbie. My wife suggested beef gravy instead, but either is good. Your wife is wise and has taste. Having done it both ways, beef gravy does indeed to the trick. However, it does not allow for the full bacon effect in the same way that chicken gravy does. For optimal results, you really want to use packet gravy from a Quebec restaurant called St Hubers. If you are state-side and unable to acquire this luxury, gravy from Kentucky Fried Chicken works equally well. It doesn't hurt to have some asprin on hand in case you have a heart attack during digestion. Enjoy. Jabbie Director of Kentucky Fried Gravy Experiments Alcatraz Inc
JABBIE Gallente Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.07.14 09:36:00 - [199] Originally by: El'rac Oh Noes ACE left.. THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING or.. maybe we some people don't like change. And.. there are spies in Eve? Oh noes....... Can we move on now please? BTW one more is going tomorrow-- get your posts in early! One new one joined and others coming. Clearly we are failing.. Here man, let me help you out with recruiting. Jabbie Director of Human Resources Alcatraz Inc
Reprimander Caldari Failswarm	Posted - 2009.07.14 09:50:00 - [200] Originally by: The Mittani oh hey let's just betray tcf this is a great idea OH GOD WHY ARE WE FALLING APART AT THE FIRST SIGN OF PRESSURE to be fair, I think thats more closely linked to the fact they are a terrible alliance of many useless and selfish corporations, rather than anything to do with the TCF backstab

Ag'Ammemnon Amarr ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.07.14 11:30:00 - [201] Edited by: Ag''Ammemnon on 14/07/2009 11:32:39 Edited by: Ag''Ammemnon on 14/07/2009 11:31:38 Originally by: Reprimander Originally by: The Mittani oh hey let's just betray tcf this is a great idea OH GOD WHY ARE WE FALLING APART AT THE FIRST SIGN OF PRESSURE to be fair, I think thats more closely linked to the fact they are a terrible alliance of many useless and selfish corporations, rather than anything to do with the TCF backstab I don't think that it's specifically linked with TCF. The cement of an alliance is trust...by betraying TCF (or any other alliance who would have treated them well) their leader proved to be, first of all, untrustworthy. Who has betrayed once, will usually betray again. It must be difficult to stay united when you are not sure wether you can show you back at your own chiefs or not. Btw, props to TNT for standing against the scorched "giant".
dastommy79 Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.14 11:38:00 - [202] Originally by: Ag'Ammemnon Edited by: Ag''Ammemnon on 14/07/2009 11:32:39 Edited by: Ag''Ammemnon on 14/07/2009 11:31:38 Originally by: Reprimander Originally by: The Mittani oh hey let's just betray tcf this is a great idea OH GOD WHY ARE WE FALLING APART AT THE FIRST SIGN OF PRESSURE to be fair, I think thats more closely linked to the fact they are a terrible alliance of many useless and selfish corporations, rather than anything to do with the TCF backstab I don't think that it's specifically linked with TCF. The cement of an alliance is trust...by betraying TCF (or any other alliance who would have treated them well) their leader proved to be, first of all, untrustworthy. Who has betrayed once, will usually betray again. It must be difficult to stay united when you are not sure wether you can show you back at your own chiefs or not. Btw, props to TNT for standing against the scorched "giant". You left them to die and they had no other choice. It was a hard decision but a smart one. Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader WTB Leviathan. Hit me up ingame
Cippalippus Primus Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.07.14 11:47:00 - [203] You mean, they saved them from Aggression, then Sc0rched switched sides before even one of their POS was attacked? And who is holding the high end moons in the area now? Surely not Sc0rched Earth. Except they now can't complain about the raw deal, because they sure won't receive help from anyone else. If Atlas or AAA tell Sc0rched to jump, their only possible reply is "how high?". Good move by Atlas, to be honest, but Sc0rched Earth is now in an even worse situation than before. -clp
Roman Lynch Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises	Posted - 2009.07.14 12:03:00 - [204] TBH, I agree that TCF kinda left SE out to dry... kinda. See, there is no transperancey with alliance leadership, so we know what they told us, and that was if SE got invaded again, TCF would not help. Now granted, TCF did have some things on their plate at the time. So SE asked for the high end moons to help fund a capital ship building program, and SE was told flat out, NO. If this isnt true, the El'Rac was a lier and a cheat. If it WAS true, than it made sence to go with the other deal, reset standings and have WC as a home. But then -A- said they wanted the moons, so everybody said "ok", alliance chat was spammed about it, people flamed, duckey left and people forgot the moon thing, because duckey was still in a fleet when he flipped, warped to a ship in fleet and popped it. So THAT became the focus point, not the fact that SE was being bullied. Then El'rac gets rid of the alliance charter, because he couldnt do anything without it being voted on, and none of the CEOs thought his ideas were good, so they voted no all the time. So he got rid of the charter and became a dictator. As my corp mate stated, not the model for running an alliance I would use...... But all in all, I think SE will do well, they will continue to grow, corps will come and go as they do in every alliance. And maybe one day, El'rac will look back at what he has destroyed and think...."wow, maybe i was a dik after all....."
Orbis Kazma Gallente Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.07.14 12:30:00 - [205] Edited by: Orbis Kazma on 14/07/2009 12:31:56 Originally by: dastommy79 You left them to die and they had no other choice. It was a hard decision but a smart one. As someone said, not a single shot had been fired at a pos, ~left them to die~ at the hands of what? Atlas and aggression wolfpax? Soon as Byrn betrayed TCF, new hostiles took over that job anyway. Your coalition had bigger fish to fry with goons and RA and wasn't even a threat to WC, an annoyance, sure, but, the truth is BYRN just wanted a fresh and different kind of Overlord to be their homeland defense in the event of another war. P.S. Jabbie, why did you necro that Byrn Standing Reset thread? We were saving that for when Atlas reset BYRN
CARY Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.14 12:30:00 - [206] Edited by: CARY on 14/07/2009 12:34:05 Originally by: CARY Posted - 2009.06.08 20:48:00 - [118] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by: CARY on 08/06/2009 20:48:07 Sc0rched Earth...........Becareful of the road you travel down.............You might have to travel back up that same road.............. Just wanted to quote myself again, becase it feels so good.
Cippalippus Primus Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.07.14 12:42:00 - [207] Cary, that wasn't a good post (proof: it was your post). -clp
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.14 12:48:00 - [208] kick BLTS from goonswarm also did scorched earth seriously stab TCF over moons only to have those moons end up in AAA's hands, lmao
Jinal Estok Caldari UNITED STATES ARMY Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.14 16:26:00 - [209] Originally by: marxist revolutionary also did scorched earth seriously stab TCF over moons only to have those moons end up in AAA's hands, lmao Some funny stuff, eh? :) The sad thing is, SE had a lot of potential. The corp quality was certainly a lot higher than IRC for example. The issue is and has always been that alliance leadership in there is f'in terrible and the poor decisions made by El'rac were always going to result in massive failure at some point. Back in April my prediction was 6 months, but it is no surprise to see it coming already after 3. Oh well, another -A- ally down the drain. At least when -A- hears the footsteps later on, they'll be able to console themselves with the fact that at least their alliance leadership got lots of $$$ in real life from moon gold taken from "allies".
Orbis Kazma Gallente Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.07.14 16:44:00 - [210] This needs re-reposting: The A-Team



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