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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:21:00 -
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Currently it is possible for a player with low security status to travel through Hi-Sec systems with relatively little worry. The faction police will respond to your presence but if you are in a fast ship then one has relatively little to worry about. Even battleships are able to make it through with the Faction Police not engaging there disruptors for approximately 10-15 seconds after engaging you.
However: When travelling through Concord Sov systems (notably Yulai and three or four others) even if you are not engaged on the gates by the police spawns there is a random chance of incurring a GCC upon entering the system and even during warp through the system. This leaves the player unable to leave the system or dock and 9 times out of ten will result in the destruction of one's ship.
This does not just affect outlaws but players with, for example, a security status of less than -2.0 travelling through a 1.0 system which has Concord Sovreignty.
While a relatively minor problem it is a source of much irritation if travelling from one end of the galaxy to another.
Under no circumstances should travel through hisec be safe for those with low security status. The faction police are merciless and will destroy anyone who lingers around for too long or disconnects while travelling. Added to that are the risks of happening across a switched on pilot with some tackle fitted. Finding mid warp that one has recieved a GCC without even being aggressed by the faction police goes against the grain somewhat though.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:33:00 -
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Agreed.
The whole GCC system is bugged as heck, though.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:54:00 -
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:24:00 -
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Yes
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De'Veldrin
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:29:00 -
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In this instance, I happen to agree with Lark. The GCC is there to serve a particular purpose, and in this case, it doesn't sound like that purpose is being served.
I support a more general request to have CCP review GCC mechanics and update anything that seems to not make sense.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:58:00 -
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So ... what is the problem? I'm a bit confused.
Do you think Concord also "having a discrete beef" for people with a negative sec status (even if they are just petty "criminals") on their own turf (it is their sovereign system) is a problem?
Or should Concord display such behaviour outside of their sovereign systems?
Or should Concord mind their own business and only deal with serious "organised" crime :P
Pilots with a negative sec status need to be wary of law enforcement, and quite frankly it is not surprising to see the equivalent of the Feds give a hint here or there or put a stumbling block on "their" road for people bordering on criminality so the local cops get a little success too once a while. Makes the chief and the mayor look good, in a manner of speaking. Cause, well, normally the local cops are a joke who never catch much of anything.
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Herschel Yamamoto
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Posted - 2009.07.24 15:12:00 -
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This just sounds ludicrous. Supported.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.07.24 18:40:00 -
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While it makes sense that CONCORD might be a bit more fussy than the 4 empires about who can travel in their systems, the way it currently works is in need of some fixing, especially the GCCs during warp. Failing that, improved documentation.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Awesome Possum on 24/07/2009 19:59:57
 Originally by: iP0D
So ... what is the problem? I'm a bit confused.
Do you think Concord also "having a discrete beef" for people with a negative sec status (even if they are just petty "criminals") on their own turf (it is their sovereign system) is a problem?
Or should Concord display such behaviour outside of their sovereign systems?
Or should Concord mind their own business and only deal with serious "organised" crime :P
Pilots with a negative sec status need to be wary of law enforcement, and quite frankly it is not surprising to see the equivalent of the Feds give a hint here or there or put a stumbling block on "their" road for people bordering on criminality so the local cops get a little success too once a while. Makes the chief and the mayor look good, in a manner of speaking. Cause, well, normally the local cops are a joke who never catch much of anything.
When you are aggressed by faction police, you can still use jump gates and dock. When you are under GCC, you can do neither (afaik), at least in a ship.
Special note: Evading Concord's wrath is an exploit.
So technically, CCP's own lazy mechanics would cause anyone with a -2.0 traveling through Concord space that gets GCC to be committing an exploit by surviving.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfDoom on 24/07/2009 22:13:20
Makes sense.
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Posted - 2009.07.25 01:37:00 -
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Yes please
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Posted - 2009.07.25 04:51:00 -
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Posted - 2009.07.25 05:31:00 -
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Aethrwolf
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Posted - 2009.07.25 05:38:00 -
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ok, the mid warp thing is an issue. but as for the rest.. flying into a concord sov system with a low sec is like walking into a police station while you have an active warrant out for you... OF COURSE they're going to react.
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Posted - 2009.07.25 05:53:00 -
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Armoured C
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Posted - 2009.07.25 06:21:00 -
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get rid of concord systems and fix GCC
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ShangoLianja Balogun
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Posted - 2009.07.25 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 25/07/2009 20:27:10
Only a Pirate/ganker would want CONCORD's systems eliminated. Fix the bugs, but keep CONCORD's systems intact. Pirates will be less apt., like in the real world, to "bum rush" any Tom, **** and'Eve' wondering into Pirates' attack zones.
I watched as a pirate, or other, with a bad Sec. Status get blown to bits by a CONCORD vessel. It was the funniest, most immersive thing I had seen at a gate thusfar. Guarenteed to disuade any other criminal from rolling up on the "Po', Po'" units at customs, for ex, thinking they are gonna run things.
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Posted - 2009.07.25 20:52:00 -
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I agree with this proposal
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Posted - 2009.07.25 21:53:00 -
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It's certainly broken.
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.26 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun
Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 25/07/2009 20:28:20
Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 25/07/2009 20:27:10
Only a Pirate/ganker would want CONCORD's systems eliminated. Fix the bugs, but keep CONCORD's systems intact. Pirates will be less apt., like in the real world, to "bum rush" any Tom, **** and'Eve' wondering into Pirates' attack zones.
Two days ago, I watched as a pirate, or other, with a bad Sec. Status got blown to bits by a CONCORD vessel. It was the funniest, most immersive thing I had seen at a gate thusfar. Guarenteed to disuade any other criminal from rolling up on the "Po', Po'" units at customs, for ex, thinking they are gonna run things.
Don't throw the baby-out-with-the-bath-water.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.07.26 15:23:00 -
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It's not just him, I gather. Albeit his choice of words is .. not exactly awesomesauce.
I'm still having trouble seeing the problem here I'm afraid.
GCC under Concord sovereignty makes sense. It IS Concord sovereignty. Unlike other systems where Concord has to operate under a shared charter or together with Faction elements, these systems are the domain of Concord.
It does suck, to go in there with negative sec status and pretty much find that Concord is letting you trip over something so that the cops can get you, but at the same time it makes sense. Plus it is a random occurance, it is not like this is an iron cast guarantee that if you have negative sec status and if you go through Concord sovereign space they will let you stumble over something so the cops will get you.
It's an odd chance event.
Bear in mind that to Concord anyone which has negative sec status is not a well behaving citizen, but someone who is either borderline or already a criminal. Concord does not have to take into account the realities of life in space  they have their bureaucracy to maintain, after all.
Like I said, the random chance of incurring a GCC as someone with a negative sec status under Concord's sovereignty does not strike me as "bad" or "broken".
It strikes me more as an Officer standing outside his headquarters and sticking out his foot when he sees John Doe average policeman spot or run after someone with a criminal sheet running across the pavement.
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: iP0D
It's not just him, I gather. Albeit his choice of words is .. not exactly awesomesauce.
I'm still having trouble seeing the problem here I'm afraid.
GCC under Concord sovereignty makes sense. It IS Concord sovereignty. Unlike other systems where Concord has to operate under a shared charter or together with Faction elements, these systems are the domain of Concord.
It does suck, to go in there with negative sec status and pretty much find that Concord is letting you trip over something so that the cops can get you, but at the same time it makes sense. Plus it is a random occurance, it is not like this is an iron cast guarantee that if you have negative sec status and if you go through Concord sovereign space they will let you stumble over something so the cops will get you.
It's an odd chance event.
Bear in mind that to Concord anyone which has negative sec status is not a well behaving citizen, but someone who is either borderline or already a criminal. Concord does not have to take into account the realities of life in space they have their bureaucracy to maintain, after all.
Like I said, the random chance of incurring a GCC as someone with a negative sec status under Concord's sovereignty does not strike me as "bad" or "broken".
It strikes me more as an Officer standing outside his headquarters and sticking out his foot when he sees John Doe average policeman spot or run after someone with a criminal sheet running across the pavement.
This is all true... However the GCC mechanic and Concord response is there to punish players immeadiately for hostile actions in High Security space.
It's a rubbish mechanic that trips up even players who are not outlaw as such.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
This is all true... However the GCC mechanic and Concord response is there to punish players immeadiately for hostile actions in High Security space.
It's a rubbish mechanic that trips up even players who are not outlaw as such.
The mechanism is not rubbish, it's a random event which makes sense. If it happens it sucks, but that does come with negative sec status.
Keep in mind that we are talking about Concord here, not the Empire factions police. Concord is the supreme watchdog, negative sec status means outlaw, regardless of how big the negative sec status. On their turf they are likely to let someone who is not a fully fledged good citizen stumble so the regular cop can get him.
The GCC mechanic exists to punish players for criminal actions and not staying on the right side of the "law", for which the only means Concord has is the mechanism of sec status. If positive, all is well, if negative, they at minimum give you "the look" (next step being they let you trip).
Concord, like every bureaucracy will not build up a complete file on everyone and all actions across all time, they use a simple response & action mechanism based on criminal actions and security status.
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:56:00 -
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Sakos Vartrow
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Posted - 2009.08.16 17:24:00 -
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Supported.
Its pretty obvious its not meant to work this way.
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Bellum Eternus
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:24:00 -
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Supported. I think what the majority of the people who are disagreeing with the OP fail to understand is that the Concord equivalent of 'faction police' in the other systems are incurring a 'concord level' criminal flag, instead of the regular 'yellow' aggression flag commonly associated with being aggroed by faction navies.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 04:14:00 -
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I've petitioned and got ships back from when this happened (twice).
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:22:00 -
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In this sense Concord systems should behave like any other 1.0 system.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:23:00 -
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Not supported. If you're sec status is not up to par and you wanna test CONCORD on their turf, it's your chance with the law, despite the game mechanics. However they need to beat you is how they need to do it, weird mechanic or not. You want a changed mechanic? You should be insta-locked and killed on the gates.
Seriously, EVE already begs it's players to get low sec status, we don't need more incentives that let people just waltz where they want with no repercussions. Keep your sec status up or stay away from CONCORD.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:32:00 -
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Supported, but I would prefer that there be no police or concord response at all unless the pilot is currently GCC and is in high security space. IMO an outlaw should be able to travel freely but would be fair game for any player that wishes to attack him.
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