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Lijhal Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:45:00 - [1] or maybe another tier2/3 bs ? what about another recon based on a new shipmodel ? or do we have enough tech1 & 2 ships in eve ? please discuss!
Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:45:00 - [2] MOAR SHIPS My sig was fail, but now it isn't. Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 GO NAVIGATOR <3
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:48:00 - [3] I want a T2 Hurricane. :c
5pinDizzy Amarr SMS Fleet Services	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:51:00 - [4] You've got new hacs ingame, they're called tech 3 cruisers. How about a new type of ship that magically doesn't overflood the already overlapping diluted types in it's class? Yeaah let's haev a tech 3 battleship! Moar DEEPS!
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:52:00 - [5] Originally by: 5pinDizzy You've got new hacs ingame, they're called tech 3 cruisers. How about a new type of ship that magically doesn't overflood the already overlapping diluted types in it's class? Yeaah let's haev a tech 3 battleship! Moar DEEPS! we zeed moar battleshipz! ________________________________________________ Am I an alt, main, or both? You decide!
Nikita Alterana Gallente Clearly Compensating	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:54:00 - [6] MOAR __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions!
buttesauce	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:57:00 - [7] MOAR FRIGATES MOAR CRUISERS MOAR DESTROYERS MOAR BSES MOAR CARRIERS MOAR DREADS MOAR TITANS MOAR EXHUMERS MOAR HAULERS MORE FREIGHTERS MORE SHIPS!!!!
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.07.16 20:49:00 - [8] MOAR EVERYTHING !!! -------- Ideas for: Mining
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.07.16 20:53:00 - [9] Abrazzar, you just made me so happy today with that post. But you owe me a new monitor and keyboard and mouse and vibr-and mic. ________________________________________________ Am I an alt, main, or both? You decide!
Jack Gilligan Caldari Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.07.16 20:54:00 - [10] I definitely want to see a T2 tier 3 battleship. And no more of this "pre nerf" crap, it needs to be a fleet PVP ship. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance.

Haakelen Gallente Nation of Muppets	Posted - 2009.07.16 20:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Jack Gilligan I definitely want to see a T2 tier 3 battleship. And no more of this "pre nerf" crap, it needs to be a fleet PVP ship. **** fleet PvP, there's no reason to use a fancy ship for such things given you'll be alphastriked or lose it to lag anyway. I ilke all the Battleship-sized Command Ship ideas much more. Seems like a ship people would actually use.
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Abrazzar MOAR EVERYTHING !!! i squirted coffee all over my monitor.
VaderDSL Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:05:00 - [13] If anything I'd like the field command ships changed to the Tier 2 battlecruiser hull. Ferox > Vulture Drake > Nighthawk Cyclone > Claymore Hurricane > Sleipnir Prophecy > Damnation Harbinger > Absolution Brutix > Astarte Myrmidon > Eos The Gallente would probably be the only oddity as the Tier 1 BC hull would be the Field Command CS whereas all the other race tier 1 hulls would be the fleet cs.
Sakura Nihil Selective Pressure	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:06:00 - [14] T2 hulls based on the Harbinger, Drake, 'Cane, and Myrmidon please. New brand of CBC hulls, mebbe? Dunno, but yes, do want. Either that, or faction versions. Selective Pressure is recruiting.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:16:00 - [15] How about we make the HACs we already have worth-while…? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:51:00 - [16] Originally by: VaderDSL Harbinger > Absolution Do not **** with my absol its bad enough that the damantion looks more awesome than the absol but to make it look like a harbi, i would have to pod you until you're back at the newbie clone level of SP -_-
Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:52:00 - [17] Im a SP-Carebear. I dont like t3 ;) MOAARRR T2&T1
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Tippia How about we make the HACs we already have worth-whileà? No, that requires effort, making random new ones with crappy bonuses is far, far easier. I also support fixing the current ones.
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.07.16 22:52:00 - [19] I'm all for more ships, if they can be properly supported. Unfortunately, the time between fixes / tweaks / balancing has only been increasing with the introduction of new ships. Being realistic is admitting we have too many ships already. The people who think otherwise are probably ignoring the fact that ships are tools, and not toys. You can't just release something and wash your hands of it, because that something heavily impacts how players interact with one another.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.16 23:06:00 - [20] The ships I'd most like to see are T2 tier-2 BCs. They could either be a new ship, or a re-branding of the existing combat-model command ship. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!

Jaitee Tecknotic	Posted - 2009.07.16 23:11:00 - [21] If CCP wants to increase subscriber base they will need to introduce things faster. New ships, yes please. Seeing only 25000 is kinda depressing after reaching 50000. Especially when 50% are Plex passers. 6+ months between releases is too long. Scrum is much more capable than that :)
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.07.16 23:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Jaitee If CCP wants to increase subscriber base they will need to introduce things faster. New ships, yes please. For what purpose? What roles will they fill? Quote: Scrum is much more capable than that :) Scrum also includes figuring out what you need — if you can't figure out anything that's needed, then nothing new will come out. Nor should it, regardless of your methodology. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Seishi Maru Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.07.16 23:28:00 - [23] I want a t3 dreadnaught that can warp cloaked!
TRD 2371	Posted - 2009.07.16 23:34:00 - [24] Originally by: DigitalCommunist I'm all for more ships, if they can be properly supported. Unfortunately, the time between fixes / tweaks / balancing has only been increasing with the introduction of new ships. Being realistic is admitting we have too many ships already. The people who think otherwise are probably ignoring the fact that ships are tools, and not toys. You can't just release something and wash your hands of it, because that something heavily impacts how players interact with one another. hear the professor
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.16 23:41:00 - [25] Moar shuttles!!!! And did you know that this is in fact Surfin's Plunderbunny's forum alt? It's official!
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.07.17 02:47:00 - [26] Moar capsules!
Lidirt Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.07.17 03:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Jack Airron Originally by: Abrazzar MOAR EVERYTHING !!! i squirted coffee all over my monitor. Diet coke here, but same. 10/10.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.07.17 03:04:00 - [28] As long as its not a t2 tier-2 BC - I don't trust CCP to make a worthwhile drone BC at this point ._. ----
No Homo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.17 03:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Seishi Maru I want a t3 dreadnaught that can warp cloaked! I like where you're going with this
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.07.17 06:02:00 - [30] Originally by: VaderDSL If anything I'd like the field command ships changed to the Tier 2 battlecruiser hull. Ferox > Vulture Drake > Nighthawk Cyclone > Claymore Hurricane > Sleipnir Prophecy > Damnation Harbinger > Absolution Brutix > Astarte Myrmidon > Eos The Gallente would probably be the only oddity as the Tier 1 BC hull would be the Field Command CS whereas all the other race tier 1 hulls would be the fleet cs. Fuck you, my nighthawk is sexy

128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2009.07.17 06:03:00 - [31] Originally by: 5pinDizzy You've got new hacs ingame, they're called tech 3 cruisers. How about a new type of ship that magically doesn't overflood the already overlapping diluted types in it's class? Yeaah let's haev a tech 3 battleship! Moar DEEPS! How about something actually affordable, that more than 5% of eve can fly without being bankrupted when it pops? ps. I can afford it, however the ammount of isk dumped into a ship like that really isnt in proportion. I am all for more ships. Tier 3 Battlecruiser or T2 tier 2 battlecruiser (t2 myrm, drake, etc). Maybe more recons or even tier 4 battleship?
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2009.07.17 06:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Tippia How about we make the HACs we already have worth-whileà? No, that requires effort, making random new ones with crappy bonuses is far, far easier. I also support fixing the current ones. Actually support this too, since the speednerf alot of hacs/recons are simply too vulnerable and very expensive to replace. Curse going for 120 mil etc..
Clementina Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.17 06:12:00 - [33] I think the ships that are needed at the present time are Tech 3 Destroyers and 'Black Ops' Carriers. The tech 3 destroyers could do things like give the Gallente a drone destroyer or the Caldari a missile destroyer or the Amarr a destroyer that can actually tackle should the pilot so choose. It could also have a warfare link defensive subsystem so that people can carry gang links with their frigate gangs. It should be tech 3 because something tech 2 would step on the toes of the assault frigate. Black Ops Carriers are needed to project capital ships into areas of space with cynojammed systems. I would balance with same gang bonuses, logistics stuff, and cargo/ship bay area as traditional carriers, less drones, and bonus to cloak recalibration time, and maybe bonuses to Electronic Warfare modules. Also there should be dive bomber fighters, which fire citadel torpedoes A dive bomber fighter would carry a few such torpedoes, fly to the target, fire them, then when it runs out come back, dock, grab more, then leave to attack again. A fighter should use the correct flavor citadel torpedoes; that is the Amarr fighter uses the blue ones, the Gallente uses the red ones, the Caldari fighter the uses black ones, and the Minmatar fighter uses the yellow ones.
Esamir	Posted - 2009.07.17 07:45:00 - [34] There must never be a T2 Drake. Ever.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.07.17 08:17:00 - [35] How about giving amarr our damn frigate My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Wai Ng'Tse	Posted - 2009.07.17 08:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Clementina Also there should be dive bomber fighters, which fire citadel torpedoes A dive bomber fighter would carry a few such torpedoes, fly to the target, fire them, then when it runs out come back, dock, grab more, then leave to attack again. A fighter should use the correct flavor citadel torpedoes; that is the Amarr fighter uses the blue ones, the Gallente uses the red ones, the Caldari fighter the uses black ones, and the Minmatar fighter uses the yellow ones. Thats basically just bombers.
Wai Ng'Tse	Posted - 2009.07.17 08:43:00 - [37] Originally by: Sheriff Jones How about giving amarr our damn frigate I hope yous not trolling
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.07.17 08:49:00 - [38] Originally by: Wai Ng'Tse Originally by: Sheriff Jones How about giving amarr our damn frigate I hope yous not trolling I owned myself... Honestly missed that at some point. When did that happen? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Drilla Shinra	Posted - 2009.07.17 08:53:00 - [39] What is really needed is a tier-3 Battlecruiser that is a step up form tier1 and 2 but not Battleship dps/durability. .
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.17 09:09:00 - [40] Tier 2 destroyers :) Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

HiSecPirate	Posted - 2009.07.17 09:12:00 - [41] i would like to see a tech 2 rokh....... NOM NOM NOM
SHADOW0240 Caldari In Theory.	Posted - 2009.07.17 09:14:00 - [42] Originally by: HiSecPirate i would like to see a tech 2 rokh....... NOM NOM NOM that would be SEXAH!
Ze4K DK Gallente Nova-Tek Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.07.17 10:12:00 - [43] T2 Pirate faction ships... should make the mission crew happy
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.07.17 10:31:00 - [44] Originally by: De Guantanamo Originally by: VaderDSL If anything I'd like the field command ships changed to the Tier 2 battlecruiser hull. Ferox > Vulture Drake > Nighthawk Cyclone > Claymore Hurricane > Sleipnir Prophecy > Damnation Harbinger > Absolution Brutix > Astarte Myrmidon > Eos The Gallente would probably be the only oddity as the Tier 1 BC hull would be the Field Command CS whereas all the other race tier 1 hulls would be the fleet cs. Fuck you, my nighthawk is sexy I see what you did there. -murder one [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2
VanNostrum The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.17 10:39:00 - [45] There should be a T2 equivalent of all T1 frig and cruise hulls in AF/HAC line imo. There are what, 6 T1 frigs per race? And only 2 AFs? (which already share same hull) Same for HACs. I'd love to see some more variety. Some races are poor in AF/HAC division and we need more than a couple cookiecutter setups.
Ze4K DK Gallente Nova-Tek Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.07.17 10:42:00 - [46] Originally by: murder one Originally by: De Guantanamo Originally by: VaderDSL If anything I'd like the field command ships changed to the Tier 2 battlecruiser hull. Ferox > Vulture Drake > Nighthawk Cyclone > Claymore Hurricane > Sleipnir Prophecy > Damnation Harbinger > Absolution Brutix > Astarte Myrmidon > Eos The Gallente would probably be the only oddity as the Tier 1 BC hull would be the Field Command CS whereas all the other race tier 1 hulls would be the fleet cs. Fuck you, my nighthawk is sexy I see what you did there. HAX!!!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.17 10:43:00 - [47] Faction battlecruisers = DO WANT
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.17 10:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Wai Ng'Tse Originally by: Sheriff Jones How about giving amarr our damn frigate I hope yous not trolling I owned myself... Honestly missed that at some point. When did that happen? sometime around the start of the year IIRC.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.07.17 11:54:00 - [49] Originally by: VanNostrum There should be a T2 equivalent of all T1 frig and cruise hulls in AF/HAC line imo. There are what, 6 T1 frigs per race? And only 2 AFs? (which already share same hull) Same for HACs. I'd love to see some more variety. Some races are poor in AF/HAC division and we need more than a couple cookiecutter setups. It's very simple: Tier 1 frig → Interceptor(s) Tier 2 frig → Stealth Bomber Tier 3 frig → Assault Ship(s) EWar frig → Elecronic Attack Ship Astrometrics frig → CovOps Mining frig → N/A Tier 1 cruiser → Heavy Assault Ship Tier 2 cruiser → Heavy Assault Ship, Heavy Interdictor EWar cruiser → Recon(s) Support cruiser → Logistics Tier 1 battlecruiser → Command Ship(s) Tier 2 battlecruiser → N/A Tier 1 battleship → BlackOps Tier 2 battleship → Marauder Tier 3 battleship → N/A [Lowest] Tier industrial → Blockade Runner [Top] Tier industrial → Deep Space Transport …well, roughly. It gets complicated with the industrials since they don't have the same spread of ships for any two races. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2009.07.17 12:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Seishi Maru I want a t3 dreadnaught that can warp cloaked! So you can...sneak up on POS ?

Wai Ng'Tse	Posted - 2009.07.17 12:34:00 - [51] TBQFH, more hacs would be nice. They are by far the best value t2 ship. All the hacs are around the 100m mark... which is enough to make it a good investment in PVP. You don't see very many field commandships in PVP anymore, since their price is wayyyy too high (Absolution and Nighthawks especially) at about 200m/unit. Would you rather have 2 zealots or 1 abso? Hard choice... Hacs are the preference of most gangs, they are cheap enough to risk them in battle, and pack a decent punch. If CCP added more (Field Commands), then their prices would be so high that after the novelty had worn off, they would just not be viable in every-day pvp. Just my own opinion. I just think HACs are better to have more of than Cs, even IF there's a tech 1 variant unused.
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:13:00 - [52] I want a blood raider dominix with bonuses to nos/neut and webs.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:28:00 - [53] I want a HAC with 50% shielding on it's capacitor.
Chantilly Layce	Posted - 2009.07.17 15:01:00 - [54] I'd like to see a torp launching Heavy Bomber, likely on a cruiser hull. Dictor, Heavy Dictor. Cruiser, HAC. The precendent for ship evolution is there.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.07.17 15:12:00 - [55] I want a frigate sized ship that fires dreadnoughts, has 99.999% resists, doesn't need ammo and can only be flown by me. It will warp to 0 always, instant warp across systems, no 20seconds in the warp tunnel. It goes faster than the fastest overheated faction ship with a T1 Afterburner on and is immune to webs. Has a 1000 sized drone bay and 375mbit bandwidth, all drones do heavy sized damage, but track and move like warrior 2s. gimme gimme gimme Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here i was thinking earlier about corpses...
Da'iel Zehn Ion Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.07.17 17:28:00 - [56] I just want all the bugs fixed myself. And I'd like more player generated content other than Outposts and POS. -- DZ's website Got a problem? Talk to my gun.
Ivana Drake Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.	Posted - 2009.07.17 17:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Esamir There must never be a T2 Drake. Ever. Over my dead body
Armoured C Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.17 18:06:00 - [58] MORE DOTS
Pyro Ose	Posted - 2009.07.17 18:20:00 - [59] Can we make the Muninn not a pile of steaming crap please? I mean the Rupy is like the best ship in Eve (talking cost for awesome here), but the Muninn isn't better, and the Hurricane pretty much is better.
Retsil Evad Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.07.18 08:33:00 - [60] Edited by: Retsil Evad on 18/07/2009 08:33:26 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Wai Ng'Tse Originally by: Sheriff Jones How about giving amarr our damn frigate I hope yous not trolling I owned myself... Honestly missed that at some point. When did that happen? Try June, 2008 in the Empyrean Age expansion release. http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Empyrean_Age_patch_notes#Ships ============== Office use ONLY ============== BRING BACK EVE TV!!!!!!!



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