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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:31:00 -
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Recently several pilots have discovered a unique oppertunity in evading scans.
Apperantly if you shove enough a very unpopular item and similar module and effects upon your ship nobody can ever probe you down enough. Sure they will know you are in the ball park area but they can never get close to you.
For years these items where thought to be utterly useless not even halfway worth the materials it was made out of, a wasted fitting and in the end doesnt work to help out its intended goals against a stronger counter.
Now this cat is out of the bag and brought some hidden value into this item the question is. Is it a mistake meant or needs to be kept? Is finding a 'hidden' value amongst the trash should be something ccp should allow for those highly unpopular items that nobody ever uses? Or do they go back in a nerf it because its 'gamebreaking' and return the items original value to utter nothingness? As we discuss we can bring up other examples of rags to riches stories other aspects have had that was unitiontally became or discovered to be useful.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 22/07/2009 21:49:22
Considering how the balancing works on this one, I'd say keep it. It does come at a steep fitting cost and for the kinds of ships where you'd might to want this immunity, those slots are already at a premium so you're weakening your ability to serve your primary purpose by a fair bit.
The ships where this kind of fitting could both be useful and not intrude on what else you'd want to stick in there, can usually fulfill their purpose just as well by just fitting a cloak, so they don't really need this to begin with.
It may or may not have been entirely intended, but it somehow seems to strike a good balance out of the box.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:54:00 -
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This might actually make missioning in lowsec worthwhile. Of course you also would need to get a working mission fit together.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.07.22 22:20:00 -
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Bulkheads?
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Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.07.22 22:29:00 -
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And would you please enliighten the rest of us unknowing wich item makes you hard/imposible to scan you down?
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Faife
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.22 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Faife on 22/07/2009 22:32:41
totally legit, and they were used before, just not all that much. my falcons often had them, back when small gang warfare was MOAR FALCON THAN THEM IS VICTORY and falcons jammed falcons from 200 km away
scanning is not against hull, it's by design against a certain value, so max the hell out of it. just don't shield tank.
EDIT: unless you're using passive in which case go ahead and shield tank.
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Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.07.22 23:14:00 -
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But what is that secrect module now?
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Muhammed Jafar
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Posted - 2009.07.22 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Muhammed Jafar on 22/07/2009 23:30:16
ITS ECCM THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ECCM
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Linda Lipsynch
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Posted - 2009.07.22 23:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Dagobert Dog
And would you please enliighten the rest of us unknowing wich item makes you hard/imposible to scan you down?
Anything that increases your ships scan strength or reduces signature radius. The Evelopedia has some excellent information regarding these items. And yeah, ECCM. |
Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.22 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Muhammed Jafar
Edited by: Muhammed Jafar on 22/07/2009 23:30:16
ITS ECCM THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ECCM
the falcons
they are useless
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.22 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Linda Lipsynch
Originally by: Dagobert Dog
And would you please enliighten the rest of us unknowing wich item makes you hard/imposible to scan you down?
Anything that increases your ships scan strength or reduces signature radius. The Evelopedia has some excellent information regarding these items. And yeah, ECCM.
I understand how reducing sig radius would make scanning you down harder... but how would increasing the scanned ship's scan strength make it harder to scan down? Just seems counterintuitive.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech
I understand how reducing sig radius would make scanning you down harder... but how would increasing the scanned ship's scan strength make it harder to scan down? Just seems counterintuitive.
If your scan (sig radius) / (sensor strength) ratio is below 1.087 or something like that, you are impossible to scan down even with perfect skills, mods, implants and probes. Not sure if the number is really true, but it is a fact that higher sensor strength and lower sig radius makes you harder to scan.
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Linda Lipsynch
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:36:00 -
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Armoured C
forum extrodinare
FFS. It's extraordinaire.
Jeez, get that right at least.
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:42:00 -
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Geez... I can't believe it's taken people until now to realise this.
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Nomad Storm
The Wandering Path
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:53:00 -
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Probably took so long because it gimps fittings and if you just want to afk hide a cloak only takes one slot. I cant see ever trying this myself.
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Faife
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.23 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Nomad Storm
Probably took so long because it gimps fittings and if you just want to afk hide a cloak only takes one slot. I cant see ever trying this myself.
that's fine and dandy in 0.0 where it's so damn empty that if someone shows up you just cloak up, but not so much in low sec: you'd never get anything done.
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Discrodia
Gallente
Blood Red Dawn
Novus Auctorita
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Posted - 2009.07.23 01:51:00 -
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ECCM is win.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.07.23 05:51:00 -
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Well the intention was not to really discuss the eccm itself hence why I left mentioning out of it and as pointed out it wasnt the only module contributing to this deviant styled game play.
The discussion I was really aiming for was useless features finding use outside original intentions and how they should be either kept or denied on thier nature of thier occurances.
ECCM was the latest example of this happening in eve and im sure it wont be the first or last it happened.
as about the eccm itself I dont feel its overpowered, it has a strong ability just for harassment alone in any situation and offers protection against being found but not getting destroyed in the first place. If they expanded the dynmaic a bit further such as going loud doing something to make you more detectable would be even cooler but that deserves its own seperate thread that im no where near finsihed with ready for publishing in ewar 2.0
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Posted - 2009.07.23 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
Apperantly if you shove enough a very unpopular item and similar module and effects upon your ship nobody can ever probe you down enough. Sure they will know you are in the ball park area but they can never get close to you.
If you shove enough ECCM on your ship you have no tank or gank. If you use drones you're SOL anyway, thanks to the little darlings using MWD all over the place.
Safest way to run missions is still to run hisec. Safest way to AFK safespot is still to cloak.
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Tamahra
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 23/07/2009 11:14:58
i have a question. does it make sense to only fit one or two eccm modules so that it would take them longer to scan you out, or do you always need to fit the max possible amount of eccm modules so that your eccm can even be effective?
thx in advance
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
does it make sense to only fit one or two eccm modules ...
If you're "hard" to probe down it will take them 10-20 seconds longer to find you. |
Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.23 12:14:00 -
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What use are Omni ECCM?
They boost 4 types of sensor strenghts, but why? does not all ships have only 1 type of sensor strentgh? |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.07.23 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zaiyo Modi
What use are Omni ECCM?
They boost 4 types of sensor strenghts, but why? does not all ships have only 1 type of sensor strentgh?
It is just a logistical benefit as you won't need to have 4 sorts of ECCM in a corp hangar as they work on all ships. |
Faife
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:37:00 -
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btw, even if you cram enough ECCM on your ship to be functionally unscannable, the wrecks, drones, bad guys, and (in case of p****s) the plex, will be very scandownable still. |
Faife
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
btw, even if you cram enough ECCM on your ship to be functionally unscannable, the wrecks, drones, bad guys, and (in case of p****s) the plex, will be very scandownable still.
please explain to me why p l e x e s is censored. it's a game term... |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Faife
btw, even if you cram enough ECCM on your ship to be functionally unscannable, the wrecks, drones, bad guys, and (in case of p****s) the plex, will be very scandownable still.
please explain to me why p l e x e s is censored. it's a game term...
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Linda Lipsynch
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Armoured C
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FFS. It's extraordinaire.
Jeez, get that right at least.
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BloodHarvest
Minmatar
Havoc Violence and Chaos
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Posted - 2009.07.23 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
btw, even if you cram enough ECCM on your ship to be functionally unscannable, the wrecks, drones, bad guys, and (in case of p****s) the plex, will be very scandownable still.
Well, wrecks and "bad guys" aren't probable, but other than that...yeah. I agree a cloak is a much more viable option...imho ofc.
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