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Hallusk	Posted - 2009.07.18 07:00:00 - [1] I'm new to the game, and am trying jetcan mining. However, I am continuously having my ore stolen (literally half the time). I am never able to protect myself from this (in a bantam w/ two mining laser+other players are significantly more powerful at my current skill level. How can I prevent this/mitigate my losses?
Kezzle	Posted - 2009.07.18 07:19:00 - [2] * Learn Anchoring * Get a Giant Secure Container * Go to a .7-.5 belt. (Take your indy and a combat fit too) * Anchor the container, give it a password and use that as your jetcan * Run away from the rats and get your combat frigate out if no one else is tidying them up. * ... * Profit. Or you could try moving to a more out-of-the-way system.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.18 07:30:00 - [3] Option n. 3 Ask for missions until you get one with a large asteroid field. Kill all the rats and don't give the mission in. Mine the asteroids in the mission space, the NPC spawn in it exactly like in a regular belt. Pro tip: 1) you can bookmark the location of your jetcan in mission space and afet delivering the mission warp directly to it. The mission scenery will disappear after delivering the mission but not the wrecks and can. 2) if you have some friend you can leave one in the mission space when delivering the missions, the scenery (asteroids included) will stay on till the space is left empty. That will allow you to mine and warp to your bookmarks without problems, like in a regular belt. Remember: always leave someon in the mission space or it will despawn and bookmark your can, so you will find it easily even if the mission space despawn.
Baelwuff	Posted - 2009.07.18 16:05:00 - [4] Depending on how new you are, you can try industrial mining until you can get/afford an ore barge. Take the racial industrial you got from the rookie mission arc, equip with Tech 1 Miner/Cargohold Extenders and just mine until your hold is full. You'll make enough cash to upgrade quickly to Tech 2 miners and cargohold extenders (tip - get astrogeology and level to 3/4 soon). It takes a long long long time to fill the hold, but you can easily get 600K to 1M ISK a trip with zero losses due to thieves. Mine veldspar in 0.9 to 1.0 systems and rats aren't an issue either. Yes, you can mine at least twice the speed jetcan mining, but then you have to deal with theft, can flipping and other hazards or make frequent trips back to base. Mining barge eventually are the way to go, its just on how you want to get there. Wuff
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.07.18 16:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Baelwuff Depending on how new you are, you can try industrial mining until you can get/afford an ore barge. Take the racial industrial you got from the rookie mission arc, equip with Tech 1 Miner/Cargohold Extenders and just mine until your hold is full. You'll make enough cash to upgrade quickly to Tech 2 miners and cargohold extenders (tip - get astrogeology and level to 3/4 soon). It takes a long long long time to fill the hold, but you can easily get 600K to 1M ISK a trip with zero losses due to thieves. Mine veldspar in 0.9 to 1.0 systems and rats aren't an issue either. Yes, you can mine at least twice the speed jetcan mining, but then you have to deal with theft, can flipping and other hazards or make frequent trips back to base. Mining barge eventually are the way to go, its just on how you want to get there. Wuff This is a horrible idea. Hold-mining into a real mining ship is more profitable by a good margin. One option, OP, is to create a safespot in the middle of space. Hit "Add bookmark" under the "places" tab of "People and Places", and hit "Ok" when you're in the middle of warp. You ideally want one that's very close to the belt, but still well outside of the grid (couple hundred thousand km ideally). Warp to this safespot and jettison your ore when you're full, then come pick it up later with an industrial. It's not as fast as jetcan mining, but it's faster than warping to station and docking every time.
Baelwuff	Posted - 2009.07.18 16:31:00 - [6] As I stated, an ore barge is the way to go once you have the training and can afford it. Industrial mining is NOT efficient as I stated, but its easy and a decent way to make ISK early on with nothing but ships from the rookie mission arc. The nearby jetcan is a good idea I hadn't seen posted before, although you still have the time lost warping back and forth. Go to any major belt and you'll generally see a few industrials doing it, mostly because you can do other things while doing it. Personally, I mined about 10K veldspare while writing this, so there is one example. You can train for mining barges fairly quickly though and that's the way to go in the long run...we all agree there I'm sure. Wuff
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.07.18 17:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Baelwuff As I stated, an ore barge is the way to go once you have the training and can afford it. Industrial mining is NOT efficient as I stated, but its easy and a decent way to make ISK early on with nothing but ships from the rookie mission arc. The nearby jetcan is a good idea I hadn't seen posted before, although you still have the time lost warping back and forth. Go to any major belt and you'll generally see a few industrials doing it, mostly because you can do other things while doing it. Personally, I mined about 10K veldspare while writing this, so there is one example. You can train for mining barges fairly quickly though and that's the way to go in the long run...we all agree there I'm sure. Wuff Even a navitas mines many times faster than a single industrial.
Baelwuff	Posted - 2009.07.18 17:56:00 - [8] ANY dedicated miner will mine faster...for the time you are actually mining and not flying back and forth, losing ore to can theft, etc. On the flip side, you can mine continuously for an hour or more while doing other things. Its a slow way to make money, but a very safe and steady way as well. Your milage may of course vary, but go to any high sec belt and you'll often find a few industrials there plucking away at afk mining. People do it because its easy and has decent profit for the effort invested (read very little). Can you mine faster....yes. Can you mine faster while do other things such as forums or raiding in another game...no. For me at least, I can make 1-2M ISK while off playing another MMO before I tab back in to play EVE full time. I sure could have made more by being there the full time, but its also a lot more than the zero I would have made when I was otherwise occupied. Wuff
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2009.07.18 18:01:00 - [9] 1. Join a corp. 2. Mine with a fleet. 3. ??? 4. Profit! -SIG- The true meaning of CCP; Completely Crap Patches. But I don't care, I haz CHOCOLATE. :D
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2009.07.18 18:22:00 - [10] Rule of thumb: if there are more people in local than asteroid belts, leave and find another system. Mining in missions with a jetcan is reasonably safe too.
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.18 18:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Baelwuff ANY dedicated miner will mine faster...for the time you are actually mining and not flying back and forth, losing ore to can theft, etc. On the flip side, you can mine continuously for an hour or more while doing other things. Its a slow way to make money, but a very safe and steady way as well. Your milage may of course vary, but go to any high sec belt and you'll often find a few industrials there plucking away at afk mining. People do it because its easy and has decent profit for the effort invested (read very little). Can you mine faster....yes. Can you mine faster while do other things such as forums or raiding in another game...no. For me at least, I can make 1-2M ISK while off playing another MMO before I tab back in to play EVE full time. I sure could have made more by being there the full time, but its also a lot more than the zero I would have made when I was otherwise occupied. Wuff if you're trying to find ways to not play the game then this game is not for you. gbtwow
Baelwuff	Posted - 2009.07.18 18:34:00 - [12] We'll agree to disagree I think. Although just for fun, go to a highsec mining belt...just pick one...any evening and count the # of industrials vs. the # of T1 frigates can mining there. Its clearly not for everyone, but its also a way to earn some ISK that you wouldn't otherwise get. Wuff
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.18 18:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Baelwuff We'll agree to disagree I think. Although just for fun, go to a highsec mining belt...just pick one...any evening and count the # of industrials vs. the # of T1 frigates can mining there. Its clearly not for everyone, but its also a way to earn some ISK that you wouldn't otherwise get. Wuff that's like going to a walmart in Alabama and pointing out the collage educated from the 400lb cannon fodder in tight spandex. just because there are a lot of them does not mean its a good idea
Baelwuff	Posted - 2009.07.18 19:03:00 - [14] Nor does it mean its a bad idea. Its simply a way to make ISK for some people. Just as ninja looting T4 plexes is 'fun' for some people, others have different ways/styles of making ISK. It works for me while I am doing other things...your milage may vary. Wuff
Pan Dora Caldari The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.18 19:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Baelwuff Can you mine faster....yes. Can you mine faster while do other things such as forums...yes. or raiding in another game...maybe. Fixed for you. Also there is the possibility that someone just come in a hulk and mine that 'big rock' of you , or just bump you out of range. My posts DOES reflect the view of my corp and ally... ..or a mistake they did when let me post.
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.07.18 19:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Hallusk I'm new to the game, and am trying jetcan mining. However, I am continuously having my ore stolen (literally half the time). I am never able to protect myself from this (in a bantam w/ two mining laser+other players are significantly more powerful at my current skill level. How can I prevent this/mitigate my losses? People are making this overly complicated. You have two simple, practical options. 1) Move to an out-of-the-way, low traffic system in some place like Khanid or Derelik region. 2) Stop mining and start stealing ore. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! -/ the fighting republicans /-
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.18 20:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Baelwuff Nor does it mean its a bad idea. Its simply a way to make ISK for some people. Just as ninja looting T4 plexes is 'fun' for some people, others have different ways/styles of making ISK. It works for me while I am doing other things...your milage may vary. Wuff it might be a way to make isk but you would make 10 times as much isk mining until your cargo is full and then going back to station. if you are looking for a way to make money in a internet spaceship game with out playing it then don't play the game at all. at just because outher people do it does not make it a good idea.

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