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Radon Kadar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Radon Kadar on 24/07/2009 17:02:19
Why is ratting in low-sec such a bad idea compared to ratting in 0.0 or missioning in high sec?
Because ratting in 0.0 is a low-risk activity since space is protected by alliance bubble camps and is relatively empty. Roaming enemy gangs do happen but with intel channels you often get a warning and can cloak and wait them out when they enter local.
Low sec is different. It is not economical to defend a section of space and then make money from ratting in it. You thus have to rat in space with free access from all sorts of people. Traffic is often high enough that cloaking whenever local changes furter reduces ratting/missioning income to way below high sec level 4 missions.
Given these risks rat bounties are just too low for low-sec ratting to be a worth while income generator.
Flame on
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:04:00 -
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get a couple of friends and protect the space/you?
Just a thought.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:10:00 -
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This is more a problem with 0.0. Sovereignty and local gives people virtual immunity.
The former, and hopefully the latter, is being revamped with the next expansion.
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Radon Kadar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:10:00 -
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I agree that EVE does not have to be a solo game but with the rat rewards at the moment, how would would we with a small group make an amount of isk/hour that compares even with running level 3 missions in high sec?
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Radon Kadar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Radon Kadar on 24/07/2009 17:14:40
Even if we make 0.0 ratting less safe, low-sec ratting would still not compete with lvl 4 missions.
The simple solution is making lowsec rats pay better.
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:29:00 -
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Oh sure, nerf yet another way to make ISK on this game...
Another reason people don't rat (often) in low-sec is because these systems are often even more dangerous than 0.0 at times because alliances can't effectively control these systems. However, you're not safe from a roaming gang in 0.0 either...I've seen one a many ratter get blown up by a hostile roaming gang. How that happens I'll never know...
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Lijhal
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:34:00 -
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oh look, the chinese/russian/whatever 0.0 ratter in his cloaky raven is doing more isk with less risk then a lvl4 mission runner in high sec ... and then people are complaining about lvl4's and giving to much reward
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Radon Kadar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Agent Known
Oh sure, nerf yet another way to make ISK on this game...
This is not a nerf 0.0 thread. This is a boost low-sec thread and don't worry if the rats pay out more than in 0.0 per kill.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.07.24 18:27:00 -
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Not all of us who make our ISK in 0.0 are members of alliances and protected by bubble camps. Some of us are independants and small corps who have to make it through/past/around the bubble camps to make our living.
~ Santiago Fahahrri
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 18:42:00 -
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How about this crazy idea: Rat spawns are dynamic. Base is like the current distribution but the more rats get farmed, the lower the rats spawns become as the factions abandon activity in (for them) insecure areas. Spawns in not or little farmed areas start growing in value as the pirates settle in to do their business there. This could in theory even lead to BS spawns in some backwater forgotten highsec system.
Then we only need to do something similar for missions and exploration and chaos can ensue.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Ronos
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:53:00 -
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Low sec is, and has been for quite some time, more dangerous than in 0.0. ONCE you can get out to 0.0, you can hide with relative ease, esp if you know what hours that alliance that owns it is active. ( i have flown through MM space countless times during certain hours and never encountered anyone...even thru station systems )
Rarely have i flown through low sec systems freely. Instead of increasing low sec rat bounties... open up more low sec portals out to 0.0, so people other than alliances can get out...
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:55:00 -
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Low sec ratting is terrible. Half the belts are empty or spawn only frigates and destroyers. Battleships are so few and far between I gave up looking for them and rebuilt my sec status (-6 to -1.9 over the last few days) killing battlecruisers.
I don't think that low sec ratting should be more profitable than nullsec per se, but there's room for a boost.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.24 20:53:00 -
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I agree and disagree. Currently, lowsec is slightly more valuable than highsec, in terms of "raw" mining and ratting rewards. However, it is not enough of an increase to justify the extra security and risk associated with it. Lowsec should be worth significantly more than highsec; enough to make the additional risk worthwhile. However, I disagree that it should be worth more than nullsec; after all, there needs to be a solid incentive for people to fight to take and hold nullsec.
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Becq Starforged
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Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2009.07.24 21:48:00 -
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I am a low sec mission runner. I started a thread a few weeks ago on how after pre-Apocrypha any prober with a little bit of experience can probe down a mission runner almost exclusively with their onboard scanner, making the probing process almost completely undetectable (probing using the onboard scanner is 100% stealthy). Before the expansion I'd run missions even with pirates and neutrals in the same system because the onboard scanner had a reasonable chance at detecting anyone probing me. Now, I can no longer take that chance. Scan probing mission runners is not only easy, it can now be done in almost complete stealth. There is now greater risk in low sec and the rewards are not only not worth it, but in my case near non-existent. Low sec has become a place to pirate and PVP exclusively.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Not all of us who make our ISK in 0.0 are members of alliances and protected by bubble camps. Some of us are independants and small corps who have to make it through/past/around the bubble camps to make our living.
You probably have a lot more systems free to do this since China dropped the ban hammer.
Do what this guy is doing!
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here
i was thinking earlier about corpses...
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.25 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known
Oh sure, nerf yet another way to make ISK on this game...
Another reason people don't rat (often) in low-sec is because these systems are often even more dangerous than 0.0 at times because alliances can't effectively control these systems. However, you're not safe from a roaming gang in 0.0 either...I've seen one a many ratter get blown up by a hostile roaming gang. How that happens I'll never know...
Why would an alliance not be able to effectively control low sec? Of course you can. There is just no point.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.07.25 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Why would an alliance not be able to effectively control low sec? Of course you can. There is just no point.
That's the main problem. Not that it's hard to control low-sec space, that if you're going to do it you may as well go find a piece of 0.0 and do the same for more profit.
Though I think low-sec is mostly fine. There's too many people in highsec, too few in 0.0 yet low-sec is quite balanced, population-wise.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
The Riddik
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Posted - 2009.07.25 01:17:00 -
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thread can be summed up as " whaaa whaaaa whaaa"
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.07.25 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: The Riddik
thread can be summed up as " whaaa whaaaa whaaa"
That may be true but most of low sec really is friggin terrible. It has no unique qualities except FW p****s.
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Faife
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.25 02:53:00 -
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i agree with low sec being worth more than 0.0 on the condition that bubbles will work in low sec.
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slightly sillydude
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Posted - 2009.07.25 06:10:00 -
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Ostensibly the point of corps and alliances is to secure the wealth in 0.0. If low sec were the place where the money was at there would be very little reason for anyone to set up shop in 0.0. Everyone would just use low sec NPC stations.
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