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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3912
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Posted - 2012.05.24 09:40:00 -
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I've been playing Eve for a good 6 years now and I have to say this is by far the worst spoiled crying over fresh milk unspilt I have ever seen.
By Amarr I swear some of these pilots would complain if you try to hang them with a rope that wasn't new and the tree thats been dead for a while and grew sorta low.
I diagnose thee with Bitterstone Veteritis. People who think they are bitter vets just becuase something changed on them that challenges the way they where taught to play. A real better vet would rather complain about the FPS drop because of launchers and still demanding a tactical command mode view or complaining about a non related feature impacting thier game play.
There are those with legitimate concerns complains and quite valid disgruntlement that would win them most of new eden if they ever campaign on it but this is getting drowned out over something quite rather silly to complain about.
Remember the old font? Not the one they swapped out last year to allow UI scaling to happen. The one way well before titans floated about, that was declared not 'sci-fi' enough was one reason for its removal. What about the visual D-Scanner that showed all the obecjts in a small minimap in the corner the one that current tactical overlay replaced? What the lot of you need to do is understand, anticipate, and adapt AHEAD of time to all these changes. If you cant manage that do yourself a favor and take a vacation then come back and play again, you will quickly forget the older interface.
This isnt like incarna gate where the feature added no value to the game aside from foundationing for future stuff. This update had end products that are immediably enjoyable added value with only requiring minor tweaks in the future instead of major several expansions worth of overhauls and addiums to fix.
I mean seriously this is almost as silly as the one player I had the displeasure of talking to whining about how the escrow system was better for sending and receiving items and his ignorant refusal to use the new contract system costed him a bet of 100 million isk all because he didnt want to use contracts when I issued him one.
Just because you shot the statue in jita once doesnt mean you are going to be heard again shooting it. At this point nobody is taking you seriously over the UI interface.
Want attention still? Here's a suggestion for a bigger scene blow up the luminare titan that will get attention regardless. Blame the caldari for the software update to the inventory UI.
Either way heres to changing excel spreadsheet in space and changing it to windows in space.
Also I see this being very unlikely reversed, so to make better use of your tears you better start suggestings quick, inuitive, and smarter ways to get something to your liking. like drag and drop a folder in space auto opens a new window without the rest of the tree listed.
BTW I don't see why everyone is saying look at an OS UI for a better understanding. Last time I checked every major OS has the tree function built in and its almost default on all of them. Also like most major OSs out there, Cntl V Cntl A and Shift Drag works rather well.
Those with the foggy crystal ball for fortune telling the future have much more massive issues to complain that would warrent a jita shootout of epic porportios about but for now most of them are making thier hedge bets and hope to come out on top after the dust of when those features are implimented. Those who dont come out on top will definelty be bakc in this fourum whining like a hyena for sure.
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Sil Nela
Special Operations Command
2
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Posted - 2012.05.24 09:46:00 -
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7 year vet here and loving the game.
UI Changes are nothing compared to the BOOT.INI deletion  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7200
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Posted - 2012.05.24 09:47:00 -
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Not really, no.
Complaining that one of the most important interfaces in the game has lost functionality and been made slower doesn't particularly qualify as being GÇ£spoiledGÇ¥.
Nova Fox wrote:At this point nobody is taking you seriously over the UI interface. GǪaside from CCP. Fortunately, they're the only ones who need to take them seriously. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3914
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Posted - 2012.05.24 09:50:00 -
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Generic Complaining is most unhelpful to anyone.
That would be like saying you hate your country but never explain why exactly.
Slower? Once I had all my filters setup I am blazing though my daily tasks like a plasma knife though melted butter.
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Mirime Nolwe
Mantra of Pain
41
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Posted - 2012.05.24 09:57:00 -
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People cry about anyting atm. With Incarna i agree that something had to be done, but now.. Its just anoying little brats that want everything and anything at the same time.
Does the majority of players are women with PMS? |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3914
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:00:00 -
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Mirime Nolwe wrote:People cry about anyting atm. With Incarna i agree that something had to be done, but now.. Its just anoying little brats that want everything and anything at the same time.
Does the majority of players are women with PMS?
Maybe more of the wow/tor/sto kids are comming over and we're having to deal with a new brand of immaturity, cluelessness, and undeservings.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7202
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:02:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Generic Complaining is most unhelpful to anyone. It's not particularly generic thoughGǪ
Yes, slower. The UI itself is slower due to all the additional crap it has to populate itself with and the constant need to adjust and/or reset what you're looking at means you're spending time doing other things than moving items around.
Mirime Nolwe wrote:People cry about anyting atm. Aside from a few people crying about the amount of complaints, no really, no. Most of the displeasure is quite concentrated to a couple of key areas. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3914
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:04:00 -
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I think the frame rate drop with the new missile launchers, erronous chatwindow errors, missing items are a more critical complaint point.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7202
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:09:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I think the frame rate drop with the new missile launchers, erronous chatwindow errors, missing items are a more critical complaint point. Lolno. Those are just plain old bug fixes.
The inventory system suffers from design issues, which are much more tricky to fix, and they affect one of the most used and most critical systems in the game GÇö something everyone have to deal with unless they only ever use EVE as an IRC client. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |

Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Exhale.
37
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:12:00 -
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this is a good post mate regarding people need to stop crying out UI, its s4it they acknowledged it and their fixing it....
regarding missile effects lagging your computer please shut up, they need to improve the graphics and visuals. imagine if this game still had 2003 graphics?? it would be almost as bad as playing on a console....
the average computing power goes up pritty rapidly, every 18 months the price of processing halfs. this trend has been going on for a long time and its called 'Moore's Law'
thankyou CCP for updating your graphics and game to make use of all the fancy hardware were now using. o7 |

Renturu
Tribal Spirit The Nest Alliance
191
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:18:00 -
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I can understand individuals being upset with lag in the population time of the new UI window, as well as the FPS drop with the launchers. But rage quitting? THAT, to me, screams of immaturity. It took me all of 10 minutes to understand what had happened and make the proper adjustments to the new window.
I guess I'm ok with the b1tching and moaning, we're human, we do that... but rage quitting to me is just ridiculous. If EvE WiS is Space Barbie, then I'm built like a Ken Doll:
Nothin' but 14 inches of T'aint; Smooth, from front to butt!!! |

Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:20:00 -
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There seem to be people who think they're here to dictate terms to the management. No other game listened to them so they ended up here ... as far as I can tell. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3916
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:20:00 -
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Mind you I'm not the one having issues I had to go though 10 pages to see if there where any other issues about the game because of the expansion.
I am by what you call a horrible tester, my computer has little to know problems running sisi or getting sisi to break or underperform.
Moore's Law is quickly comming to an end. To the point we see it in sight now on some super experimental computers. Also its every 8 weeks these days not 18 months. Average time until your newest and latestest is out of date is about 2 weeks at most.
Im all for the V4 Project.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
588
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:23:00 -
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Bittervet checking in.
The UI changes aren't really something to get worked up about. Does it suck currently? Kindof. However its the initial release and CCP can and hopefully will add in the functionality that's needed. Though even in its current state it is a lot better then the old, minus the minor loss in functionality. |

Mirime Nolwe
Mantra of Pain
43
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:24:00 -
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Tippia,
The problem is not to point out the problems of the new features but the arrogant attitude of wanting everything immediately, plus the fact that we have the childish threads about unsubscribing about everything nowadays.
You are playing long enough to know better than me that the game has, had and will continue to have problems that are being or will be addressed.
This new feature is not perfect? No. Because of it should we cancel our accounts? No. It is the reason for all thisl crying? No. will it destroy the gameplay? No. it will deriously undermines our fun in the game? No. And so on ..
While i look at this forum and I look back I see it in WoW when i played at 4 years ago. I do not see a place for debate and issues and developments on the game interesting as the they was in 2006/2007/2008. Its all about complaining atm.
Trolls have always existed but now is too much. |

Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
186
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:29:00 -
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Man I wish you could blow up the titan..................................................................... I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship.......... |

pmota
the muppets RED.OverLord
20
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:32:00 -
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The new inventory is like Windows Explorer : you got folders, you got files (the items themselves). Oh wait, where are the shortcuts ? omg they're not there (where's the Open Ore Bay in orcas ?) and you can't even keep persistent search strings to look for a specific item as you click several corp hangar tabs. Now THIS is wrong. So how should we behave ? Imho we should complain so that CCP knows about it.
Is that being spoiled ?!
Oh you might want to check the latest dev blog. CCP kind of agrees losing functionality is not ok and they're giving it back. So no, we were not being spoiled, we were being responsible members of this community.
Thank you ccp for listening to the user base instead of considering all of us spoiled when we complain about something that is obviously wrong. The new inventory system is great but it is not a finished product. Finish it (speed issues, shortcuts, opening separate windows by default when using shortcuts and PLEASE ADD A WAY of not having to waste screen space on that nice blue bar (m3) and the value estimate. It is a great feature, but you should have the option (hey, it could be client based!) of not showing it.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
871
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:32:00 -
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Mirime Nolwe wrote:plus the fact that we have the childish threads about unsubscribing about everything nowadays. Yeah... I mean it's just a mackinaw, come on guys ...
... or a POS. Or your favorite blinged out ratting ships. Or your "max veld" edition Hulk. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7203
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:32:00 -
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Mirime Nolwe wrote:Tippia,
The problem is not to point out the problems of the new features but the arrogant attitude of wanting everything immediately, plus the fact that we have the childish threads about unsubscribing about everything nowadays.
You are playing long enough to know better than me that the game has, had and will continue to have problems that are being or will be addressed.
This new feature is not perfect? No. Because of it should we cancel our accounts? No. It is the reason for all thisl crying? No. will it destroy the gameplay? No. it will deriously undermines our fun in the game? No. And so on .. The thing is that there has been this growing trend recently that CCP don't really seem to listen to feedback until after the GÇ£CANCEL ACCOUNT!GÇ¥ threads come out. In this case, in particular, it is very easy to point to a wealth of feedback and how it resulted in absolutely nothing, at which point those threads come out that much faster to absolutely no-one's surprise.
There is a degree of unresponsiveness that simply breeds this behaviour since it often looks like the only way to make any kind of impact. Whether that's actually true or not is somewhat besides the point GÇö it's a culture that has been growing ever since :18 months: and which has continually been reinforced by the devs.
At this point, I don't particularly blame people for going for the big club at the drop of a hat, because the polite note so rarely seems to make any kind of impact. I also don't mind if most people don't post deep analyses or long itemised lists GÇö there are still those who do and the rest can then just tag along and point to those compilation to say GÇ£raaaargh! I agree! ragequit!GÇ¥. Would it be nicer without the aggressive tone? Sure. I'm no longer convinced that it would work, thoughGǪ  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3921
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:39:00 -
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I am more annoyed at the fact I have to double open my character shee tto force it to load.
I do think ccp does listen and they overly did listen they'd end up like blizzard, wait 10 years for an expansion or squel and when it does come out its still not perfect and horrendously bug riddeled and newly designed game systems are most unenjoyable.
I am also aggrivated over item descriptions that are not up to date, these changes would remain 'hidden' features of the said module until otherwise to a new player.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
873
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The thing is that there has been this growing trend recently that CCP don't really seem to listen to feedback until after the GÇ£CANCEL ACCOUNT!GÇ¥ threads come out. In this case, in particular, it is very easy to point to a wealth of feedback and how it resulted in absolutely nothing, at which point those threads come out that much faster to absolutely no-one's surprise. There is a degree of unresponsiveness that simply breeds this behaviour since it often looks like the only way to make any kind of impact. Whether that's actually true or not is somewhat besides the point GÇö it's a culture that has been growing ever since :18 months: and which has continually been reinforced by the devs. At this point, I don't particularly blame people for going for the big club at the drop of a hat, because the polite note so rarely seems to make any kind of impact. I also don't mind if most people don't post deep analyses or long itemised lists GÇö there are still those who do and the rest can then just tag along and point to those compilation to say GÇ£raaaargh! I agree! ragequit!GÇ¥. Would it be nicer without the aggressive tone? Sure. I'm no longer convinced that it would work, thoughGǪ  To some extent, it makes perfect sense. It's brinkmanship, or escalation of threats or whatever. The smaller threats aren't credible, and any level of threat becomes old hat after a while.
So you gotta keep going for bigger and braver so to speak. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Zhihatsu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:49:00 -
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Entitled, spoiled nerds cry foul and threaten mass unsub every time an update doesn't go quite as planned. Maybe the new inventory is a problem for some people, maybe that one particular team could have been more diligent in working with feedback, but judging by how people tend to overreact to any change here on the forums, I'm not really surprised their reaction was, "Just try it first."
Now though, nerds think that if they freak out and damn the CCP devs any change or in-game action they don't like will be rolled back. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |

Zhihatsu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:51:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:The thing is that there has been this growing trend recently that CCP don't really seem to listen to feedback until after the GÇ£CANCEL ACCOUNT!GÇ¥ threads come out. In this case, in particular, it is very easy to point to a wealth of feedback and how it resulted in absolutely nothing, at which point those threads come out that much faster to absolutely no-one's surprise. There is a degree of unresponsiveness that simply breeds this behaviour since it often looks like the only way to make any kind of impact. Whether that's actually true or not is somewhat besides the point GÇö it's a culture that has been growing ever since :18 months: and which has continually been reinforced by the devs. At this point, I don't particularly blame people for going for the big club at the drop of a hat, because the polite note so rarely seems to make any kind of impact. I also don't mind if most people don't post deep analyses or long itemised lists GÇö there are still those who do and the rest can then just tag along and point to those compilation to say GÇ£raaaargh! I agree! ragequit!GÇ¥. Would it be nicer without the aggressive tone? Sure. I'm no longer convinced that it would work, thoughGǪ  To some extent, it makes perfect sense. It's brinkmanship, or escalation of threats or whatever. The smaller threats aren't credible, and any level of threat becomes old hat after a while. So you gotta keep going for bigger and braver so to speak.
So what comes next after threatening mass unsub? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
873
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:53:00 -
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Zhihatsu wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:The thing is that there has been this growing trend recently that CCP don't really seem to listen to feedback until after the GÇ£CANCEL ACCOUNT!GÇ¥ threads come out. In this case, in particular, it is very easy to point to a wealth of feedback and how it resulted in absolutely nothing, at which point those threads come out that much faster to absolutely no-one's surprise. There is a degree of unresponsiveness that simply breeds this behaviour since it often looks like the only way to make any kind of impact. Whether that's actually true or not is somewhat besides the point GÇö it's a culture that has been growing ever since :18 months: and which has continually been reinforced by the devs. At this point, I don't particularly blame people for going for the big club at the drop of a hat, because the polite note so rarely seems to make any kind of impact. I also don't mind if most people don't post deep analyses or long itemised lists GÇö there are still those who do and the rest can then just tag along and point to those compilation to say GÇ£raaaargh! I agree! ragequit!GÇ¥. Would it be nicer without the aggressive tone? Sure. I'm no longer convinced that it would work, thoughGǪ  To some extent, it makes perfect sense. It's brinkmanship, or escalation of threats or whatever. The smaller threats aren't credible, and any level of threat becomes old hat after a while. So you gotta keep going for bigger and braver so to speak. So what comes next after threatening mass unsub? More an issue of using it faster and faster.
As opposed to three whine threads, then threaten the unsub, you move to two, then maybe only one.
Now, everyone simply makes unsub threads on their first go. As you can clearly see ^__^/
Besides in days when you whittled down seconds and get your launch times into the minutes, at some point the only thing to do is to do it. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3922
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:56:00 -
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Actually complaints and accusations of ccp attempting to hide the unsub button which is only evident that these guys dont know how to unsub proper.
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Zhihatsu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2012.05.24 11:02:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Actually complaints and accusations of ccp attempting to hide the unsub button which is only evident that these guys dont know how to unsub proper.
This is actually a thing? MY god, I'm glad these people aren't trying to unsub from AOL. They'd probably self harm before they ever figured it out. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
169
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Posted - 2012.05.24 11:11:00 -
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9 year vet, and no complaining about devs breaking something that wasn't, despite feedback on the test server and ignoring the player base isn't spoiled.
Tal
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
169
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Posted - 2012.05.24 11:11:00 -
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Zhihatsu wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Actually complaints and accusations of ccp attempting to hide the unsub button which is only evident that these guys dont know how to unsub proper. This is actually a thing? MY god, I'm glad these people aren't trying to unsub from AOL. They'd probably self harm before they ever figured it out.
Or try uninstalling it from there machine ?
Tal
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Kiteo Hatto
The Fiction Factory Blue Nation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.24 11:14:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Mirime Nolwe wrote:People cry about anyting atm. With Incarna i agree that something had to be done, but now.. Its just anoying little brats that want everything and anything at the same time.
Does the majority of players are women with PMS? Maybe more of the wow/tor/sto kids are comming over and we're having to deal with a new brand of immaturity, cluelessness, and undeservings.
Im actually pretty sure its the other way around. Kids love shiny/pretty/new stuff. It's those carpal vets that have mastered the art of micromanaging several accounts at once that are probably having to "adapt", they don't like it. |

killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
84
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Posted - 2012.05.24 11:14:00 -
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i wish they wouldn't threat about unsubbing to get ccp's attention, btw this is attention seeking behavior i expect from my kid tbh
instead they should just hold mass... bio mass ceremony's privately somewhere
disclaimer: i am in no way inciting, encouraging suggesting suicide in any way i mean only in terms of in game character deletion, before i get twatted over the head with a ban hammer huh? |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3922
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Posted - 2012.05.24 17:25:00 -
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I am quite sure the older vets are way used to the simple fact eve is going to change on them.
Though I would like to see a grave yard of old features put to place somewhere in new eden that would be rather Iconic even though its player based even.
"Here lies the lack of tutoirals, back when the game threw you into the universe and didnt tell you a amarr-damned thing what to do."
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alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
9
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Posted - 2012.05.24 17:42:00 -
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TLDR carebear talking about being in game and the UI not keeping a ship alive or killing it. What do you even do, all I see are dumb photoshop pics from you.
The new amarr ships are **** dark, dark space now with dark ships... might as well not even have a ship model... **** they all look the same... no more red guard... blue proator... they are all the same **** color.
And you are right this is not incarna... this is worse, that added something useless to the game... this UI ****** up a working thing IN the game.
Due to being a carebear I won't even talk about local, chat chans, etc...
No one ever talked about unsubbing in mass till it was what CCP said we had to do for them to listen.
CCP won't listen unless people unsub and you babies who don't have the nuts to unsub talk about how it is childish.
GUESS WHAT if no one un subbed, FiS be dead.
Also like to know how to blow up something that can't be blown up... photoshop it? |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3923
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Posted - 2012.05.24 18:37:00 -
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I am not a carebare, just because I suck at killing people doesn't mean I must be doing something every carebaer does. I just cant fund pvp activities at all and If I was a real carebare my corp office wouldnt complain about the lack of payements to keep the office doors open. Also there is more than one way to skin a cat, the damage I've done elsewhere cannot be easily measured... well maybe if you can count the number of killboards and vacant team speak servers no longer in use would be one metric I guess. The problem with skinning cats this way though is that there are no leftovers to scavange though to make money off of and it always costs money to make it happen this way.
I also cannot afford let alone use photoshop, if you want extremly horrible UI adobe photoshop HAS IT. and even If I did I typically don't draw scenery of ships blowing each other up its not my thing I rather concept newer ship designs.
I say the current interation of local not reconizing who is logged in and who isnt is by far the best interation second to local's removal I dont see why you are crying over it. Imagine AFK cloaking a system without using a cloak!? Use a 1 day rookie alt and just log off and go about doing other things on your main.
CCP listens they just dont like the whining uninformative tones to be honest.
Also the sub numbers didn't show a massive despike during incarna and it quickly recovered before the expansion cycle ended.
Also a little blue bird told me that you wheren't the brigest in the family taking everything for surface value and not digging deep enough on how to greif with it.
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Mini Mizer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:35:00 -
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wasnt suprised to see a thread like this but the tree system stinks, the unified inv still stinks. glad it is working for you since I think you kinda posted in January you wanted it to be designed similar to this mess that was foisted on everyone.
'Windowfying' Eve
Solution: Major discussion required for refinment well beyond what is mentioned here.
Merging Assests, Hanger Items, Ships into one convient window would be a godsend in my opinion Managing to shove market and contracts into this as well a bit iffy but if can be done in a simple concise manner should be pursued none the less.
and you sure do like to play in the forums - congrats
curious are you getting isk from ccp. :) i for one do not mind people talking about unsubbing or actually unsubbing. it's definitely thier money and thier time and if a business wants to keep that cash coming in they should listen to what they are saying.
make it a great day!
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1914
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:36:00 -
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I can tell you haven't glanced at the forums of many multiplayer games. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
666
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Posted - 2012.07.11 10:37:00 -
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Oh how spoiled are we, the customers, asking for a company which we pay monthly, in addition to doing their beta testing for free, not to release a product full of well documented bugs and missing features.
How spoiled are we, because we get slightly offended, when a feature request in a feedback thread is met with a "you're doing it wrong, suck it" response. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
564
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Posted - 2012.07.11 10:38:00 -
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I'm spoiled. I was the first to be spoiled. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

Mallak Azaria
302
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Posted - 2012.07.11 10:44:00 -
[38] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Maybe more of the wow/tor/sto kids are comming over and we're having to deal with a new brand of immaturity, cluelessness, and undeservings.
Not empty quoting. |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
305
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 10:54:00 -
[39] - Quote
Is this the competition where you're giving away some some ISK to the most spoiled looking avatar? Post with your monkey. |

March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion Red Alliance
213
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 11:35:00 -
[40] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Generic Complaining is most unhelpful to anyone. It's not particularly generic thoughGǪ Yes, slower. The UI itself is slower due to all the additional crap it has to populate itself with and the constant need to adjust and/or reset what you're looking at means you're spending time doing other things than moving items around. only one slow thing i know: when i repackage lots of ships/containers it gets laggy for few seconds. That's all.. 
Tippia wrote:Mirime Nolwe wrote:People cry about anyting atm. Aside from a few people crying about the amount of complaints, no really, no. Most of the displeasure is quite concentrated to a couple of key areas. let me guess: these "key areas" are anything changed in game for last 2 years? |

Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 11:47:00 -
[41] - Quote
Itt a few people argue that putting things in perspective is a bad thing. |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
667
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 11:56:00 -
[42] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:only one slow thing i know: when i repackage lots of ships/containers it gets laggy for few seconds. That's all.. 
Opening a corporation hangar.
Before: Click a button in the station screen.
After: Open your cargohold (or any other inventory, completely unrelated to the corp hangar). Wait for the contents to load. Roll out the tree view. Wait for the rollout animation. (Before you call me for nitpicking: this animation takes about a second, and the window is unresponsive during it. A second you say? Well, the whole process took less than this with the old inventory.) Scroll down to the corporation hangar. Click the corporation hangar label to expand the list of divisions. Wait for the expanding animation. Click the division you want to see.
There. Now you know two. |

Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1396
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Posted - 2012.07.11 12:02:00 -
[43] - Quote
Tippia wrote:[The inventory system suffers from design issues, which are much more tricky to fix, and they affect one of the most used and most critical systems in the game GÇö something everyone have to deal with unless they only ever use EVE as an IRC client. Honestly, the most used and most critical systems in the game are the overview window and it's relevant 'childs' (selected objects, targeted objects, fleet window, watchlist and drones). In all their wisdom, CCP chose inventory window instead. Don't like spaceships sandbox? then this is not the game for you. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |

Diablo Ex
Red-Five
70
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Posted - 2012.07.11 12:03:00 -
[44] - Quote
A thread about an OP crying about forum poaster crying about stuff....... and people are crying about it.... makes me want to cry about that! Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem" |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
667
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 12:03:00 -
[45] - Quote
Sarah Schneider wrote:Tippia wrote:[The inventory system suffers from design issues, which are much more tricky to fix, and they affect one of the most used and most critical systems in the game GÇö something everyone have to deal with unless they only ever use EVE as an IRC client. Honestly, the most used and most critical systems in the game are the overview window and it's relevant 'childs' (selected objects, targeted objects, fleet window, watchlist and drones). In all their wisdom, CCP chose inventory window instead.
There are quite a lot of people (and even more characters) who never see the overview in their lifetime. |

The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
514
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 12:07:00 -
[46] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:I've been playing Eve for a good 6 years now and I have to say this is by far the worst spoiled crying over fresh milk unspilt I have ever seen.
By Amarr I swear some of these pilots would complain if you try to hang them with a rope that wasn't new and the tree thats been dead for a while and grew sorta low.
I diagnose thee with Bitterstone Veteritis. People who think they are bitter vets just becuase something changed on them that challenges the way they where taught to play. A real better vet would rather complain about the FPS drop because of launchers and still demanding a tactical command mode view or complaining about a non related feature impacting thier game play.
There are those with legitimate concerns complains and quite valid disgruntlement that would win them most of new eden if they ever campaign on it but this is getting drowned out over something quite rather silly to complain about.
Remember the old font? Not the one they swapped out last year to allow UI scaling to happen. The one way well before titans floated about, that was declared not 'sci-fi' enough was one reason for its removal. What about the visual D-Scanner that showed all the obecjts in a small minimap in the corner the one that current tactical overlay replaced? What the lot of you need to do is understand, anticipate, and adapt AHEAD of time to all these changes. If you cant manage that do yourself a favor and take a vacation then come back and play again, you will quickly forget the older interface.
This isnt like incarna gate where the feature added no value to the game aside from foundationing for future stuff. This update had end products that are immediably enjoyable added value with only requiring minor tweaks in the future instead of major several expansions worth of overhauls and addiums to fix.
I mean seriously this is almost as silly as the one player I had the displeasure of talking to whining about how the escrow system was better for sending and receiving items and his ignorant refusal to use the new contract system costed him a bet of 100 million isk all because he didnt want to use contracts when I issued him one.
Just because you shot the statue in jita once doesnt mean you are going to be heard again shooting it. At this point nobody is taking you seriously over the UI interface.
Want attention still? Here's a suggestion for a bigger scene blow up the luminare titan that will get attention regardless. Blame the caldari for the software update to the inventory UI.
Either way heres to changing excel spreadsheet in space and changing it to windows in space.
Also I see this being very unlikely reversed, so to make better use of your tears you better start suggestings quick, inuitive, and smarter ways to get something to your liking. like drag and drop a folder in space auto opens a new window without the rest of the tree listed.
BTW I don't see why everyone is saying look at an OS UI for a better understanding. Last time I checked every major OS has the tree function built in and its almost default on all of them. Also like most major OSs out there, Cntl V Cntl A and Shift Drag works rather well.
Those with the foggy crystal ball for fortune telling the future have much more massive issues to complain that would warrent a jita shootout of epic porportios about but for now most of them are making thier hedge bets and hope to come out on top after the dust of when those features are implimented. Those who dont come out on top will definelty be bakc in this fourum whining like a hyena for sure.
I agree wholeheartedly. |

Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 12:29:00 -
[47] - Quote
No seriously, OP has got the right of it. You forum whiners really need to get some damn perspective. |

Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 12:45:00 -
[48] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:I've been playing Eve for a good 6 years now and I have to say this is by far the worst spoiled crying over fresh milk unspilt I have ever seen.
By Amarr I swear some of these pilots would complain if you try to hang them with a rope that wasn't new and the tree thats been dead for a while and grew sorta low.
I diagnose thee with Bitterstone Veteritis. People who think they are bitter vets just becuase something changed on them that challenges the way they where taught to play. A real better vet would rather complain about the FPS drop because of launchers and still demanding a tactical command mode view or complaining about a non related feature impacting thier game play.
There are those with legitimate concerns complains and quite valid disgruntlement that would win them most of new eden if they ever campaign on it but this is getting drowned out over something quite rather silly to complain about.
Remember the old font? Not the one they swapped out last year to allow UI scaling to happen. The one way well before titans floated about, that was declared not 'sci-fi' enough was one reason for its removal. What about the visual D-Scanner that showed all the obecjts in a small minimap in the corner the one that current tactical overlay replaced? What the lot of you need to do is understand, anticipate, and adapt AHEAD of time to all these changes. If you cant manage that do yourself a favor and take a vacation then come back and play again, you will quickly forget the older interface.
This isnt like incarna gate where the feature added no value to the game aside from foundationing for future stuff. This update had end products that are immediably enjoyable added value with only requiring minor tweaks in the future instead of major several expansions worth of overhauls and addiums to fix.
I mean seriously this is almost as silly as the one player I had the displeasure of talking to whining about how the escrow system was better for sending and receiving items and his ignorant refusal to use the new contract system costed him a bet of 100 million isk all because he didnt want to use contracts when I issued him one.
Just because you shot the statue in jita once doesnt mean you are going to be heard again shooting it. At this point nobody is taking you seriously over the UI interface.
Want attention still? Here's a suggestion for a bigger scene blow up the luminare titan that will get attention regardless. Blame the caldari for the software update to the inventory UI.
Either way heres to changing excel spreadsheet in space and changing it to windows in space.
Also I see this being very unlikely reversed, so to make better use of your tears you better start suggestings quick, inuitive, and smarter ways to get something to your liking. like drag and drop a folder in space auto opens a new window without the rest of the tree listed.
BTW I don't see why everyone is saying look at an OS UI for a better understanding. Last time I checked every major OS has the tree function built in and its almost default on all of them. Also like most major OSs out there, Cntl V Cntl A and Shift Drag works rather well.
Those with the foggy crystal ball for fortune telling the future have much more massive issues to complain that would warrent a jita shootout of epic porportios about but for now most of them are making thier hedge bets and hope to come out on top after the dust of when those features are implimented. Those who dont come out on top will definelty be bakc in this fourum whining like a hyena for sure.
No been playing for 9 years, give them props when they do great stuff and complain when they don't. The UI they were warned about in testing, I even posted before go live in the testing forum that I felt sorry for the devs for the amount of stick they were going to get.
I pay to play, its not free, I don't mind change, actually I like it as it keeps the game fresh, but if you break something like the UI and go live with it despite the negative feedback from your testers and player base then its an own goal.
Who are you to dictate what is a valid complaint or not. Its all valid to the person complaining.
As for the UI the idea was to get rid of multiple windows (who's bright idea that was I don't know), and what do we have now, yey multiple windows, which are still worse than what we used to have.
0/10 for fail post.
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
799
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 13:06:00 -
[49] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:....(Lot's of other good commentary).... Those who dont come out on top will definelty be bakc in this fourum whining like a hyena for sure.
You're quite right Nova. CCP should seriously consider a forum labelled "Daily Whinery" or some such name and move all and any whine posts out of General Discussion in the whine forums. Let the whiners revel and whine in their own forums. Perhaps then "General Discussion" can be just that, discussion, not whine-noughts.
I will admit that I was initally dissapointed with the new UI. It took me all of 2 days to do a 180 dregree on my initial impressions. I love the new UI and the filters are potent. The fact that I can drop a window in space helps a lot, for many things. I love the new UI and the underlying power it gives me to keep a track of my goods, wherever I might be.
o7
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1144
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 13:39:00 -
[50] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Those who dont come out on top will definelty be bakc in this fourum whining like a hyena for sure. Buff the Hyena My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
111
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 14:24:00 -
[51] - Quote
Guy who does not pvp in a pvp game says deal with the UI lol.
Ui sucks anyone who pvps faster than a dead mouse knows this it slows down EVERYTHING you do. |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sev3rance
90
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 14:35:00 -
[52] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Mirime Nolwe wrote:People cry about anyting atm. With Incarna i agree that something had to be done, but now.. Its just anoying little brats that want everything and anything at the same time.
Does the majority of players are women with PMS? Maybe more of the wow/tor/sto kids are comming over and we're having to deal with a new brand of immaturity, cluelessness, and undeservings.
Sorry but the EvE Community is a 100% more immature then the wow/tor/sto crowd. They are not even close. The EvE community thinks because they play EvE they are so much better then the "other" gamers which is a joke. |

Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
180
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 14:54:00 -
[53] - Quote
tl;dr
Just to say that I'm 6yo vet too... and darn clones are getting really expensive. |

Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
53
|
Posted - 2012.07.11 14:58:00 -
[54] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Complaining that one of the most important interfaces in the game has lost functionality and been made slower
I don't get this. To me it is just as fast and useable as it used to be, in certain ways even better. Sure there are still a few kinks in the system, but nothing as drastic as people keep drumming on about. I don't use POSes but I've understood their interface has been improved by now. |

Mini Mizer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.07.14 06:40:00 -
[55] - Quote
my 14 year old even liked to play and liked to sort through all the loot but he was like um this totally isn't fun anymore your on your own. half the loot screen is taken up with viewing stuff you don't need to see if your looking at the loot. xtra clicks just mean were going to need to buy a new mouse and keyboard dad.
so maybe there is just an age group that likes it or a specific self flogging type of personality.
but to me it's as useless as a pusfilled zit. |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
15
|
Posted - 2012.07.14 10:45:00 -
[56] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Slower? Once I had all my filters setup I am blazing though my daily tasks like a plasma knife though melted butter.
I'm not complaining about the new ui in general. But you should'nt have to "set up" the ui to improve performance. In this case something would indeed be wrong. |

Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
794
|
Posted - 2012.07.14 11:14:00 -
[57] - Quote
We'll soon have to create a bitterforumvet that has grown bitter with the amount of bittervets from the game spewing bitterness on the forums. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1486
|
Posted - 2012.07.14 16:02:00 -
[58] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Moore's Law is quickly comming to an end. To the point we see it in sight now on some super experimental computers. Also its every 8 weeks these days not 18 months. Average time until your newest and latestest is out of date is about 2 weeks at most. Moore's law may well be ending, but the rate of performance increase is not going to change terribly. Except perhaps to slow down somewhat as companies begin to focus more on power consumption, noise levels and heat generation for consumer products.
Nova Fox wrote:I say the current interation of local not reconizing who is logged in and who isnt is by far the best interation second to local's removal I dont see why you are crying over it. Imagine AFK cloaking a system without using a cloak!? Use a 1 day rookie alt and just log off and go about doing other things on your main.
CCP listens they just dont like the whining uninformative tones to be honest. Local being removed entirely would require a considerable amount of work, but for what it's worth I quite enjoyed that brief period where local stopped working perfectly. I even made a thread on devaluing local intel that was inspired by it.
That said, this thread's original hatred of player's expressing their dissatisfaction with CCP is IMHO misguided. While I am not one of the vocal "zomg I'm going to shoot a statue" players, I am happy that they exist.
CCP seem to have on a number of occasions done some very silly things, and reading the employee reviews of CCP as an employer this would appear to be a management issue. Negative criticism is often not taken well, or outright ignored, even when provided by concerned employees. Sometimes players kicking up a fuss en masse is simply the best way to get things done.
The UI changes are a perfect example, on release they simply were not ready. The release date should have been pushed back, the criticism should have been listened to. Just because the UI was adequate for you does not mean it did not anger some of us "power users" who triple box etc. and like everything to run smoothly.
The end result has been a considerable improvement on the old UI, although I am still yet to test it's performance when looting and salvaging large numbers of wrecks. But for a considerable amount of time after release I was unable to run wormholes as salvaging and looting became such a PITA.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
112
|
Posted - 2012.07.14 16:16:00 -
[59] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:I am not a carebare, just because I suck at killing people doesn't mean I must be doing something every carebaer does. I just cant fund pvp activities at all and If I was a real carebare my corp office wouldnt complain about the lack of payements to keep the office doors open. Also there is more than one way to skin a cat, the damage I've done elsewhere cannot be easily measured... well maybe if you can count the number of killboards and vacant team speak servers no longer in use would be one metric I guess. The problem with skinning cats this way though is that there are no leftovers to scavange though to make money off of and it always costs money to make it happen this way.
I also cannot afford let alone use photoshop, if you want extremly horrible UI adobe photoshop HAS IT. and even If I did I typically don't draw scenery of ships blowing each other up its not my thing I rather concept newer ship designs.
I say the current interation of local not reconizing who is logged in and who isnt is by far the best interation second to local's removal I dont see why you are crying over it. Imagine AFK cloaking a system without using a cloak!? Use a 1 day rookie alt and just log off and go about doing other things on your main.
CCP listens they just dont like the whining uninformative tones to be honest.
Also the sub numbers didn't show a massive despike during incarna and it quickly recovered before the expansion cycle ended.
Also a little blue bird told me that you wheren't the brigest in the family taking everything for surface value and not digging deep enough on how to greif with it.
LOL nice TRY to sound smart... 1 day old alt can't cloak LOL so who gives a **** you do not even understand how AFK cloaking works carebear. No one would care about a 1 day old
Just proving more and more you have NO idea how this game works, you suck at this game... etc etc.
Also lol @ "well XYZ has a bad UI" again who gives a ****... eve HAD A GOOD UI...
DO tell us what do you even do in this game.
Anyone who plays this game... and is not ******** (so that cuts down quite a few)
Could dock and swap ships 5 times faster than now.
Could ninja loot a wreck going 3k (can't pretty much can NOT ninja now)
Could in general loot a wreck 5 times faster if just pressing "loot all" was not an option. 2x if it is.
Could move items around 3x faster. |

Boomhaur
100
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Posted - 2012.07.15 04:37:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ben playing this dang old game since 06 dang ol man, big complaint is dangit them old CCP GM fella over there been taking me ol beers before responding. Dan it beer ain't no free dang ol man put in work before dang ol responding big ol mistake am I right. Respond by clickidy clickidy click keyboard than dang ol grab dem beer an were all good. And nother thing dang ol Incarnia sucked ain't no one want to see dang old toon, we just wanna go clickidy clickidy click BOOM pop goes that dang ol ammarian she wan'nt cute anyway.  Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |

Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
422
|
Posted - 2012.07.15 04:45:00 -
[61] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:I've been playing Eve for a good 6 years now
Stopped reading right there.
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Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
212
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Posted - 2012.07.15 04:49:00 -
[62] - Quote
Just change it so when you enter Jita, all graphics and interface is reverted back to 2003. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4043
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:07:00 -
[63] - Quote
Go on vaction and come back to find this thread got necro'ed...
*Burns it with fire!
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
678
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 08:03:00 -
[64] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Go on vaction and come back to find this thread got necro'ed...
*Burns it with fire!
But all you really did was bump it. Good job, nimwit. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
626
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 08:19:00 -
[65] - Quote
wow a thread with people complaining about people complaining .
but yeah stamping your feet here in these forums seem to be occurring very often lately pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 09:48:00 -
[66] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote: I mean seriously this is almost as silly as the one player I had the displeasure of talking to whining about how the escrow system was better for sending and receiving items and his ignorant refusal to use the new contract system costed him a bet of 100 million isk all because he didnt want to use contracts when I issued him one.
So he did not trust the contract system and obviously did not trust you. Some people are overly cautious and take time to adapt.
Nova Fox wrote: Just because you shot the statue in jita once doesnt mean you are going to be heard again shooting it. At this point nobody is taking you seriously over the UI interface.
I don't think any mature person would think that would work a second time. It takes something serious to upset that many people, it's was also CCPs attitude at the time that escalated that crisis. I don't think CCP will make that mistake again.
The majority of your post is just a whine about people whining about change. Some people are resistant to change because the fear it'll lead to a dumbing down of the game which happens in a lot of other MMOs. Some people are just slow to adapt to change others resistant to it because they don't see the point of it.
I think the UI changes are fine although I'd not like to see the game get easier. Problem is sometimes the changes are so slow they're not noticed until it's too late as it's an accumulation of changes. So I understand some people being sceptical of those changes. I'm sure there will be plenty of other reasons. |

Lady Hofstedar
The Scope Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.07.19 09:59:00 -
[67] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:TLDR - WASTE OF TIME
Bottom line is pal, your not a bitter vet, your bitching about select issues other people have bitched about and have been changed and now want it changed back. You can write an essay all you like but the problem still remains to seen by any with half a brain cell.
I played in beta, i played from the start and I AM STILL HERE loving this game
People like you, go play other games
and the crack about wow players? I play wow, does that make me an immature kid? Because i play wow? Or because i WILL buy GW2 when it comes out?
Your post is about people getting shite changed, then complaining about the fact u dont like they got it changed and hiding underneath it *i want my old eve back*
The world moves on, evoloution, get with it or get left behind, this is not 2003, eve will change, wow changed, guild wars changed, mw changed, everything changes, les threads like this if u dont mind |

Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.07.19 10:12:00 -
[68] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:I am more annoyed at the fact I have to double open my character shee tto force it to load.
Not had any problems like that. Are you sure it's not a 3rd party piece of software/driver that's causing that? |
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