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Lexii Lane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:21:00 -
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Well, Iam going to do my best to explain this idea. I expect to get some kind of flak from it but I have to say it, as I have never seen it done in a game before, and I think would add more marketing appeal to the game.
I recently ( a few months back ) saw a movie called monster vs aliens in 3d with my daughter. There was a scene in the very beginning, that snapped me into EVE when I saw it: a Scene in 3d, of space.
It was then I realized how Epic eve would be if there were a tickable option to allow 3d glasses to be worn when viewing the game, and having everything render in 3d. I think its outside the box, and I havent seen it done on a game before - PC or otherwise.
I am not sure how it would work, I can imagine it would have to render 3 instances of the game itself to achieve a 3d effect, overlaying in 3d, which would require some high end hardware, but I can imagine how amazing, and how much depth, will be added to this game if CCP made this valiant first step into a new arena.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:25:00 -
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Basic illusion of 3d is not hard to code, but it is quite cpu intense. Also it would serve only as eyecandy for small percentage of players so i wouldn't see that coming anytime soon. Do not discuss moderation in your signature. Zymurgist |
Claire Bennet
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:29:00 -
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But you think it would be good later on down the road? I would love to see that.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Bennet But you think it would be good later on down the road? I would love to see that.
Good for what ? Nothing but eye candy while most of players play with eve-lite for perfromance boost. Do not discuss moderation in your signature. Zymurgist |
Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.21 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 21/07/2009 19:05:11 Those of us with jobs and high performance computers would use the 3D feature a lot if it was available. Eye candy is the yummiest.
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Lexii Lane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.21 19:19:00 -
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I know I run mine on max... I cant stand it on low, even if it gives me a performance hit. And EVE marketing can say "The first visually 3d game ever." "Your work is like a self-portrait. Autograph it with excellence" |
Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:03:00 -
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According to this page NVidia 3D Vision can transform any game into true stereoscopic 3D. EVE Online is listed as one of the games. What I can't tell from the website is whether or not you need a special monitor.
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Ardetia
Caldari The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker According to this page NVidia 3D Vision can transform any game into true stereoscopic 3D. EVE Online is listed as one of the games. What I can't tell from the website is whether or not you need a special monitor.
nope all you need is a card that supports it, and those 3D glasses
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Lexii Lane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.22 00:34:00 -
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Im wondering if ATI supports this? "Your work is like a self-portrait. Autograph it with excellence" |
Orb Lati
Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:07:00 -
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Come one. The ability to have 3d in this game is already in place. What you need is 2 accounts and 2 monitors. Get both accounts in the same ship heading in the same direction beside each other and then adjust the cameras and cross your eyes.
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Irn Bruce
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Posted - 2009.07.22 02:42:00 -
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You do need a special monitor in order to use that nVidia 3D thing.
The reason for this is that stereoscopic 3D requires the monitor to simultaneously display 2 different images, a slightly different one for each eye. This means the refresh rate of the monitor needs to be double what it normally would, which means a minimum of 120 Hz, and even then, you may notice the flicker. Very, very few monitors are capable of this. It needs to be true 120Hz,it must take a 120 Hz input, and refresh every line of the screen 120 times per second, not do what a lot of 120 Hz monitors do and take 120 Hz as an input then subsample it down to 60 Hz.
I suspect the nVidia method uses LCD shutter glasses, where the crystals are synchronised with the monitor to be opaque when the other eye's image is being shown, and transparent when that eye's image is being shown. Other methods involve using polarising lenses to filter 2 differently polarised images being displayed simultaneously, which allows for smaller refresh rates, but can't really be done by a LCD monitor. this is the method 3D cinemas will use. Then there's the classic red and blue system, but it would really suck if it was red and blue.
I agree 3D eve would be cool, but if you check out that nVidia site, there is support for Eve, although it's not great. I'm not sure why that is, but my suspicion is that Eve uses a flat texture to model the system backgrounds. It can get away with this on a 2D screen, because your brain tricks you into seeing it as 3D, but on a 3D display my suspicion is that you will see it as a backplane. It may very well just look like spaceships flying around in front of a flat background. I'd be interested to see it and see if that is indeed the case.
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FuzzyBunnyKiller
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Posted - 2009.07.22 05:09:00 -
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NO! STOP! this topic it will Brin... O NOES T3H FAIL WHALE!!!!
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Markus Reese
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.22 05:14:00 -
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The NVidia 3d isn't so much a special monitor, it is just needs a monitor that can provide enough framerate to do so as it is rapidly flickering between two perspectives. I ran into a guy who was using it for eve, said it played great, only problem was certain things pre apoc wouldn't sit in the proper layers. Ie seem closer than they were in game.
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Zeredek
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: FuzzyBunnyKiller NO! STOP! this topic it will Brin... O NOES T3H FAIL WHALE!!!!
There is only one fail whale in EVE!
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Goti Evans
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:13:00 -
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Cheap skate alternitive
1) Buy eye Patch 2) Wear eye Patch 3) Rotate Camara around ship 4) Say Yar!
In all seriousness, yes it would be cool but I think were still foru or five years from it realisiticly becoming more main stream.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.22 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 22/07/2009 20:24:11
Originally by: Ardetia
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker According to this page NVidia 3D Vision can transform any game into true stereoscopic 3D. EVE Online is listed as one of the games. What I can't tell from the website is whether or not you need a special monitor.
nope all you need is a card that supports it, and those 3D glasses
Wrong, only certain LCD monitors are 3D Vision Ready. You need a monitor that has a 120hz output AND input (most don't have inputs in 120Hz). The only compatible monitors listed on the nVidia site are:
* Samsung« SyncMaster 2233RZ 120 Hz LCD display * ViewSonic« FuHzionÖ VX2265wm 120 Hz LCD display * 100 Hz and higher analog CRTs
So unless you want to play with a huge and old 100Hz CRT monitor, you need to gear up.
I have a 22" Viewsonic VX2240w LCD monitor and I can't cut it.
Run this test and you'll know for sure: http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_compatibility.html
Originally by: Markus Reese The NVidia 3d isn't so much a special monitor, it is just needs a monitor that can provide enough framerate to do so as it is rapidly flickering between two perspectives. I ran into a guy who was using it for eve, said it played great, only problem was certain things pre apoc wouldn't sit in the proper layers. Ie seem closer than they were in game.
Wrong, see above.
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Enogapra Darpagone
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Enogapra Darpagone on 23/07/2009 12:00:43
Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar
Wrong, only certain LCD monitors are 3D Vision Ready. You need a monitor that has a 120hz output AND input (most don't have inputs in 120Hz). The only compatible monitors listed on the nVidia site are:
* Samsung« SyncMaster 2233RZ 120 Hz LCD display * ViewSonic« FuHzionÖ VX2265wm 120 Hz LCD display * 100 Hz and higher analog CRTs
So unless you want to play with a huge and old 100Hz CRT monitor, you need to gear up.
Kaylan is right, you need a 120hz LCD and the NVIDIA glasses (http://www.topachat.com/pages/detail2_cat_est_micro_puis_rubrique_est_w_tft_22_puis_ref_est_in10007964.html). Other solution exists [1].
Then you need a good NVIDIA graphic card at least a 9800gtx. It can work with ati card but you need the edimensional driver and it will only work with edimensional glasses.
Now in game, well eve is not that bad, the problem is ghost, black background with bright object, their light past through the polarized filter. So in eve currently you will get your ship in 3D but you will not have a good depth.
3D Stereo is available for any 3D game, with the nvidia driver. Games will be displayed differtently depending on how many 2d effect are still present (flight simulator have 2d ****pit) everything in 2d will be show at the screen (like subtitles in 3d movie at the cinema) and 3d object will be showed in depth.
[1] 3D stereo exist since a long time, you could get eve to run with a 3dfx, elsa erazer glasses and a 100hz+ crt monitor. You will always need a 3d graphic card with 3d stereo driver. Solutions available at the moment are - Alygraphic glasses (red-blue) - Crt Monitor 100hz+ (120hz is better) + 3d shutter glasses (elsa, nvidia, edimentional) - LCD Monitor 120Hz + 120Hz input (samsung syncmaster 2233RZ) + 3d shutter glasses (nvidia are the most recent one, they use the same principle as the old elsa one) - 3D Stereo Monitor like the Zalman, iz3d with passive glasses (non shutter glasses, lighter) you will have half the vertical resolution - 3D Stereo monitor without glasses like Alioscopy - 3D Stereo capable dlp projector with glasses (infocus depthQ) - 3D Stereo reverse projector tv like Samsung HL-T5675S
- The best solution at the moment is the samsung 120hz lcd monitor and nvidia glasses. - To go cheap, your old crt monitor and a pair of elsa erazor out of ebay (hard to configue)
Anyways, a good nvidia graphique card is recommended ;) Sorry for the ati guys, ati take 3d stereo enthusiast for less than spam. We ask them for 3d stereo driver for more than 5 years. They don't care.
Hope this helps a bit ;)
edit: Lol Orb Lati solution will also work :) (to try this, take your camera, take 2 pictures of the same object at 10cm lateral from each other, the put the two image together and merge the two picture with your eyes, you will see the object in 3d) |
Lexii Lane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:48:00 -
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Thank you all for the feedback. I didnt even know this stuff was out yet. Again, thank you :) Looks like ill be ditching this 24inch :) |
Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
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Posted - 2009.08.30 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 30/08/2009 20:45:02 nvm, wrong thread
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Rejstlin
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Posted - 2009.08.30 20:52:00 -
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You can also use anaglyph glasses and any monitor (if you don't care about loosing your eyes in process )
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Krystal Flores
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Posted - 2009.09.01 02:35:00 -
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yes for 3d eve
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.09.01 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lexii Lane but I can imagine how amazing, and how much depth,
Incredibly, for 5 minutes.
Hold your finger 6 inches from your nose. Switch from looking at your finger and your screen every 5 to 10 seconds. Welcome to the EVE in 3D experience. You will be constantly switching focus between the UI and the in-game world. It totally ruins immersion and you get tired eyes and a headache to boot.
3D in games works perfect when the UI is at proper depth, or there's no UI to speak off, as in most FPS's. In any other games, it's a fun gimick for 5 minutes.
For the past decade consumer 3D has failed to reach proper market penetration. Game developers therefore cheerfully keep ignoring the demands it places on their software because it's irrelevant for their sales figures. It looked to make some headway and then the shift to LCD happened, making us require hideously expensive screens. I don't see major support happening until 120hz LCD's are standard.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Te Hari
BLACK SKY Exploration and Development
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Posted - 2009.09.01 03:57:00 -
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two words "holographic projector" ccp its up to u to invent this.
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Krystal Flores
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Posted - 2009.09.01 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Lexii Lane but I can imagine how amazing, and how much depth,
Incredibly, for 5 minutes.
Hold your finger 6 inches from your nose. Switch from looking at your finger and your screen every 5 to 10 seconds. Welcome to the EVE in 3D experience. You will be constantly switching focus between the UI and the in-game world. It totally ruins immersion and you get tired eyes and a headache to boot.
3D in games works perfect when the UI is at proper depth, or there's no UI to speak off, as in most FPS's. In any other games, it's a fun gimick for 5 minutes.
For the past decade consumer 3D has failed to reach proper market penetration. Game developers therefore cheerfully keep ignoring the demands it places on their software because it's irrelevant for their sales figures. It looked to make some headway and then the shift to LCD happened, making us require hideously expensive screens. I don't see major support happening until 120hz LCD's are standard.
what if the ui was part of the ingame world, idk if that would work though.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.09.01 05:13:00 -
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It would, but CCP isn't going to stick in the dev time for the 3 people who would use it.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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