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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1068
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:43:00 -
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Knug LiDi wrote:Perhaps I shall contract it to Blake. It sounds like getting hold of one of these dolls is the only way he might beat Ava . . . You mean cuddle. We all know that's what he wants to, and the doll is even made for it. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |

Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT Numquam Ambulare Solus
53
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:49:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:... and the doll is even made for it.
And the correct size for Blake.
If only we could fall into a woman's arms
without falling into her hands |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
910
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Posted - 2012.05.24 07:29:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: Normally I'd be sarcastic and accuse the Amarr of being greedy bastards, so I'd say yes, but now there is also actual sovereignty at stake. I wonder what Lord Vaari's reaction to Sosan being forever lost to the Minmatar will be, and whom he will hold responsible. Oh, and honor. The Amarr care about that, right?
You're saying that the worst that could happen is that Vaari is made unhappy?
Things are going better than I anticipated!
But seriously, we're a corporation with fewer than forty members. PIE members are amongst the best pilots there are, but there are hundreds of excellent pilots left inside the militia. A lot of them are PIE alumni. They are more than capable of defending against the Shakorite horde.
Meanwhile, what about the Sani Sabik? What about the Sansha? What about the unaffiliated pirates that threaten trade and commerce in the Empire? What about the integrity of the Empire's other borders?
Yes, we care about honour. That's why we refuse to lose it by neglecting our other responsibilities. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
152
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Posted - 2012.05.24 15:41:00 -
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*Hugs to Ava*
You owe no one an explanation, Ava. Your friends don't require it and your enemies won't believe it anyway.
Poursuivre la lutte mon bon ami! What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution. Psychotic Tendencies.
117
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Posted - 2012.05.24 15:47:00 -
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Muck Raker wrote: Falsifying CONCORD paperwork
Uh...you mean we're meant to fill those out? Oh dear. I don't want to set the world on fire... Just you.
Psychotic Tendencies is now recruiting skilled PvP pilots of all TZ's. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1073
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Posted - 2012.05.24 16:32:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:You're saying that the worst that could happen is that Vaari is made unhappy?
Things are going better than I anticipated! Indeed!
Yeah, I get what you mean. Have fun not getting shot by crazed autocannon-toting freedom fighters, I suppose.  Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
208
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Posted - 2012.05.24 16:36:00 -
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... How is an enraged Vaari a bad thing?
He's hilarious when he's mad. And I don't mean in the 'insane' sense of 'mad', he's already nuts by most standards. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
279
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Posted - 2012.05.24 17:04:00 -
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I will not have people talk about the hero of Providence in such a manner.
You should be using his full titles when saying such things. |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
205
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Posted - 2012.05.24 17:58:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I will not have people talk about the hero of Providence in such a manner.
You should be using his full titles when saying such things.
You might want to set about composing a list of them all, my eyes tend to get a little heavy after the first twenty or so and I become forgetful. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
387
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:52:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Muck Raker wrote:Disturbing news from the front lines, where the Forces of Freedom are currently winning against the Legions of Oppression !
Most people would claim that the opposite is true, namely that the Amarrian forces of freedom from barbarism are on the back foot against the legions of Shakorite oppressors. Of course, most people don't appreciate the strategy of sucking an opponent into your territory to stretch his supply lines before cutting him off from his means of retreat and crushing him.
(Sigh...)
Blake...Blake!
Blake?
You really need to develop a sense of humour, particularly an appreciation for absurdity  Believe me, you'll be a lot happier. In irae, veritas. |

Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
2
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:32:00 -
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Muck Raker wrote:Disturbing news from the front lines, where the Forces of Freedom are currently winning against the Legions of Oppression !
Top Minmatar militia ace, Matar Colonel Avlynka Surionen, better known by her call sign Ava Starfire, has been publicly accused by opposing forces (which of course include the Caldari), of heinous war crimes!
this could not be true, i disapprove Gutter Press on this one
PS: want one Ava doll pls |

Dilaro thagriin
Matar's Vindication
38
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Posted - 2012.05.26 16:04:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Dilaro thagriin wrote:It was a little childish Blake, but never mind.
on a related note, your signature. 'Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.'
I believe that in your opinion it is very much a sweet and seemly thing. Though i note that you appear to be having some trouble in that department.
On the contrary, there are quite a few of my corpses out there. I believe that in the past some of them have even changed hands in return for ISK.
Rodj, you mistake reanimating for dying.
capsuleers don't die.. at least not when their capsules do. we just change places with some leftover biomass....
now.. dying.. that's irreversible.. permanent... you know.. real. i believe you would call it ascending to heaven.
so. as i mentioned.. get on with it. the cluster could do with less of you.
ah... that feels better.. simply saying that to one of the more orthodox slaver types is a cathartic experience.
now, where did i leave my firetail.
-Dilaro |

Amun Khonsu
3-Prong Operational Resources The Fendahlian Collective
38
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Posted - 2012.05.28 13:29:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:An article with a decent message. I wish Gutter Press would stop getting man-on-the-street style interviews, though. They tend to muddy things.
I have known Ava for a long time now, and both her friends and her enemies can attest to her honour. She fights hard, and she fights fair, and I know that she is concerned with the cause of peace, rather than with the cause of war.
Ava is a stand up citizen.
If the Amarr think being fed porridge is a war crime maybe they should go back to baby formula. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. |

Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
458
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Posted - 2012.05.29 08:50:00 -
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Capsuleers committing crimes?
Who would've thought. |

Kalaratiri
Skadi's Call Defiant Legacy
150
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:45:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:Capsuleers committing crimes?
Who would've thought.
Except she didn't. It's capsuleers making up accusations of other capsuleers committing crimes. Which is far more likely. |

Marin Baator
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
16
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:22:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Mekhana wrote:Capsuleers committing crimes?
Who would've thought. Except she didn't. It's capsuleers making up accusations of other capsuleers committing crimes. Which is far more likely.
Though these allegations are baseless, our alliance would likely not consider them to be crimes anyway.  |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
214
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:47:00 -
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Marin Baator wrote:Though these allegations are baseless, our alliance would likely not consider them to be crimes anyway. 
Does your alliance not have regulations regarding the ethical treatment of enemy personnel? ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon
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Marin Baator
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
16
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:43:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:
Does your alliance not have regulations regarding the ethical treatment of enemy personnel?
The welfare of those that wish to enslave are people are not our concern. |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
214
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Posted - 2012.05.30 02:40:00 -
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Marin Baator wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:
Does your alliance not have regulations regarding the ethical treatment of enemy personnel?
The welfare of those that wish to enslave are people are not our concern.
Not everyone you engage will be interested in doing so, captain. Indeed, there are many that I've met personally that would rather simply defend their space from further incursion than do any manner of enslavement and many more who do not even keep slaves.
In fact, the only ones in the Empire even capable of maintaining slaves are Holders, which are the higher class of citizens and thus the minority of the population. The people you engage on the opposite of the battlefield are fighting for a variety of causes and not all of them are seeking to enslave your people. Do not let yourselves become the monsters you so eagerly seek to destroy.
~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon
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Gottii
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
74
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Posted - 2012.05.30 04:39:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Marin Baator wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:
Does your alliance not have regulations regarding the ethical treatment of enemy personnel?
The welfare of those that wish to enslave are people are not our concern. Not everyone you engage will be interested in doing so, captain. Indeed, there are many that I've met personally that would rather simply defend their space from further incursion than do any manner of enslavement and many more who do not even keep slaves. In fact, the only ones in the Empire even capable of maintaining slaves are Holders, which are the higher class of citizens and thus the minority of the population. The people you engage on the opposite of the battlefield are fighting for a variety of causes and not all of them are seeking to enslave your people. Do not let yourselves become the monsters you so eagerly seek to destroy.
This is nonsense.
The 24th Crusaders are fighting to keep us from freeing our kin, which means they're fighting to keep them enslaved. It also means they're fighting to enslave a yet another unborn generation of Matari.
I care little for whatever self-deceptions these pilots use to assuage their guilt. Their motives mean little compared to their actions.
They claim to be solely defending their "home". Which is the right of any people, save those that build their homes upon the backs and misery of others. |

Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
93
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Posted - 2012.05.30 06:01:00 -
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Marin Baator wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:
Does your alliance not have regulations regarding the ethical treatment of enemy personnel?
The welfare of those that wish to enslave are people are not our concern.
There is a distinction here that some people don't seem to make (on both sides). That distinction being that there are Amarrians that have no wish to enslave anyone. Yes I'm aware that the conversation here is focused on the militia, but seeing as I've been told before by another member of the Murientor Tribe that I am just as much an enemy as any pilot of the 24th, I feel it might be best to explain who is and who isn't an enemy.
I'm not a member of the 24th and I'm apparently an enemy, last I heard anyway. I'm not a slaver either so I'm sure you can understand the confusion over this. Would a Murientor Tribe member care to explain where the "that one is a slaver" line begins and ends? |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
288
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Posted - 2012.05.30 10:24:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Marin Baator wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:
Does your alliance not have regulations regarding the ethical treatment of enemy personnel?
The welfare of those that wish to enslave are people are not our concern. Not everyone you engage will be interested in doing so, captain. Indeed, there are many that I've met personally that would rather simply defend their space from further incursion than do any manner of enslavement and many more who do not even keep slaves. In fact, the only ones in the Empire even capable of maintaining slaves are Holders, which are the higher class of citizens and thus the minority of the population. The people you engage on the opposite of the battlefield are fighting for a variety of causes and not all of them are seeking to enslave your people. Do not let yourselves become the monsters you so eagerly seek to destroy.
I would say that I told people so when this alliance formed several months ago, but that would sound arrogant.
However, I would like to point a minor detail in your statement : Holders are not the only legal group that can hold slaves in the Empire. It is a little more complicated than that. Becoming a slave owner requires a lot of standing with the proper authorities (mostly, the clergy and the Amarr Civil Service), that will give in return an official authorization for the new slave owner to start keeping slaves. It is not something that is handled lightly, even if most Holders are Holders precisely because of they were given the right to hold slaves in the past of their dynasties, and that authorization can actually be handled to almost anyone judged worthy of it. That way, it is possible to find commoners owning slaves, and also, the navy under imperial mandate. In the Mandate even, there are no proper Holders, but slave owners that never got to profit from the creation of that title in their legal system.
There is also another whole different group of slave owners that are the slavers. This is another kind of mandate that is closer to a lettre de marque allowing to actually enslave people. Usual slave owners like Holders are not allowed to do that. Only slavers are allowed. The laws regulating their functions are legion and they are bound by imperial and CONCORD law not to raid outside of the Amarr Empire, but also, they do not have the divine mandate to enlight and guide their slaves. This is why they are sold to proper Holders for that purpose. This is a way to keep two enormous powers separate.
Gottii wrote:
This is nonsense.
The 24th Crusaders are fighting to keep us from freeing our kin, which means they're fighting to keep them enslaved. It also means they're fighting to enslave yet another unborn generation of Matari.
I care little for whatever self-deceptions these pilots use to assuage their guilt. Their motives mean little compared to their actions.
This sounds very simplistic and candide.
Gottii wrote:They claim to be solely defending their "home". Which is the right of any people, save those that build their homes upon the backs and misery of others.
Yes, racial generalization, pots and kettles again. |

Mensha Khael Crow
House of Murder
16
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Posted - 2012.05.30 11:36:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:Marin Baator wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:
Does your alliance not have regulations regarding the ethical treatment of enemy personnel?
The welfare of those that wish to enslave are people are not our concern. Not everyone you engage will be interested in doing so, captain. Indeed, there are many that I've met personally that would rather simply defend their space from further incursion than do any manner of enslavement and many more who do not even keep slaves. In fact, the only ones in the Empire even capable of maintaining slaves are Holders, which are the higher class of citizens and thus the minority of the population. The people you engage on the opposite of the battlefield are fighting for a variety of causes and not all of them are seeking to enslave your people. Do not let yourselves become the monsters you so eagerly seek to destroy. This is nonsense. The 24th Crusaders are fighting to keep us from freeing our kin, which means they're fighting to keep them enslaved. It also means they're fighting to enslave yet another unborn generation of Matari. I care little for whatever self-deceptions these pilots use to assuage their guilt. Their motives mean little compared to their actions. They claim to be solely defending their "home". Which is the right of any people, save those that build their homes upon the backs and misery of others.
Should C0URT consider this personal or official stance?
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Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
215
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:12:00 -
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Gottii wrote:This is nonsense.
The 24th Crusaders are fighting to keep us from freeing our kin, which means they're fighting to keep them enslaved. It also means they're fighting to enslave yet another unborn generation of Matari.
I care little for whatever self-deceptions these pilots use to assuage their guilt. Their motives mean little compared to their actions.
They claim to be solely defending their "home". Which is the right of any people, save those that build their homes upon the backs and misery of others.
You cannot begin to dictate the motives of every pilot in the 24IC and as I've stated already, not everyone in the 24IC is fighting to enslave anyone. I find it highly ironic, hypocritical even, that you would justify your own prejudice by clinging to your own self-deceptions.
Farel, thank you for the...clarification on slave ownership in the Empire, I was rather naive to believe it was anything as simple as what I originally stated. It does, however, reaffirm that not everyone in the Empire is a slave-holder nor interested in doing so. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon
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Ilsenae Alexandros
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
65
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:41:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:Marin Baator wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:
Does your alliance not have regulations regarding the ethical treatment of enemy personnel?
The welfare of those that wish to enslave are people are not our concern. Not everyone you engage will be interested in doing so, captain. Indeed, there are many that I've met personally that would rather simply defend their space from further incursion than do any manner of enslavement and many more who do not even keep slaves. In fact, the only ones in the Empire even capable of maintaining slaves are Holders, which are the higher class of citizens and thus the minority of the population. The people you engage on the opposite of the battlefield are fighting for a variety of causes and not all of them are seeking to enslave your people. Do not let yourselves become the monsters you so eagerly seek to destroy. This is nonsense. The 24th Crusaders are fighting to keep us from freeing our kin, which means they're fighting to keep them enslaved. It also means they're fighting to enslave yet another unborn generation of Matari. I care little for whatever self-deceptions these pilots use to assuage their guilt. Their motives mean little compared to their actions. They claim to be solely defending their "home". Which is the right of any people, save those that build their homes upon the backs and misery of others.
This is my home. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Ilsenae Alexandros Khross, Chaika Eskeitan of the Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Math'ra Hiede
Trinity's Vanguard
10
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:07:00 -
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Gottii wrote: This is nonsense.
The 24th Crusaders are fighting to keep us from freeing our kin, which means they're fighting to keep them enslaved. It also means they're fighting to enslave yet another unborn generation of Matari.
I care little for whatever self-deceptions these pilots use to assuage their guilt. Their motives mean little compared to their actions.
They claim to be solely defending their "home". Which is the right of any people, save those that build their homes upon the backs and misery of others.
And yet you would simply create more misery, fighting a war in an area of space that has little to no effect on the overall Empires slave trade.
Yet, you would destroy, hunt and murder the countless lives in the name of your republic, more lives than you are ever likely to save.
I make no bones about that war, I fought it to kill Minmatar. I fought it to protect an Empire that was brutally invaded and subject to a war we didn't want. I fought to protect my family and home.
Whatever misguided goals you give yourself should not be covered in a thin veil of self righteousness.
If you want to free your enslaved bretheren an exchange might be arranged, your head for theirs. |

Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
31
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:45:00 -
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Math'ra Hiede wrote:
I make no bones about that war, I fought it to kill Minmatar. I fought it to protect an Empire that was brutally invaded and subject to a war we didn't want. I fought to protect my family and home.
Whatever misguided goals you give yourself should not be covered in a thin veil of self righteousness.
If you want to free your enslaved bretheren an exchange might be arranged, your head for theirs.
YOU were brutally invaded!! The first aggressive act was committed by the Amarr on The Day Of Darkness You might not of wanted a war but you will certainly get one.
Our best form of defence against the slavers is to continue our push into the Bleak lands, Amarrians will be given no quarter as none was given to us. |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
215
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:28:00 -
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Markius TheShed wrote:YOU were brutally invaded!! The first aggressive act was committed by the Amarr on The Day Of Darkness You might not of wanted a war but you will certainly get one. Our best form of defence against the slavers is to continue our push into the Bleak lands, Amarrians will be given no quarter as none was given to us.
Yes, it is true that the Amarrians have wrought great evil upon your people. It is true that many inhumanities and wicked acts are committed still against your people. Yet it is also true that not all Amarrians are guilty of these sins, not every being born into the Empire is pursuing more evil against your people.
Consider this when you are destroying livelihoods and tearing apart families.
Yes, it is true that your people struggle daily both under the heels of slavery but also under the weight of deprivation. It is true that many children of Matar desire freedom and identity with their people. Yet it is also true that money and resources being spent on a continued advancement effort are money and resources that could be directed toward infrastructure and putting food in the mouths of babes. It is also true that not every Matari in the Empire is mistreated and seeking freedom.
Consider these things when you continue to bring hardship to your people by neglecting stability and infrastructure, focusing your efforts on fueling the flames of the war rather than providing a future for your children.
Have wrongs been committed against your people? Absolutely. Are wrongs continuing to be committed against your people? Absolutely. Does this mean you forsake the people you have in order to seek revenge or liberation for those you don't? Absolutely not.
You claim your only defense is a continued advance and that no quarter shall be shown, but there are other options available to you. Protect that which you already have, provide for those within your communities and develop a future for your children and their children first. Do not let yourselves be consumed by hatred and anger, you will become the very monsters you claim to be fighting against.
I say this not to condemn you, but in hopes that your struggle will be won with wisdom and integrity and that the children of Matar will see a brighter, stronger and more secure future because of your actions today. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon
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Marcus Prelude
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
0
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:37:00 -
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The future is bright, ... and rusty-coloured. The Tribes are on the march! |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
215
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:43:00 -
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Marcus Prelude wrote:The future is bright, ... and rusty-coloured. The Tribes are on the march!
Sigh.
And so the process of failing to see the forest for the trees continues.... ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon
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