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db Deckard
Loc-Nar Support Services
Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:46:00 -
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I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.
-db |
Vinn Kelsier
State War Academy
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:20:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.
-db
Let me be the first to say, " Can I haz your stuff?" On a serious note, just because someone disagrees with you does not make them deaf ears. It is possible to disagree and still remain civil. Maybe it would help us to understand better if you did not make such a general statement. Is there anything in particular about the new system you disagree with?
Packing up and leaving is a cowardly way out, stand and hold your values true. Let yourself be heard. Refute your detractors with a passion!
If not, my first question stands.
Vinn |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
430
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:38:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game.
So I take it that your "toon" has been "growing up" to a point where you can go to nullsec since 2006?
eh |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1556
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Posted - 2012.05.23 17:05:00 -
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Someone hasn't though through the implications of the wardec system if they think it favors the aggressors at all.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Kemal Ataturk
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:37:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.
-db
+1
you are right deaf ears. |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp
Acquisition Of Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:59:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.
-db
See you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. |
Serina Tsukaya
Lonetrek Trade and Industries
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.24 11:12:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire.
Guess what they're trying to change? And let's not forget about RvB |
Lord Zim
694
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:33:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.
-db
You either have no idea of the abuse with which the wardec system was subject to, or you're exactly why it was changed. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
25
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:22:00 -
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How on earth can people claim the new war dec mechanics favours aggressors?
The new war dec mechanics are ****, by the way |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3951
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:44:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.
-db
Hi-sec isn't just the newbie starter area, and it hasn't been for at least 5 or 6 years. Trying to make it work as one is the source of many of the problems with it.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:57:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.
-db
Dude something like 75% of eve players don't live in 0.0.
Where do you get these ideas?
CSM7 Skype Leak
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hi-sec isn't just the newbie starter area, and it hasn't been for at least 5 or 6 years. Trying to make it work as one is the source of many of the problems with it.
Can't agree more.
It creates all these perception problems for one thing, something the OP might want to seek counselling for ;)
CSM7 Skype Leak
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db Deckard
Loc-Nar Support Services
Rura-Penthe
3
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:31:00 -
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As I started this little insurrection I feel I should man up and address some of the points raised. Just FYI I'll be leaving the game right after this post so War-Decing me will do you no good at all...... Already sold the corp off and transferred CEO.
1st - Richard Desturned probably should check his alliance history before he makes stupid posts. LNS2 was allied with his alliance in NULL just last year 
Faction Warfare/PvP/PvE players develop a skillset focused on ship to ship combat, they dont generally develop skills in mining or industry. Inversely Mining/Industrial players have developed mining/industrial skills and generally only develop combat skills to a level to fight off the belt rats thay need to deal with. Each player develops this skillset based on their objectives in the game and either should be viable paths.
The new war-dec system basically makes it a really bad idea to take a mining/industrial path. The new war-dec system makes the Mining/Industrialists victims for the players that developed combat skills. At least under the old system one could work within the rules to either shed a war-dec or make it extreamly expensive. This was a brain over brawn approach that seemed appropriate, unless you were the agressor.
The new War-Dec system will make the continous victims of the smallish mining/industral corps thus ruining the game for people that chose that path long before the war-dec system was changed. Under this system a Mining/Industrial corp has 4 options; Pay the Extortion, Pay another Corp to Fight for them, Fight for themselves, or fold the Corp. Each of these options means the people that select a mining/industrial path are doomed to be victimized by the more warlike corps. So the future of EvE is that players should just train PvP skills because the other paths are not viable. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
1679
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:36:00 -
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Hey, the war dec system has a lot of iterative fixes in the pipe that will be coming out soon-ish. #itgetsbetter
CSM 7 Chairman
My Blog - Where I say stuff
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
547
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:09:00 -
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Not sure what game db's been playing but it doesn't sound like he'd enjoy EVE very much. I wish him well as he moves on to more friendly games like Gaia Online!
Arydanika:-á"Alekseyev Karrde mercenary of my heart."-á
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet
www.noirmercs.com
Noir. Academy now recruiting |
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:49:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.
-db
before you go, can I get your stuff? |
Rasmido
Liga Freier Terraner
Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:32:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:db Deckard wrote:I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.
-db Dude something like 75% of eve players don't live in 0.0. Where do you get these ideas?
Where do you get yours?
to point it out: characters != players |
Major Killz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:32:00 -
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The csm are terrible and a terrible concept. The war dec system was silly before and silly now. If you want more of a challenge. Pvp in low and no security space. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
877
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:34:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:The csm are terrible and a terrible concept. The war dec system was silly before and silly now. If you want more of a challenge. Pvp in low and no security space.
members of NPC corps don't have to worry about wardecs, so you're fine
eh |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
2075
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:59:00 -
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As the other CSM members have stated the war dec system is a work in progress and from the point of view of the head of a care bear mining corporation, the new system holds the promise to make war much less a problem for corps/alliances like mine. The idea I can band together with other like minded corps to face aggressors is great.
Like most complicated things I expect CCP will have some improvements and changes to get it just right, but I think they have started down the right path.
Issler |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
394
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:13:00 -
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db Deckard wrote: [...] In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. [...]
-db
Because an open-world sandbox should have an explicit end-game, not least of all one defined by you, and to the 10th Ring of Hell with the play-style of any/all other paying customers.
[/sarcasm]
Get the **** out of our world. You clearly don't belong here, nor are you wanted amongst those of us who actually understand the core concept that inform--that must inform, and that must remain inviolable--a sandbox/open-universe MMOG.
No, I don't even want your stuffs, it's probably all crap anyway, given the massive fail evinced in your OP.
Just go:
Find another game to try and ruin, carebear, your ilk has already done quite enough damage to this one.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...Nullbears.
In irae, veritas. |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Ignore This.
65
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:16:00 -
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Have none of these people ever thought that they could just drop corp. Then from their respective NPC corps be free from wardecks. They can create channels to talk in (Im sure they will still use their own forums and comms etc..)
The price they would pay for this is obviously the NPC tax, but everything they are currently doing they could still do?
How does that work for posses? Hummm
Either way eve isnt like other games. It bites you in the ass sometimes.
A beast not easily tameable.
Ignore This.-á "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn |
db Deckard
Loc-Nar Support Services
Rura-Penthe
3
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Posted - 2012.06.10 01:48:00 -
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Where is the feedback from a CSM that supposed to be representing the mining industrial player? |
pelchan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.10 02:01:00 -
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Interesting. |
db Deckard
Loc-Nar Support Services
Rura-Penthe
3
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Posted - 2012.06.10 02:06:00 -
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All,
Both sides of this argument should know what 2 faced people your dealing with:
All,
Just so everyone gets a good clear understanding on what to expect from CCP I wanted to copy you all on this:
Once you're ready to leave you just need to send in a petition asking for your account to be suspended and the remaining game time to be noted. When you're ready to return, please send in another petition asking for the noted game time to be applied back to your account so you can resume playing.
With best regards,
GM Moxie
Eve Online Customer Support Team
Hi there,
I'm afraid it's not possible to suspend your account the way you describe, it's only possible to cancel the subscription so the account won't be renewed. It will then go from active to disabled when the already paid days are over.
Let me know if you need any further assistance.
Best Regards,
GM Sparkle
EVE Online Customer Support
Just so you all understand that what they say and what they do may not be the same thing.
-db |
Lord Zim
780
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Posted - 2012.06.10 02:09:00 -
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Take the green pills, it makes the voices stop talking. |
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2012.06.10 03:02:00 -
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db Deckard wrote:All,
Both sides of this argument should know what 2 faced people your dealing with:
All,
Just so everyone gets a good clear understanding on what to expect from CCP I wanted to copy you all on this:
Once you're ready to leave you just need to send in a petition asking for your account to be suspended and the remaining game time to be noted. When you're ready to return, please send in another petition asking for the noted game time to be applied back to your account so you can resume playing.
With best regards,
GM Moxie
Eve Online Customer Support Team
Hi there,
I'm afraid it's not possible to suspend your account the way you describe, it's only possible to cancel the subscription so the account won't be renewed. It will then go from active to disabled when the already paid days are over.
Let me know if you need any further assistance.
Best Regards,
GM Sparkle
EVE Online Customer Support
Just so you all understand that what they say and what they do may not be the same thing.
-db
So what is it you're crying over?
People without faces have no mouths with which to speak. |
db Deckard
Loc-Nar Support Services
Rura-Penthe
3
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Posted - 2012.06.10 05:11:00 -
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Zhihatsu wrote:db Deckard wrote:All,
Both sides of this argument should know what 2 faced people your dealing with:
All,
Just so everyone gets a good clear understanding on what to expect from CCP I wanted to copy you all on this:
Once you're ready to leave you just need to send in a petition asking for your account to be suspended and the remaining game time to be noted. When you're ready to return, please send in another petition asking for the noted game time to be applied back to your account so you can resume playing.
With best regards,
GM Moxie
Eve Online Customer Support Team
Hi there,
I'm afraid it's not possible to suspend your account the way you describe, it's only possible to cancel the subscription so the account won't be renewed. It will then go from active to disabled when the already paid days are over.
Let me know if you need any further assistance.
Best Regards,
GM Sparkle
EVE Online Customer Support
Just so you all understand that what they say and what they do may not be the same thing.
-db So what is it you're crying over?
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db Deckard
Loc-Nar Support Services
Rura-Penthe
3
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Posted - 2012.06.10 05:14:00 -
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Really??? Are you that lame that you cant see that 1 GM is saying they will keep my balance on days remaining on account and the other is saying that irreguardless is you cancel or not you accound cancels on its experation date.
So here is a case of the GM's not understanding policy. |
Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
43
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Posted - 2012.06.10 08:33:00 -
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feel free to cancel your subscription in protest.
oh wait. |
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