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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
125
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:33:00 -
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Currently a set of rails uses almost all if not more than all of a ships powergrid.
Even with all level 5 skills a moa with 5 250's has only 39 pg left for fitting.
With all Level 5's a Ferox with 6 250's has 180 power grid left.
A brutix can fit 7 tech 2 neutrons and a 10mn micro warpdrive with 100 powergrid left over.
Rails even have higher CPU requirements, and use nearly twice as much capacitor.
The range benefit of rails would be good if they were easier to fit, but currently they are worse than blasters in every way besides range. Please make rails have lower fitting requirements or increase railboat powergrid. |
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
126
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:34:00 -
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Medium sized Railguns are still ****.
Step up to a Rokh. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
125
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:37:00 -
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Nah Rokh isn't my kind of ship, atm I try to fly Cruisers and Battlecruisers while training for a raven. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
274
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:41:00 -
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where you went wrong was using rails
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:52:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:where you went wrong was using rails
Well at least if he doesn't have top skills related. Once it's done it's not that much of a problem exception made to some ships in need of rebalance, top skills for rails are not an option.
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Alara IonStorm
2237
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:57:00 -
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I wonder how things would be different if they gave Long Range Weapons similar grid / cpu requirements as short range weapons.
Would it imbalance things or make things more fun?
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Kasutra
Tailor Company
37
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:04:00 -
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Medium rails are meh.
Also, Moa sucks, and the Brutix and Ferox suffer from Tier 1 BC syndrome.
Will be happy when the HM Tengu stops laughing at the rail Proteus. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:07:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I wonder how things would be different if they gave Long Range Weapons similar grid / cpu requirements as short range weapons.
Would it imbalance things or make things more fun?
Probably, having more room (fittings free) for tank modules could make some ships having Active Rep Bonus actually worthy without some pathetic fit relying on cap boosters that take all your cargo space and limit your operation radius.
But this you already know it  |
Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
50
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:10:00 -
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I always found the largest caliber medium guns, especially the long range guns, better suited to battle cruisers, faction cruisers or T2 cruisers than T1 cruisers. And even in those cases they usually mean less tank or mobility or whatever than you'd like.
250 II's on a Moa? 936 / 975 PG used.
On a Vexor? 748.8 / 843.75
On a Thorax? 936 / 1025
Heavy Beam II's on an Omen? 1237.5 / 912.5
On a Maller? 1237.5 / 1125
720 II's on a Stabber? 990 / 875
On a Ruputer? 990 / 1075
Actually, it looks like rails are the easiest long range weapons to fit. Hall hybrid gunboats can fit a rack of 250's without extra PG. No laser ships can, and of the projectile ships only the Rupture can. Oh, and HML II's on a Caracal. That's it for T1, range fit cruisers. |
Dato Koppla
Perkone
Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.05.23 00:59:00 -
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Rails? Try Lazors, Tachs have such crazy requirements that only 2 ships in the game can fit em and not be ****, Oracle can fit em but only because its a sniper that needs no tank. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
128
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:08:00 -
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Updated to include all long range guns, never knew beams had such insane requirements. |
Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:39:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:Nah Rokh isn't my kind of ship, atm I try to fly Cruisers and Battlecruisers while training for a raven.
Wait, you're using rails and going to switch to a Raven. Can there be more possible failure involved there? |
Araceli Gabriela
Galactic Industries Inc.
BRABODEN
7
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:45:00 -
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Mavnas wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:Nah Rokh isn't my kind of ship, atm I try to fly Cruisers and Battlecruisers while training for a raven. Wait, you're using rails and going to switch to a Raven. Can there be more possible failure involved there?
Yes
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
67
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:48:00 -
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Scorch and Barrage is long range, null... isn't. Hybrid boats are the only ones that actually have to fit long range guns for long range... |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
128
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:49:00 -
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Araceli Gabriela wrote:Mavnas wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:Nah Rokh isn't my kind of ship, atm I try to fly Cruisers and Battlecruisers while training for a raven. Wait, you're using rails and going to switch to a Raven. Can there be more possible failure involved there? Yes
Im not using a rokh or a raven. Im training for a raven. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
67
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:54:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:Araceli Gabriela wrote:Mavnas wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:Nah Rokh isn't my kind of ship, atm I try to fly Cruisers and Battlecruisers while training for a raven. Wait, you're using rails and going to switch to a Raven. Can there be more possible failure involved there? Yes Im not using a rokh or a raven. Im training for a raven.
Or train projectiles. Put ACs on Rokh, and it no longer fail... as much.
Winmatards win. Train Winmatar, be a Winmatard. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2012.05.23 17:15:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Scorch and Barrage is long range, null... isn't. Hybrid boats are the only ones that actually have to fit long range guns for long range...
It's not like if short range T2 ammo had +25% tracking on top of some ships bonus. Switch from T2 to faction AM at end range and get the crap out of whatever from 25 to 100km (+/-)
Large Blasters had a nice buff in range thx to ammo changes however for using those ships are still in need of specific ship tweaks, like agility/mass and rigs/plates drawbacks. |
nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:26:00 -
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balance is meh
better introduce new modules |
Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
50
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:02:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Scorch and Barrage is long range, null... isn't. Hybrid boats are the only ones that actually have to fit long range guns for long range...
I almost only fly Amarr ships so I do love me some Scorch, but I can't help agreeing with you. There's hardly any reason I'd rather have a beam turret than a pulse turret with Scorch. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
184
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:12:00 -
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if you are complaining that Rails/Artys are taking all your powergrid and thus, gimpimg your fit....
You doing it wrong.
Sniper = Sniper
Sniper =/= Brawler
Fit it as such. |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric
The Polaris Syndicate
128
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Posted - 2012.05.23 20:46:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Scorch and Barrage is long range, null... isn't. Hybrid boats are the only ones that actually have to fit long range guns for long range...
Wanna know how far a talos/mega can hit with null ?
60km's; that's usually more then enough for a "close range".
Note that I don't use void that much anyway because null still hits better then void due to tracking issues at close range (and that you lose most, if not all, of your dps after 5-10km's).
Granted I have mine with tracking enhancers & magstabs but talos is all about glorius dps anyway.
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Inglorious Waffles
Apocalyptic Legion.
89
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Posted - 2012.05.24 05:11:00 -
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Baneken wrote:sabre906 wrote:Scorch and Barrage is long range, null... isn't. Hybrid boats are the only ones that actually have to fit long range guns for long range... Wanna know how far a talos/mega can tickle with null ? 60km's; that's usually more then enough for a "close range". Note that I don't use void that much anyway because null still hits better then void due to tracking issues at close range (and that you lose most, if not all, of your dps after 5-10km's). Granted I have mine with tracking enhancers & magstabs but talos is all about glorius dps anyway.
fixed
Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if youit strapped a beehive to Robocop.-Kale Eledar |
Victor Sane
Aerodyne Nova
1
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:52:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:Currently long range weapons uses almost all if not more than all of a ships powergrid.
Even with all level 5 skills a moa with 5 250's has only 39 pg left for fitting.
With all Level 5's a Ferox with 6 250's has 180 power grid left.
A brutix can fit 7 tech 2 neutrons and a 10mn micro warpdrive with 100 powergrid left over.
Rails even have higher CPU requirements, and use nearly twice as much capacitor.
The range benefit of these weapons would be good if they were easier to fit, but currently they are worse than short range in every way besides range. Please make long range weapons have lower fitting.
sounds like to me you didnt spend a power grid rig on your setup or maybe theres some skill missing in there |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
75
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Posted - 2012.05.24 14:19:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Baneken wrote:sabre906 wrote:Scorch and Barrage is long range, null... isn't. Hybrid boats are the only ones that actually have to fit long range guns for long range... Wanna know how far a talos/mega can tickle with null ? 60km's; that's usually more then enough for a "close range". Note that I don't use void that much anyway because null still hits better then void due to tracking issues at close range (and that you lose most, if not all, of your dps after 5-10km's). Granted I have mine with tracking enhancers & magstabs but talos is all about glorius dps anyway. fixed
Lol yeah, outer edge of 2x falloff for Large Neutrons, if you fit 3x TEs. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
783
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Posted - 2012.05.24 15:11:00 -
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Kasutra wrote: rail Proteus.
There is no such thing. If you find one, kill it and report to CCP, they will permaban the account holder.
Small rails are good on some fits, large 350mms ok on a POS bashing Domi.
Medium Rails are terrible. There is a viable Brutix fit using them, but if you want that mid-range Gallente, just go Blastos.
(Talos kills at 40km, not at 60km. Which is usually more than enough, considering point range and all that jazz.)
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
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