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markol
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Posted - 2004.09.28 19:48:00 -
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Does anyone else think that the training time for these skills is absolutely absurd? I am still aiming for the gelante assault cruisers, and started to train the pre-reqs for them yesterday. I consider myself on average in terms of ship operations skills compared to all other current BS drivers.
Ship operations: current 4, need 6.5 days to lvl 5. Mechanic: current 4, need 6.5 days to lvl 5. Engineering: Most already have this at 5. Need 0 days. Weapon upgrades: currently 4, need ??? to lvl 5. Assault ships: current 0, need ?? to lvl 4. Cruiser: current 4, need 33 F'ing days to lvl 5. Heavy assault skill: 1 day?
So basically, for me to start training for assault cruisers will take 1.5 months. This also means that I get no added benefit in the mean time. THere are no bonuses for the little skills that I can use. WTF am I going to do with assault ships 1-3? What about mecahnic 5? worthless!
CCP, please decrease the training times a bit. Please!
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markol
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Posted - 2004.09.28 19:48:00 -
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Does anyone else think that the training time for these skills is absolutely absurd? I am still aiming for the gelante assault cruisers, and started to train the pre-reqs for them yesterday. I consider myself on average in terms of ship operations skills compared to all other current BS drivers.
Ship operations: current 4, need 6.5 days to lvl 5. Mechanic: current 4, need 6.5 days to lvl 5. Engineering: Most already have this at 5. Need 0 days. Weapon upgrades: currently 4, need ??? to lvl 5. Assault ships: current 0, need ?? to lvl 4. Cruiser: current 4, need 33 F'ing days to lvl 5. Heavy assault skill: 1 day?
So basically, for me to start training for assault cruisers will take 1.5 months. This also means that I get no added benefit in the mean time. THere are no bonuses for the little skills that I can use. WTF am I going to do with assault ships 1-3? What about mecahnic 5? worthless!
CCP, please decrease the training times a bit. Please!
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Veneth on 28/09/2004 20:05:36 Mechanic 5 is a nice skill to have. anythign that prolongs your ships life. as well as needed by certain research fields
33 days isn't to bad once you've played eve for as long as I have. yeah it is long but ya live with it. WHy should you be able to fly cutting edge techno in only a few days time?
Assault ship 4 btw is nice. the Optimal range is handy to have.
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Veneth on 28/09/2004 20:05:36 Mechanic 5 is a nice skill to have. anythign that prolongs your ships life. as well as needed by certain research fields
33 days isn't to bad once you've played eve for as long as I have. yeah it is long but ya live with it. WHy should you be able to fly cutting edge techno in only a few days time?
Assault ship 4 btw is nice. the Optimal range is handy to have.
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markol
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:11:00 -
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Does every ship benefit from assault ships skill? Or only the assault ships? If so, I retract my statement about these being worhtless from the incrimental perspective, at least as far as that skill goes.
Mechanic 5 is worthless. You get to use armor rep II after 4. lvl 5 gives you extra to the hull, but who cares? If the extra 5% hull will save your ass, you should be dead regardless. If you start losing hull, chances are you are dead.
I have been playing for 6 months now. I don't consider myself very old, but I am older than a lot, maybe even most at this point? I know there are people who have played for more than a year, but this is stial a farking long time to train.
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markol
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:11:00 -
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Does every ship benefit from assault ships skill? Or only the assault ships? If so, I retract my statement about these being worhtless from the incrimental perspective, at least as far as that skill goes.
Mechanic 5 is worthless. You get to use armor rep II after 4. lvl 5 gives you extra to the hull, but who cares? If the extra 5% hull will save your ass, you should be dead regardless. If you start losing hull, chances are you are dead.
I have been playing for 6 months now. I don't consider myself very old, but I am older than a lot, maybe even most at this point? I know there are people who have played for more than a year, but this is stial a farking long time to train.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:25:00 -
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Just the assault hips benefit from the assault ship skill I believe... But in answer to your question about the training time being excessive, I agree.
Unless boosters vastly improve training time, logistics ships, assault cruisers etc require a prodigious investment in skill training to use.
BTW who else thinks CCP is lazy for just changing the values and adding skins to the same ships? It took forever for them to make a Black Maller, WTF?
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:25:00 -
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Just the assault hips benefit from the assault ship skill I believe... But in answer to your question about the training time being excessive, I agree.
Unless boosters vastly improve training time, logistics ships, assault cruisers etc require a prodigious investment in skill training to use.
BTW who else thinks CCP is lazy for just changing the values and adding skins to the same ships? It took forever for them to make a Black Maller, WTF?
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: markol Does anyone else think that the training time for these skills is absolutely absurd? I am still aiming for the gelante assault cruisers, and started to train the pre-reqs for them yesterday. I consider myself on average in terms of ship operations skills compared to all other current BS drivers.
Ship operations: current 4, need 6.5 days to lvl 5. Mechanic: current 4, need 6.5 days to lvl 5. Engineering: Most already have this at 5. Need 0 days. Weapon upgrades: currently 4, need ??? to lvl 5. Assault ships: current 0, need ?? to lvl 4. Cruiser: current 4, need 33 F'ing days to lvl 5. Heavy assault skill: 1 day?
So basically, for me to start training for assault cruisers will take 1.5 months. This also means that I get no added benefit in the mean time. THere are no bonuses for the little skills that I can use. WTF am I going to do with assault ships 1-3? What about mecahnic 5? worthless!
CCP, please decrease the training times a bit. Please!
its not that long, really. if you want to train for assault ships, then do it. ive already trained large energy to 5, and that took a month. now with the advanced learning skills, it would take less time, so thats cool. mechanic 5 isnt worthless btw, it benefits all ships. that 5% more hull might just mean the difference between you in a pod, and you in a ship.
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: markol Does anyone else think that the training time for these skills is absolutely absurd? I am still aiming for the gelante assault cruisers, and started to train the pre-reqs for them yesterday. I consider myself on average in terms of ship operations skills compared to all other current BS drivers.
Ship operations: current 4, need 6.5 days to lvl 5. Mechanic: current 4, need 6.5 days to lvl 5. Engineering: Most already have this at 5. Need 0 days. Weapon upgrades: currently 4, need ??? to lvl 5. Assault ships: current 0, need ?? to lvl 4. Cruiser: current 4, need 33 F'ing days to lvl 5. Heavy assault skill: 1 day?
So basically, for me to start training for assault cruisers will take 1.5 months. This also means that I get no added benefit in the mean time. THere are no bonuses for the little skills that I can use. WTF am I going to do with assault ships 1-3? What about mecahnic 5? worthless!
CCP, please decrease the training times a bit. Please!
its not that long, really. if you want to train for assault ships, then do it. ive already trained large energy to 5, and that took a month. now with the advanced learning skills, it would take less time, so thats cool. mechanic 5 isnt worthless btw, it benefits all ships. that 5% more hull might just mean the difference between you in a pod, and you in a ship.
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:22:00 -
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Ship operations lvl 5 -check Mechanic lvl 5 - check Engineering lvl 5 - check Weapon upgrades lvl 5 - check Assault ships lvl 4 - no more then 3 days i'm guessing. Cruiser lvl 5 - 21 days (and going down with adv learning) Heavy assault skill lvl 1 - 2 hours?
I don't consider myself a character with-in the high region of skills, I am doing well, and it will only take me ~ 25 days tops to be proficient in flying these new ships which I won't be able to afford for much longer anyways.
Nothing wrong here, move along. _________________________________________________________
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:22:00 -
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Ship operations lvl 5 -check Mechanic lvl 5 - check Engineering lvl 5 - check Weapon upgrades lvl 5 - check Assault ships lvl 4 - no more then 3 days i'm guessing. Cruiser lvl 5 - 21 days (and going down with adv learning) Heavy assault skill lvl 1 - 2 hours?
I don't consider myself a character with-in the high region of skills, I am doing well, and it will only take me ~ 25 days tops to be proficient in flying these new ships which I won't be able to afford for much longer anyways.
Nothing wrong here, move along. _________________________________________________________
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Directive
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian BTW who else thinks CCP is lazy for just changing the values and adding skins to the same ships? It took forever for them to make a Black Maller, WTF?
They're enchanced versions of Tech1 ships 
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Directive
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian BTW who else thinks CCP is lazy for just changing the values and adding skins to the same ships? It took forever for them to make a Black Maller, WTF?
They're enchanced versions of Tech1 ships 
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Morat
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:24:00 -
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Spaceship Command 5 : check Mechanic 5 : check Engineering 5 : check Assault frigates : level 2 Weapons Upgrades : 7 days left to level 5 Cruiser 5 : check Heavy assault : sometime late next week i think :)
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Morat
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:24:00 -
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Spaceship Command 5 : check Mechanic 5 : check Engineering 5 : check Assault frigates : level 2 Weapons Upgrades : 7 days left to level 5 Cruiser 5 : check Heavy assault : sometime late next week i think :)
----------------------------------------- If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, shoot it, it might move later. |

Nieda
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:03:00 -
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And when you are ready, you just need to wait for a bpo to come out and empty your wallet, because the first elite cruisers will cost like a tier 1 BS. --------------------------------------------- 2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |

Nieda
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:03:00 -
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And when you are ready, you just need to wait for a bpo to come out and empty your wallet, because the first elite cruisers will cost like a tier 1 BS. --------------------------------------------- 2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |

Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:53:00 -
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Ship operations lvl 5 -check Mechanic lvl 5 - check Engineering lvl 5 - check Weapon upgrades lvl 5 - check Assault ships lvl 4 - 2 days to go Cruiser lvl 5 - 19 days Heavy assault skill lvl 1 - 2 hours
So nah their reqs arent that high, most of the skills a fighter should have anyways. Sure a 4m sp char wont have them yet. But if you are focused on shooting stuff you should have those skills at 5 by the time you reach 10m sp orso.
-------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:53:00 -
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Ship operations lvl 5 -check Mechanic lvl 5 - check Engineering lvl 5 - check Weapon upgrades lvl 5 - check Assault ships lvl 4 - 2 days to go Cruiser lvl 5 - 19 days Heavy assault skill lvl 1 - 2 hours
So nah their reqs arent that high, most of the skills a fighter should have anyways. Sure a 4m sp char wont have them yet. But if you are focused on shooting stuff you should have those skills at 5 by the time you reach 10m sp orso.
-------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Massan
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Posted - 2004.09.29 13:56:00 -
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Where did you see the skill required? Im retarded and can't find it lol Oh and just going off your skills, since im new to the game, its gonna take me until about Jan 2, 2005 to get the skills required for an assault lol
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Massan
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Posted - 2004.09.29 13:56:00 -
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Where did you see the skill required? Im retarded and can't find it lol Oh and just going off your skills, since im new to the game, its gonna take me until about Jan 2, 2005 to get the skills required for an assault lol
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:49:00 -
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Another way of making the point said here is: Ship operations lvl 5 -check Mechanic lvl 5 - check Engineering lvl 5 - check Weapon upgrades lvl 5 - check Cruiser lvl 5 - check
Assault ships lvl 4 - I don't care. Heavy assault skill lvl 1 - I don't care.
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:49:00 -
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Another way of making the point said here is: Ship operations lvl 5 -check Mechanic lvl 5 - check Engineering lvl 5 - check Weapon upgrades lvl 5 - check Cruiser lvl 5 - check
Assault ships lvl 4 - I don't care. Heavy assault skill lvl 1 - I don't care.
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:23:00 -
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dude 1.5 month is nothing to fly a ship. and not jsut any ship jees its an assault cruiser. and the skill u need for it are not a waste as they give you bonuses too. u don t want to drive the assault cruiser if u don t have the skills for it. lets say if i jsut drive it now with less than a 1 mill skill on space ship comman. i wil lbe a sitting duck as i can t operate it properly.
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:23:00 -
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dude 1.5 month is nothing to fly a ship. and not jsut any ship jees its an assault cruiser. and the skill u need for it are not a waste as they give you bonuses too. u don t want to drive the assault cruiser if u don t have the skills for it. lets say if i jsut drive it now with less than a 1 mill skill on space ship comman. i wil lbe a sitting duck as i can t operate it properly.
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markol
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:28:00 -
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You are saying that having cruiser 5 is valuable in its own right? Well I do agree that it has a nice bonus of 5% to whatever it is you are driving. Maybe 20% mining yield form an osprey? Yeha that helps, but is that worth spending a month training? A month is way too long. It's a rather significant amount of time that the game was on the market for crying out loud.
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markol
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:28:00 -
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You are saying that having cruiser 5 is valuable in its own right? Well I do agree that it has a nice bonus of 5% to whatever it is you are driving. Maybe 20% mining yield form an osprey? Yeha that helps, but is that worth spending a month training? A month is way too long. It's a rather significant amount of time that the game was on the market for crying out loud.
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Raven Norsca
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: markol You are saying that having cruiser 5 is valuable in its own right? Well I do agree that it has a nice bonus of 5% to whatever it is you are driving. Maybe 20% mining yield form an osprey? Yeha that helps, but is that worth spending a month training? A month is way too long. It's a rather significant amount of time that the game was on the market for crying out loud.
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Raven Norsca
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: markol You are saying that having cruiser 5 is valuable in its own right? Well I do agree that it has a nice bonus of 5% to whatever it is you are driving. Maybe 20% mining yield form an osprey? Yeha that helps, but is that worth spending a month training? A month is way too long. It's a rather significant amount of time that the game was on the market for crying out loud.
Pr0ud m3m63r 0f t3h G4nk5t4 N4t10n
Your Sig says it all. move along
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