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GaoLingFan
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Posted - 2009.07.17 11:44:00 -
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I am a caldari and have been playing just about over a year now, and so far i have seen nothing good in caldari pvp. every person i have taked to about caldari ships in pvp have just said one thing, FAIL, so really what are the advantages about caldari ships in pvp, i mean we get ECM and that's about it our dps is just to bad
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Wegu
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Posted - 2009.07.17 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Wegu on 17/07/2009 12:16:23
Edited by: Wegu on 17/07/2009 12:15:06
So far i found out that there is quite a big role for Caldari in PvP: Bait. 
On a more serious side: a Basilisk is a good support Ship for Example, though get used to being primaried. The 'ceptors also aren't THAT bad.
But on the bright side: you can still crosstrain to another race, and use their ships.
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Intigo
Amarr
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.17 12:21:00 -
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This thread pops up every goddamn week.
Just realize this: You're wrong. Drakes, Cerbs, Ravens, Rokhs, etc. Check fits of people who are not terrible and narrowminded like yourself and you may find out how good they are.
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Captain Darvok
Amarr
dearg doom
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Posted - 2009.07.17 12:21:00 -
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 Originally by: GaoLingFan
i mean we get ECM and that's about it our dps is just to bad
I would like the other races to have an uber Ewar that the caldari have. As a FC I will say, bring Ewar + DPS. Your role is the Ewar
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.17 12:29:00 -
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The only thing where caldari are lacking is in RR BS gangs, simpy because they dont armor tank. Allthough with armor tanked scorp (or raven even) you can still do something usefull, just make sure everyone has you on watch list since you are going to be primary.
But in general caldari are best after amarr.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.07.18 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: GaoLingFan
I am a caldari and have been playing just about over a year now, and so far i have seen nothing good in caldari pvp. every person i have taked to about caldari ships in pvp have just said one thing, FAIL
You should probably stop speaking to idiots.
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Xorth Adimus
Caldari
The Perfect Storm
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:20:00 -
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There are a number of extreamly good caldari PVP ships
Flycatcher - survivable and flexable interdictor with lots of mids great sensors and CPU and won't break the bank like the sabre which is good because you will be primaried and lose allot of interdictors!
Crow - fast lock and hits well at full speed with lots of mid slots for tackling options arguably one of the best interceptors in the game.
Caracel - fast locking ship that kills support nicely especially nice vs light support with assault launchers lots of mid slots for buffer and tackle.
Kestral - with good skills this is a great cheap and expendable anti support ship.
Harpy - pretty hardy cheap tackler.
Moa - great heavy buffered bait/tackler (with blasters).
Harpy/Eagle - great ships for killing light support in in a fleet.
Raptor - cheap and fast locking ranged pointer.
Manticore - great stealth bomber with lots of mids cpu and sensor strength.
Cerberous - sublime highly flexable support hac.
Basilisk - great logistics ship in a group, if a little too specialised / slow and easy to kill in comparison with other logistics ships.
Onyx - arguably the best hic in terms of hardiness and flexability.
Drake/ferox - if you fit it right for damage tackle and buffer the best bait/ heavy tackler, very flexable ranged or point blank anti support ships.
Rokh - Massive range and very hardy.
Raven - great RR and dps ship unfortunatly be ready to be primaried due to lack of buffer/ not being able to armour tank.
Rook - great EW ship, always primaried for good reason!
Blackbird - The best t1 fleet cruiser in the game? Always primaried for good reason
Obviously without much bs RR shield support in most cases you may have trouble in large BS fleets, in medium /small sized fleets you won't have any problem using sheilds. Being pretty hardy and good at range naturally you should play to your strengths in a fleet. Missiles are flexable ranged weapon that can hit most targets at any range especially if they are tackled (ie be in a fleet!). Caldari also have the best sensors of any ship in your class which is often an overlooked bonus. Caldari are great ships because people always seem to underestimate them due to the horrendous fitting most people seem use on them for PVP (PVP is not PVE!) or because they are primarily seen (wrongly) as not being a threat!  |
steveid
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.07.18 22:26:00 -
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the only thing caldari dont do great at is solo pvp. Gang pvp it is the best race. That said there are plenty of ships that do well for solo roaming. Dont believe everything you hear.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari
More-Cowbell
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Posted - 2009.07.19 16:22:00 -
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Caldari has some nice solo ships (like assault caracal or harpy), but if u wanna go solo nothing beats matari. But in general underestimating properly fit and flown caldari ship is deadly mistake.
Number of bad or pve setups on net just refers to the problem that caldari is usualy pick of the noobs.
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ASCHAYA
Gallente
Project Kiev
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Posted - 2009.07.20 11:26:00 -
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Cerberus, Drake, Falcon, Rook, Manticore and mayby a Crow for fast tackling. And thats about it for caldari. rest isnt as good as the other races in anyway. Cross train amarr stuffs and you are settled for some fun in both pve/pvp
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TorrusTron
Caldari
Taiidan Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.20 12:16:00 -
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most simply go with the flow, lots of people say caldari are crappy for pvp, and so lots more people will just say that for the sake of fitting in.
try it for yourself. you may find that caldari ships dont suit your playing style, but to simply dismiss an entire race of ships is foolish
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The Wicked1
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Posted - 2009.07.20 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: GaoLingFan
I am a caldari and have been playing just about over a year now, and so far i have seen nothing good in caldari pvp. every person i have taked to about caldari ships in pvp have just said one thing, FAIL, so really what are the advantages about caldari ships in pvp, i mean we get ECM and that's about it our dps is just to bad
I'm guessing; a Troll or a FOTM player. Take your pick. Not sure which is worse
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:17:00 -
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ECM nerf ... check
Missle nerf ... check
Sheild nerf ... only when it comes to remote reppin
Caldari are great for Fleets... they suck more than Jenna Jameson at solo
Pick Three:
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
ECM nerf ... check
Missle boost... check
Sheild nerf ... only when it comes to remote reppin
Sun Clausewitz incompetence... check.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
ECM nerf ... check
Missle boost... check
Sheild nerf ... only when it comes to remote reppin
Sun Clausewitz incompetence... check.
Don't mind Gypsio III, he is an alt of the Dev who totally screwed up missiles and now tries to muzzle anyone who complains about the incompetent missile "balancing".
@OP: You can't expect justice for Caldari, since there are some Caldari hating Devs in power now; they seem to be rather new with CCP, probably came from the community, and then destroyed the balanced of turrets and missiles - and keep on nerfing anything that is Caldari.
They first made torps have a short range and then made them only good against BS with no speedmods (in fact even some BS that are simply moving without any speed mod, don't get full damage from torps). They screwed up pretty all missiles except heavy missiles, since there are few non-Caldari ships that support heavy missiles. Have a look on cruise missiles - how popular they once were and how ridiculous they now are.
They broke the most useful Caldari ship, the Falcon and they continue with this: look at the new militia implants, they are all against ECM - which is dominated by Caldari ships. There are no implants that nerf the other races EW ships, it's only against Caldari.
The Achura was an excellent advantage for Caldari - they nullified it by making everyone equal. Medium drones are the only ones Caldari BS can use - they made them worse.
As long as this Caldari haters are in office, you can expect Caldari being nerfed with every future update in one or the other way. I hope some senior Devs will move them to a department where they can work on the design of Velspar, instead having them in a position where they constantly break Caldari ships and weapons.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:06:00 -
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Silence, unbeliever, before I unleash the devhax0ring RMT investigator minions in your direction!
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Intigo
Amarr
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Intigo on 20/07/2009 16:13:25
Sun Clausewitz is an idiot and so is the guy above Gypsio.
Get a grip you imbeciles, Caldari is fine. You can't blame the race for you being bad at the game.
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Commander Yassir
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:19:00 -
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I have to say you are wrong. I say this because nothing packs a punch like a Gank Raven, A scorp is the most evil 1v1 BS in game. The Rokh is an excellent blaster boat and an amazing sniper. The Drake is one of the best BC's in the game if fit correctly. The Harpy can hold its own against any other AF's. The Falcon is still the bane of all small gang encounters. Nothing tanks like an Onyx.
I don't see what you have to complain about.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.07.21 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
They first made torps have a short range and then made them only good against BS with no speedmods (in fact even some BS that are simply moving without any speed mod, don't get full damage from torps).
And thank you for once again confirming why you are one of the worst (and most clueless) posters on the entire forum.
The torp changes were a massive boost, transforming torps from a PvE-only joke of a weapon to an incredibly powerful PvP weapon. Sure, they lost range, but the huge damage increase more than made up for it. The only people who cried about it were the AFK mission farmers, everyone else was happy to see that change.
PS: torps do full damage to battleships, MWD or no MWD, and extremely high damage to BCs. Try training your skills beyond level I and fitting a couple painters? Or you could continue to fail at PvP.
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They screwed up pretty all missiles except heavy missiles, since there are few non-Caldari ships that support heavy missiles.
Ever hear of HAMs? Last time I checked, they were still second only to pulse lasers in PvP.
The only place where missiles have problems is at the frigate level, but this is hardly a new problem.
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Have a look on cruise missiles - how popular they once were and how ridiculous they now are.
Cruise missiles were never popular in PvP.
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They broke the most useful Caldari ship, the Falcon and they continue with this: look at the new militia implants, they are all against ECM - which is dominated by Caldari ships. There are no implants that nerf the other races EW ships, it's only against Caldari.
The Falcon is still an extremely powerful ship. Learn to use it instead of blaming CCP because you suck?
PS: those implants are useless, and the second-weakest set. Only the laughably useless Talisman set is worse.
PPS: Halo implants counter target painters, so you're wrong on that point as well. And the reason you don't see anti-TD or anti-damp implants is because any tracking/optimal boost sufficient to counter a TD would be insanely overpowered when NOT tracking disrupted, and a lock range/scan resolution set would too weak to ever be used.
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The Achura was an excellent advantage for Caldari - they nullified it by making everyone equal.
Only if you're a roleplayer who refuses to fly anything of a different race. For everyone else, the "advantage" was a tiny bit of Caldari-related SP at character creation that had essentially zero impact later on. Everyone just made Achura characters and then trained whichever race they were actually going to use (including Caldari).
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Medium drones are the only ones Caldari BS can use - they made them worse.
This was in no way a Caldari nerf, and impacted the other races MUCH more. Only Caldari battleships can use medium drones, while the other three races use them heavily at the cruiser/BC level as well. And even the Caldari battleships are not at all drone focused, so the net decrease in their effectiveness was essentially zero.
TL,DR: learn to PvP and stop blaming CCP for your failure.
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splockster
Caldari
SUBLIME L.L.C.
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Posted - 2009.07.22 06:57:00 -
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blah blah blah,The way to fail at caldari pvp is to give up after you get popped a couple of times and go to another race instead of training your **** to lvl 5, invest the time and you`ll find caldari ships well able for pvp with a good fit.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
And thank you for once again confirming why you are one of the worst (and most clueless) posters on the entire forum.
At least i can post, which you can't do with your main, Merin Ryskin. Guess who is responsible for that 
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The torp changes were a massive boost .. blah.. The only people who cried about it were the AFK mission farmers, everyone else was happy to see that change.
PS: torps do full damage to battleships, MWD or no MWD, and extremely high damage to BCs.
You obviously have no clue. Torps were NEVER used by AFK missionrunners, since there are no FOF torps. And no, they don't do full damage even with the maximum skills, without spending lots of precious med-slots for targetpainters. A quick comparison of explosion radius & explosion velocity with the sig radius and velocity of most ships makes it clear, but of course this is already to complicated for you and apparently exceeds your intelligence.
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... usual Ryskin prattle...
Not going to read the rest of your boring and incompetent post, i think i better spend the time for checking your last 10 posts for forum rule violations.  |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.07.24 07:27:00 -
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Er Yakia, this is a thread about PVP, what are you doing posting here? |
Intigo
Amarr
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 07:49:00 -
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You are a blabbering fool, Yakia. |
yani dumyat
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.07.24 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
i think i better spend the time for checking your last 10 posts for forum rule violations.
Were you bullied at school? You are clearly taking pleasure in getting Merin banned and i'll bet you did it because you could, not because you were offended. You are a very sad man.
Note to moderators - yes that was a personal attack and you can check my posting history to see that i don't make a habit of it. It was aimed at someone who is using (abusing?) forum rules to lord it over another player despite the tone of his posts suggesting that he is not easily offended.
Back on topic....I fully support Sun Clausewitz's campaign to buff caldari, please can we have 325% more missile damage, an extra mid slot and bring back speed tanking ravens too please 
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
And no, they don't do full damage even with the maximum skills, without spending lots of precious med-slots for targetpainters. A quick comparison of explosion radius & explosion velocity with the sig radius and velocity of most ships makes it clear, but of course this is already to complicated for you and apparently exceeds your intelligence.
And a quick comparison of a torp raven vs a blaster mega will show similar paper DPS but the mega has range issues and tracking issues that can't be solved by simply slapping a couple of painters on. Oh and did i mention damage type?
Neither of the other tier 2 BS's (apoc and tempest) can touch the raven for raw or applied DPS. |
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Posted - 2009.07.24 09:24:00 -
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To start off with - nonsense caldari have great PVP ship ( i mainly fly caldari for low sec PVP)
Good ships
Torp Raven - high damage with good tank with crystals
Ham Drake - Good solo, ok in gangs
HML Drake - Good for mid/ long range gang
Bait Ferox - Amazing managed to deagro on station with carrier + bs gang on me, Improves with crystals
AM Caracal - Great anti frig
HML Caracal - good Anti-support for gangs
Cerb - Better HML Caracal, Also Sniper gangs
Onyx - Very fun ship.... :D:D
Basilisk - Very good Paired support, great for roaming HAC gangs
Falcon - Useful in some situations
Rook - Good for Roaming gangs / solo
Blackbird - Cheap Rook
Crow - Very good tackle with no tracking issues
Manicore - Best SB for Ewar
This is just out of the ships i fly regularly, i don't have great turret skills so can't comment on those ships.
You can buffer fit all caldari PVP ships and they will work quite well, but for small gangs if you don't have logistic support Crystal Implants are Godly.
DPS isn't great yes, but we are much more a tanking race, and range can be much more useful than DPS when the blob warps into the bait and you are doing ur DPS out of point range :P
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
And thank you for once again confirming why you are one of the worst (and most clueless) posters on the entire forum.
At least i can post, which you can't do with your main, Merin Ryskin. Guess who is responsible for that
Yeah, I know you're a crybaby who has to go whine to the mods to silence anyone who disagrees with you. The fact that you're actually bragging about this pathetic behavior really shows just what kind of person you are.
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You obviously have no clue. Torps were NEVER used by AFK missionrunners, since there are no FOF torps.
Which is a pathetic nitpick. The fact that they weren't 100% AFK because you occasionally had to look up from whatever else you were doing and press the fire button on another target does not change the fact that prior to the boost, torps were only used by mission runners looking for a zero-effort ship/weapon.
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And no, they don't do full damage even with the maximum skills, without spending lots of precious med-slots for targetpainters. A quick comparison of explosion radius & explosion velocity with the sig radius and velocity of most ships makes it clear, but of course this is already to complicated for you and apparently exceeds your intelligence.
And this is why you fail at PvP.
Raven torpedo dps, 3x BCU, 2x target painter, faction torps: 948
Damage taken by Megathron: 948
Damage taken by Armageddon: 948
Damage taken by Tempest: 915
So that's a 3.5% damage reduction, even in the worst-case scenario. Yep, those torps really suck, don't they...
(Hint to the clueless: if we remove drones, this is more damage than even a 3x magstab neutron II Megathron does with zero transversal. The only reason any battleship beats the Raven's dps is because of the larger drone bay.)
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Not going to read the rest of your boring and incompetent post, i think i better spend the time for checking your last 10 posts for forum rule violations.
Translation: you know you've been beaten and that if you try to argue with anything else I've said, you'll look even more clueless than you already have, so you'll go whine and cry to the moderators and hope they get rid of me.
It's a sad comment on your lack of maturity that you would not only do that, but brag about it.
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Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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CCP Navigator
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:45:00 -
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Trolling posts removed.
Please stay on topic.
Navigator
Senior Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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