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Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:01:00 - [1] Hello MDers. I'm posting this here before i try to gather investors to get some feedback from you, potential investors. Kazzac have done an audit and will post it when/if we launch it for real. Linky Fire away! __________________________ Sig
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:06:00 - [2] I really need to drop comcrap and pick up a gmail account or something. Sorry I missed your note that you were going to post Vherinda. @everyone else I did the audit, its currently sitting at home and will post later tonight
Mordou Mordou Manufacturing and Trade	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:07:00 - [3] How long have you been running this contract, how stable is it, is it likely to last the duration of the bond and yield the profits you estimate? Are you taking the freighter out of hi-sec? P.S. This doesn't have much to do with the business, but "Kazzac have done" Anyway thats all I can think of off the top of my head.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:07:00 - [4] If I understand correctly, you are doing fine and honoring your current "contracts" fine. But then you need an input in money for "This influx of ISK will allow us to allocate more to different money making opportunities while maintaining our current activities". Now, while it's very good to honestly state what you do, what about stating what you want to do with that money? That would be a business plan. Expecially indicated here, since it might be 0.0 related (ie not liked by investors) or not. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:14:00 - [5] Edited by: ingenting on 22/07/2009 19:14:53 sd _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha what about stating what you want to do with that money? As written in the document, everything gathered with this bond will be used to run this service to deliver minerals and fuel to our clients. This way we can use our existing money for other things. __________________________ Sig
Mordou Mordou Manufacturing and Trade	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:27:00 - [7] Wait, where did my and ingenting's post go? EVE search says Linkage
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Mordou How long have you been running this contract? As stated in the document, over 2 months. Originally by: Mordou How stable is it, is it likely to last the duration of the bond and yield the profits you estimate? The client have expressed an interest for a long term deal. The 10% ROI for this bond can be covered with 1-2 deliveries. If not, or it's cancelled, our other assets will cover it. Originally by: Mordou Are you taking the freighter out of hi-sec? Not related to this contract, no. __________________________ Sig
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:41:00 - [9] Based on your declared profits, this bond is at most 2 months and closer to one month's profit for you. As such I'm struggling to see why you actually need the money for its stated goal.
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Viktor Raybach Based on your declared profits, this bond is at most 2 months and closer to one month's profit for you. As such I'm struggling to see why you actually need the money for its stated goal. So we can make even more money, faster, basically. __________________________ Sig
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:44:00 - [11] 2,000 shares at 10m each is 20b not 2b Unless my eyes have gone crooked staring at the comp screen all day
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Saehta 2,000 shares at 10m each is 20b not 2b Unless my eyes have gone crooked staring at the comp screen all day I says 200 for me, and have been since yesterday :) __________________________ Sig
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Vherinda Originally by: Saehta 2,000 shares at 10m each is 20b not 2b Unless my eyes have gone crooked staring at the comp screen all day I says 200 for me, and have been since yesterday :) check your eyes Quote: 7 - Bond Details Total Number of Shares 2,000 Price Per Share 10M Total Capitalization 2B
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.07.22 20:03:00 - [14] Edited by: Vherinda on 22/07/2009 20:03:20 I've republished it now, should say 200, if not Google Docs is acting up. __________________________ Sig
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.07.22 20:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Vherinda Edited by: Vherinda on 22/07/2009 20:03:20 I've republished it now, should say 200, if not Google Docs is acting up. Much better
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.07.22 22:34:00 - [16] Edited by: ingenting on 22/07/2009 22:34:55 Originally by: Mordou Wait, where did my and ingenting's post go? EVE search says Linkage deleted at my own request (failpost). dont know about your post tho
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.07.23 00:12:00 - [17] Edited by: Vherinda on 23/07/2009 00:12:16 Updated document: Removed duplicate "Contract is cancelled" under Risks. (edit spelling) __________________________ Sig
Clara Mismer Minmatar Gulfonodi Industries	Posted - 2009.07.23 02:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I really need to drop comcrap and pick up a gmail account or something. Sorry I missed your note that you were going to post Vherinda. @everyone else I did the audit, its currently sitting at home and will post later tonight you were going to post the audit results in the thread or in goggle docs?
ZulM	Posted - 2009.07.23 06:35:00 - [19] I am willing to fund your venture completely, as soon as a reliable audit is released. Please contact me ingame for further details (16:00 GMT+).
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.07.23 20:44:00 - [20] Kazzac will post the audit any second now, so I'll start taking reservations now and list them in this post. ____________________
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.23 20:44:00 - [21] Audit Report for vherinda Was contracted by vherinda to give a general look over financial records and alt associations. There were three people across 5 accounts that I was asked to give a once over. There were no specifics covered other than a verification of a few claims and accounts. All players have linkages through the corporation Dragon Wing The first one is vherinda. First account toons Kushieda Katsui - Limited forum history Trade toon, 2m in trade skills 300k in social nothing else significant 4m sp total (name redacted) - no history Trade/Mining/Hauler 3m SP total Jasmin Teheran - no history Corporate Mgt Alt 900k SP total Second account toons (name redacted) - No history Trade Alt 800k SP total bulk in trade (name redacted) - lengthy history with the bulk in MD and SnI Could find nothing that would raise any red flags such as links to scammars, etc.. 21sp Total, most spread across ships, trade, Industry, and drones. Mostly for mining, has skills to run transport ships Vherinda - Small history all in MD 2.5m sp total bulk in Trade Transaction history is mostly corporate order related and journal log has nothing out of the ordinary other than the occasional transfer of isk from toon to toon between the two accounts. Total NAV for both accounts is around 1b and has no what I would call tangible assets (BPOs, control towers, etc..) The second one is 'Zerook' First account toons zax dragon - No history Throw away alt -56k SP ZEROOK DRAGON - few posts, one slightly confirming what was found in the transaction history http://www.eve-search.com/thread/981124/page/1#20 7m SP Hauler alt, training up to jump operation (assuming jump freighters) Second account toons (name redacted) - Limited history, related to merc corp 10m SP, typical training you would expect combat pilot krags avariaus - no history Throw away alt - 56k SP ZAGAR DRAGON - No history Trade alt - 800k SP mostly in trade Transaction history is mostly corporate order related and journal log has nothing out of the ordinary other than the occasional transfer of isk from toon to toon between the two accounts. Total NAV for both accounts is approx 1.6b The third person is 'mr moneymaker' and the toons on this account are (name redacted) - Zero History Throw away alt - 56k SP (name redacted) - Zero History Throw away alt - 71k SP Mr MoneyMaker (recently purchased) No history on any toon at all other than purchase 11m SP bulk in trade and spaceship command, with ability to fly freighters and transport ships purchased I was not privy to the full API keys for this account Regarding the corporation DRAGON WING INC. The three players account for all 8 members of the corporation. Current transaction history shows numerous purchases of ammo, weapons, general pvp supply items but no outlaying of these items. So for all intents and purposes from what I can see these items are purchsed and then immediately used or sold. Looking through the journal record I could find no unusual transfers as it seems they keep personal isk separate from corporate isk. On average there is 250m to 700m in escrow and market activity picks up every7 to 8 days, which coincides with the items that are being traded on. The average margin on items is 10%, however with proper scaling and assuming volume matches some of it could go as high as 20%. Current assets total approx 1.5b but this amount rolls up and down as escrow goes up and down. I would estimate the monthly profit at 70-100m. The corporation holds no huge amount of what I would call real tangible assets, blueprints, control towers, etc.. -Second half coming
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.23 20:47:00 - [22] -Second half Marked up against my current transaction history database, I could find no links out of the ordinary. Not unusual considering I only had a weeksÆ worth or so of data to go over. Contract history is sparse and delivery deal could not be verified directly though the contract system however a brief conversation was held with a member of the receiving corporation/alliance who claimed approx 1.4b weekly in deliveries along with various reactants. However again, looking in the contract history in game there is nothing to immediately back that up. Named were redacted at OPs request. This Audit is in no way an endorsement nor condemnation so please take this audit for it is, a verification of certain information and some claims. As auditor I reserve the right to reveal the redacted names should the situation call for it.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.23 20:52:00 - [23] And apologies in the delay, as soon as I got home I got an emergency work order to go bring back up the primary exchange server that decided to bork for whatever reason or another.
ZulM	Posted - 2009.07.23 20:55:00 - [24] Reserving 2 bil.
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.07.23 21:09:00 - [25] Sold out.
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.08.07 12:48:00 - [26] Sorry to say, but someone hacked my partners account, and ISK was stolen. 2,812,726,233.98 ISK We are waiting for a GM to solve the issue. Have anyone else had this happen? Did you get the ISK back? __________________________ Dragon Wing Inc.
Stela'Artois Capital Ventures Incorporated	Posted - 2009.08.07 19:39:00 - [27] Riiiiiigght.....
Lecherito	Posted - 2009.08.07 19:53:00 - [28] lmao, is this for real? -L
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.08.07 21:33:00 - [29] Never know could be legit, there has been a massive rash of account hackings in the last month. If it is true, good luck. Should take a week or so to get it sorted
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.08.08 21:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Never know could be legit, there has been a massive rash of account hackings in the last month. If it is true, good luck. Should take a week or so to get it sorted Our API's are unchanged if you would like have a look, Kazzac. jEveAssets reports 3,164,000,000 ISK in assets, we'll use these in case we dont get the ISK back. __________________________ Dragon Wing Inc.
ZulM	Posted - 2009.08.09 08:16:00 - [31] Well, this is an unexpected development, but I guess stuff happens. Please keep me updated on the latest events.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.08.10 00:42:00 - [32] Originally by: Vherinda Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Never know could be legit, there has been a massive rash of account hackings in the last month. If it is true, good luck. Should take a week or so to get it sorted Our API's are unchanged if you would like have a look, Kazzac. jEveAssets reports 3,164,000,000 ISK in assets, we'll use these in case we dont get the ISK back. I wont be able to check until tomorrow, but I'll first thing in the morning
ZulM	Posted - 2009.08.16 11:04:00 - [33] An update would be most appreciated.
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.08.23 01:21:00 - [34] It's been 2 weeks since last GM replied... __________________________ Dragon Wing Inc.
ZulM	Posted - 2009.08.23 21:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Vherinda It's been 2 weeks since last GM replied... This is most unfortuante. Is it safe to assume, that you will start implying some kind of exit strategy?
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.08.24 08:02:00 - [36] Edited by: ingenting on 24/08/2009 08:05:16 That sucks. _________________ Originally by: CCP Pann I think we've explored every option just shy of sending out ninja squads with bazookas. http://20thlegion.net
ZulM	Posted - 2009.08.29 06:53:00 - [37] This is not acceptable. Please conact me online to discuss the details.
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:44:00 - [38] Originally by: ZulM This is not acceptable. Please conact me online to discuss the details. It appears that we have got our ISK back. My partners trade account with roles is inactive and I won't be home until around 23.00 GMT tonight to confirm. __________________________ Dragon Wing Inc.
krags avariaus	Posted - 2009.08.31 17:46:00 - [39] Edited by: krags avariaus on 31/08/2009 17:47:58 Originally by: Vherinda Originally by: ZulM This is not acceptable. Please conact me online to discuss the details. It appears that we have got our ISK back. My partners trade account with roles is inactive and I won't be home until around 23.00 GMT tonight to confirm. Hi, senior GM Spiral here. Please accept our apologies for the delay in responding back to your petition. The ISK should be mostly recovered now. Please check your corporation's account for confirmation. Additionally, we recommend that you change your account's password as the individuals that may have accessed your account may still have this information. Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.08.31 22:23:00 - [40] All our ISK is back. 2B ISK have been returned to ZulM This info also sent in-game. _________________ Originally by: CCP Pann I think we've explored every option just shy of sending out ninja squads with bazookas. http://20thlegion.net
Vherinda DRAGON WING INC.	Posted - 2009.08.31 22:32:00 - [41] 2B sent to ZulM __________________________ Dragon Wing Inc.
ZulM	Posted - 2009.09.01 03:28:00 - [42] Confirming the return of isk.
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.09.01 13:35:00 - [43] Was interest paid, or was the principal returned without interest?

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