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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:47:00 -
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Xython wrote:Aiwha wrote:So goddamn sexy.
The nerdiest of internet spaceship nerds are already plotting drone based fleet concepts.
****'s gonna be so awesome. I somehow doubt that, as T2 sentries will go from what, 550 DPS to around 650? That's still far outpaced by guns.
A Gila with the new mods can go as far as 710+ dps with an ok tank. That's almost comparable to a tengu dps, with the exception of not needing any missile charges. Don't know tbh, but the bonuses are somewhat OP as far as i know. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3920
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:28:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:Zenos Ebeth wrote:If they really become OP just put a smartbomb in your utility high instead of a neut/nos (especially with cap batteries buff) Does not do jack diddly against sentries. but that wasn't the point anyway... I don't think the current 15% boost from this module will stand up long term balance-wise. S
Compared to the ~21% DPS boost a T2 turret damage mod gives, you mean?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3920
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:31:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Xython wrote:Aiwha wrote:So goddamn sexy.
The nerdiest of internet spaceship nerds are already plotting drone based fleet concepts.
****'s gonna be so awesome. I somehow doubt that, as T2 sentries will go from what, 550 DPS to around 650? That's still far outpaced by guns. A Gila with the new mods can go as far as 710+ dps with an ok tank. That's almost comparable to a tengu dps, with the exception of not needing any missile charges. Don't know tbh, but the bonuses are somewhat OP as far as i know.
What's the tank like on that 700 DPS Gila?
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
302
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:19:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Xython wrote:Aiwha wrote:So goddamn sexy.
The nerdiest of internet spaceship nerds are already plotting drone based fleet concepts.
****'s gonna be so awesome. I somehow doubt that, as T2 sentries will go from what, 550 DPS to around 650? That's still far outpaced by guns. A Gila with the new mods can go as far as 710+ dps with an ok tank. That's almost comparable to a tengu dps, with the exception of not needing any missile charges. Don't know tbh, but the bonuses are somewhat OP as far as i know.
710 DPS with drones only? I doubt it.. |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
91
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:21:00 -
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I had a domi shooting me with curators from 80km away, 300-600 volleys with 40% em resistance, pretty nasty tbh.
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:23:00 -
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I think it's more likely that the bonus just brought them in line, and now everybody is going wtf. Drones have always been terrible, and I doubt that Gila would stand up to a Tengu with 710 DPS which will have a much more admirable tank I think. Probably faster too, though I'm not super familiar with the Gila.
Ishtars are pretty much paper tanks, so aside from BS ships fieldng drones I don't see more than a few ships getting more than minor buffs from these. Pretty much like any other non-gankfit fielding damage buffs in the lows; only the shield tanks can really get away with it, and they don't benefit much as they lose tank anyway.
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Mariner6
EVE University
Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:20:00 -
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These mods definitely favor the shield boats or shield set ups for what normally should be an armor tanked boat. (I'm only talking about for use for PVP, don't care much about PVE.) The Mrym frankly is left behind if you want to try and capitalize on both its armor bonus and drones bonus and use one of these DDA. Better off still guns and tank in many set ups vice expending the CPU on the DDA. The Gila/rattlesnake look like they get the most benefit and perhaps other boats like some of the Winmatar ships, but I haven't tried it on those yet.
As a fairly heavy user of the Myrm I've found the DDA disappointing. If I shield tank the Mrym, I still get vastly superior performance just focusing on the maximizing the guns. If armor tanked, then I find the CPU requirements of the DDA prohibitive for the damage increase and the corresponding sacrifice for other mids. Just not worth it.
I have not tried it on the Ishtar yet.
Certainly can't fit it well on an Ishkur which is sad.
Ok on the domi but I can get far more performance out of a blaster shield tanked domi focusing on the guns vice the drone damage.
Overall I still think the regular T1 drone boats are still left behind in the dust, and certainly the "Drone Masters" didn't really get the big benefit out of this buff.
Either way, certainly not overpowered considering all the other drawbacks to drone boats. (slow {the heavies especially}, destructible, cost, some racial drones just suck and thus limit damage type selection, can't be overheated which is a huge difference, sentry's....don't get me started, the majority of the EWAR and even these new light web drones suck.
Perhaps if the drone damage modifier on drone boats also boosted specialty drones like rep,EWAR, web etc it might be worth it.
I guess for afk mission runners in a domi this DDA is probably nice? |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
33
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:27:00 -
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Shield tanking Ndomi is pretty OP for missions now. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
97
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:34:00 -
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I'm rather unimpressed with the module, to be honest.
Gallente are supposedly "drone masters", yet most of their hulls are armor tanked, and the module position conflicts with the tank. Which makes sense - trade tank for gank. However, other races' ships that can either be shield or armor tanked, can go full tank and full gank. So much for "drone masters". And many hulls can't really fit it. Ishkur is one example. At least with my skills, very hard to squeeze it in there.
On boats like Dominix, where only roughly half of the damage comes from drones and the remainder from turrets, this module creates a pretty awkward split weapons system. Remember how nobody liked the Merlin because it had split weapon system? Two turrets, two launchers? Well, Domi is the same, only instead of turrets/missiles you get turrets/drones. Typhoon gets incredibly awkward as well - turrets, missiles AND drones! Three weapons system, in one hull, each with its own damage module.
I admit that with the upcoming ship rebalance, which with luck might reach battleships by the end of the year or early next year, some ships might change. But for now, this module is iffy at best. Rattlesnakes love it, since aside from drones all they have is 4 unbonused launchers. But other boats can really take it or leave it.
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:37:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:710 DPS with drones only? I doubt it..
711 dps (all 5), flat (same as ingame) profile 5x Garde II, (39 + 12 km, 0.0468 tracking), no implants.
[Gila, PvE - Assist]
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Gist C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Garde II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5 |
Jack Skyland
Estel Arador Corp Services
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:42:00 -
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I think they need a buff if anything, i joined this game with the intention of using them, then found out that i wasted my skills once i figured out what dps is and then... everything else just.. works better... |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
762
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:43:00 -
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I'll stop trying to armor tank anything anymore, it's just not worth it anymore until CCP balances armor setbacks and stops favouring shield.
Even the Myrm tanks better with the new shield boosters, while using less slots and having significantly more dps and mobility.
Split weapon system is certainly not a problem, it's a definite strength. Blasters for close range, drones for any range just increases flexibility.
Drone boats should receive bonuses to all drone effects, makes no sense that other ships get same benefits from webber drones, but don't lose half of their dps.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:04:00 -
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Jack Skyland wrote:I think they need a buff if anything, i joined this game with the intention of using them, then found out that i wasted my skills once i figured out what dps is and then... everything else just.. works better...
with those stats, sentry droneboats are already on par with other ships, with the addition of them being free (not requiring any bullets/charges). buff them and they'll be truly OP. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3929
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:09:00 -
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Roime wrote:I'll stop trying to armor tank anything anymore, it's just not worth it anymore until CCP balances armor setbacks and stops favouring shield.
These new low slot warp scrams, webbers, cap boosters, EW mods are awesome!
And then I woke up from the wonderful dream
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Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
Imperial Ascension
382
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:12:00 -
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The bump would bring it more into line with the other weapon upgrades, which offer both a damage bonus and rate of fire. Take a Ballistic Control I - 7.5% ROF and 7% damage. If you multiply them together 1.075 * 1.07 you get 1.15, approx 15%. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
763
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:20:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Roime wrote:I'll stop trying to armor tank anything anymore, it's just not worth it anymore until CCP balances armor setbacks and stops favouring shield.
These new low slot warp scrams, webbers, cap boosters, EW mods are awesome! And then I woke up from the wonderful dream
I hear you, but check this out:
[Myrmidon, Myrmidon Shieldferno]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Valkyrie SW-600 x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
560 reps, 684dps
Right, 4-slot+rigs tank that is better than the standard 7-slot+rigs dual rep tank. Yes, you miss the dual webs, but you also go 1217m/s and have a flight of medium web drones that allow you to catch a nanocane and scram it.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
98
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:22:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:with those stats, sentry droneboats are already on par with other ships, with the addition of them being free (not requiring any bullets/charges). buff them and they'll be truly OP.
I would argue that drone damage being "free" of ammo is a FLAW rather than a bonus.
I personally would prefer it if I could put Scorch crystals into Amarr T2 drones. I would strongly prefer that to ammo-free drones.
I would also much prefer being able to change an Ogre's blasters to rails, so that they would orbit the target outside of smartbomb range, but with a loss of DPS.
I would love to be able to load drones with faction ammo, to boost DPS.
I would love to be able to overheat drones, for a damage boost.
And seriously, what is the income percentage you spent on ammo anyway? Not to mention that a loss of one or more drones every now and then MORE than offsets the cost of ammo. This is a non-issue.
Drone boats are still very, very, VERY far from OP. When I start seeing as many drone boats as Tengus and Drakes, maybe then we can talk nerfs. Until then, CCP should keep on buffing drones and drone boats any way they can think of. Incidentally, if drones are so great, when was the last time you saw a droneboat Proteus in common usage? I rest my case. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1521
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Posted - 2012.05.23 17:24:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:with those stats, sentry droneboats are already on par with other ships, with the addition of them being free (not requiring any bullets/charges). buff them and they'll be truly OP. I would argue that drone damage being "free" of ammo is a FLAW rather than a bonus. I personally would prefer it if I could put Scorch crystals into Amarr T2 drones. I would strongly prefer that to ammo-free drones. I would also much prefer being able to change an Ogre's blasters to rails, so that they would orbit the target outside of smartbomb range, but with a loss of DPS. I want Berserkers with artillery, so they can alpha people. I would love to be able to load drones with faction ammo, to boost DPS. I would love to be able to overheat drones, for a damage boost. And seriously, what is the income percentage you spent on ammo anyway? Not to mention that a loss of one or more drones every now and then MORE than offsets the cost of ammo. This is a non-issue. Drone boats are still very, very, VERY far from OP. When I start seeing as many drone boats as Tengus and Drakes, maybe then we can talk nerfs. Until then, CCP should keep on buffing drones and drone boats any way they can think of. Incidentally, if drones are so great, when was the last time you saw a droneboat Proteus in common usage? I rest my case. P.S. And for the love of god don't bring up capital ships into this discussion or I will scream.
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