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Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.07.27 16:52:00 - [1] I don't think I'm asking for much here, but the Scorpion's damage could use a little work. I like dps and jamming (hence why I like Rooks). My suggestion is to take the 4/4 split on the Scorpion's 6 high slots, and make it 6/6. Either allow for 6 unbonused launchers, or 6 unbonused turrets. Also every other race's tier 1 BS has the largest drone bay of its class. - Domi 350 - Armageddon 150 - Typhoon 175 Can we increase the Scorpion drone bay from 75? We gave the Rook and falcon a drone bay - why not boost the drone bay of the scorpion. It would be nice to have more than 3 large drones on this ship. I know the Minmatar BS have split weapon systems, but at least they have a damage bonus to help offset it. I don't want to change the Scorpion's bonuses. It should remain focused on jamming, but it would be nice to have it do more dps than a T1 cruiser. - 6 similar weapon slots - drone bay increased to 125 or at least 100 Thoughts? Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
Hanso Sparxx Deep Penetration Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.27 17:00:00 - [2] I'd still fit the scorp with 2 utility high slots regardless. ------------------ Go Deep!
Myra2007 Shafrak Industries	Posted - 2009.07.27 17:03:00 - [3] Say what? My geddon has 150m¦ drone space now? Oh well i really should play more. As for the scorpion unlike the rook it has a range bonus. CCP taunted us with a more close range focused version but the 0.0 guys complained and oh well... Personally i'd say yes to the turret/missile thing but no to 125m¦. Also 2-2-1 combo gives more dps than 3 heavies so you may want to change your drone loadout. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.07.27 17:05:00 - [4] More hardpoints, probably not. But more hardpoints AND a bigger drone bay? That's getting dangerously close to making the Raven obsolete, giving the Scorpion the same dps but with two free mids for ECM. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.07.27 17:07:00 - [5] Not a troll but I'm not sure what the point of this would be. If you want to do damage just pick a different Caldari BS.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.07.27 17:08:00 - [6] I do like the idea of a Caldari ship being able to take full advantage of their racial sentry drones' high optimal. Mmmmmm, long-range jamming sentry scorp. I'd fly one. As for the weapons issue, the last two slots are for neuts, since at some point you will screw up and get tackled by something while your jam cycles are active. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.07.27 17:24:00 - [7] 6 siege launchers, 2 neuts mwd, scram, web, 4x ECM, LSE Fitting mods/BCUs/SDAs/whatever ???
Veliria	Posted - 2009.07.27 17:26:00 - [8] The Scorpion isn't an assault vessel like the Armageddon, Dominix or the Typhoon. It has a dedicated ECM role, one it does very well for a good price and range. In a gang, a Scorp at optimal range (100km+ away) can be a nightmare for an enemy fleet. It still has 6 highslots available to defend itself against small stuff (heavy neut?). Scorpion isn't there to do damage, it's there to prevent the enemy from doing it. Drones aren't the weapon of choice for the Caldari (quite the opposite). Falcon and Rook are T2 ships, costing a 100mil without the T1 insurance. It's current 75m3 means it can field 5 Vespa EC-600s and still have 5 Warrior IIs against Inties. The only thing the Scorpion needs is to have its one wing copied and flipped, if not purely for looking evil. I'd love for the Scorpion to capable of doing more damage (small gang or even solo boat), but it has a unique and well defined role that I don't think should be messed with.
Kismo	Posted - 2009.07.27 17:35:00 - [9] Originally by: AstroPhobic 6 siege launchers, 2 neuts mwd, scram, web, 4x ECM, LSE Fitting mods/BCUs/SDAs/whatever ??? IIRC the Scorp has 6 highs. Also, I was a huge fan of the "assault" scorpion they previously suggested (5% ROF, 30% Jam Strength, no Optimal bonus)
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.07.27 17:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Kismo Originally by: AstroPhobic 6 siege launchers, 2 neuts mwd, scram, web, 4x ECM, LSE Fitting mods/BCUs/SDAs/whatever ??? IIRC the Scorp has 6 highs. Also, I was a huge fan of the "assault" scorpion they previously suggested (5% ROF, 30% Jam Strength, no Optimal bonus) So it would have the damage of the raven, but instead of a buffer it would have ecm+str? I don't know, 1100 DPS, full tackle, painters, and bonused ECM seems like a bit much. I don't have EFT open so I can't really check what would fit, but theory-like it would be the ultimate gang DPS/EWAR
Footoo Rama Gallente Caldari Illuminati	Posted - 2009.07.27 18:41:00 - [11] Caldari ships are not going to get drone bays for the same reason Gallante is not going to get missals on their BS's. The scorp gets 75m3 which means it can fit 5 small II and 5 medium II's, there is really no need to fly sentries on any unbonused drone ship. They just do not really work unless you are in a domi or an ishtar, with 2x omni tracking links. The small and mids allow you protection from fast frigs and cruiser sized ships your guns/missals are to big to effectively hit. At least the Scorpion is the only dedicated T1 Bs in the game. It is the only big ECM boat out there, what it can do is really impressive effectively taking multiple ships out of a fleet battle. Could be worse you could have the Hyperion, which arguably is not better then the Megathron as a Blaster boat, due to speed and price. Your proposal would give the Scorp, a tank, gank, and ecm fit to drool over. Currently the dps is not optimal with the fit to make up for the ecm ownage this boat can do. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Kismo	Posted - 2009.07.27 19:06:00 - [12] Originally by: AstroPhobic So it would have the damage of the raven, but instead of a buffer it would have ecm+str? I don't know, 1100 DPS, full tackle, painters, and bonused ECM seems like a bit much. I don't have EFT open so I can't really check what would fit, but theory-like it would be the ultimate gang DPS/EWAR It also only has 4/4 missile/turret hardpoints, IIRC. The idea itself wasn't so bad - it can't run with 3 BCS and 3 SDAs without giving up rig slots and having **** all for EHP. In fact, the thing that really shot it down was that everyone wanted their 250km ECM ships, and what they got instead was the worst of both worlds: Fleet ECM operating in deep falloff and no survivability up close where ECM works.
demonfurbie Minmatar Kinky Killing Kleptomaniacs BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.07.27 19:30:00 - [13] if ya want dmg on a scorp fit 4 torps 2 blasters but tbh its fine the way it is really i fit torps and nuuets
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.07.27 19:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Kismo Originally by: AstroPhobic So it would have the damage of the raven, but instead of a buffer it would have ecm+str? I don't know, 1100 DPS, full tackle, painters, and bonused ECM seems like a bit much. I don't have EFT open so I can't really check what would fit, but theory-like it would be the ultimate gang DPS/EWAR It also only has 4/4 missile/turret hardpoints, IIRC. The idea itself wasn't so bad - it can't run with 3 BCS and 3 SDAs without giving up rig slots and having **** all for EHP. In fact, the thing that really shot it down was that everyone wanted their 250km ECM ships, and what they got instead was the worst of both worlds: Fleet ECM operating in deep falloff and no survivability up close where ECM works. I thought the OP was proposing just that, 6 launcher/turret hardpoints. IIRC it has a ROF bonus and ECM bonus? It would be a bit nasty with 6 torps and ECM.
kessah Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.27 19:33:00 - [15] /signed. This would be awesome to see implemented.
Kismo	Posted - 2009.07.27 19:40:00 - [16] Originally by: AstroPhobic I thought the OP was proposing just that, 6 launcher/turret hardpoints. IIRC it has a ROF bonus and ECM bonus? It would be a bit nasty with 6 torps and ECM. The ROF bonus was canned. It's ECM Str/ECM Opt still, 6 (4/4)/8/4 layout.
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.07.27 20:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Kismo Originally by: AstroPhobic I thought the OP was proposing just that, 6 launcher/turret hardpoints. IIRC it has a ROF bonus and ECM bonus? It would be a bit nasty with 6 torps and ECM. The ROF bonus was canned. It's ECM Str/ECM Opt still, 6 (4/4)/8/4 layout. Right, carry on then.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.07.28 05:40:00 - [18] Where are you guys quoting overpowered stats? How would a 6 high slot unbonused ship compete with a Raven? Keep in mind in order to jam the dps damage slots are either SDA or armor tank. I'm asking for more dps than a cruiser. As for utility slots - you could still have them - I just want the option to fit up some more dps if I wanted. I'm editing the OP to fix the geddon's stats I meant 125. Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.28 08:01:00 - [19] A ship, thats even better then my already awesome Raven? I would like it, but maby a tad overpowerd :P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Ladett	Posted - 2009.07.28 11:30:00 - [20] Lets make the Scorp into a Raven. ummm silly question. but ur trying to get the Scorp upgraded. The ship you want to make is already out there!! >>>>>> WIDOW <<<<<<< No more is needed to be said!!!
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.28 11:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Ladett Lets make the Scorp into a Raven. ummm silly question. but ur trying to get the Scorp upgraded. The ship you want to make is already out there!! >>>>>> WIDOW <<<<<<< No more is needed to be said!!! Well, widow got the bridge thing, thats all it useful for really. What I'd like for teh scorp is a bit more ECM strenght bonus, but I guess thats asking too much :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Shinnen Caldari Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2009.07.28 11:48:00 - [22] Can anybody remind me of the Scorp's bonuses before they became a dedicated ECM ship? Or did it always have ECM bonuses and it's Bhe blackbird I'm thinking of...
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.07.28 15:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Ladett Lets make the Scorp into a Raven. ummm silly question. but ur trying to get the Scorp upgraded. The ship you want to make is already out there!! >>>>>> WIDOW <<<<<<< No more is needed to be said!!! sigh Maybe you're trolling - but if you're not... I'm not asking for a Raven. I want the same slot config - I just want the 6 high slots to be unified. Either 6 missiles or 6 turrets should be a possibility. It won't have the Raven's damge or range bonus for missiles. It will still only have 4 low slots - which will be used for either armor tanking or for ewar mods, to take advantage of its ecm bonuses. I want the Caldari tier 1 BS to have the most drones out of the Caldari BS - just like every other race's tier 1 BS has. Its not overpowered - but it would keep it from being the semi-crappy ship it is now. Also telling me that the ship I already want is a T2 blackops.... c'mon. I don't want a ship with the price tag of a carrier. Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
Lili Lu Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships	Posted - 2009.07.28 17:10:00 - [24] Look, you have the only EW BS, and you still complain? Maybe give it 5 hardpoints, but not 6 (unless you want to give the geddon 8 hardpoints and the phoon a 6/6 option. As for increased drone bay, no. Caldari is not known for drones, again unless you want to give Gallente and Amarr battleships real missile options. The 25m3 dronebay for the rook was a mistake. It's like the Osprey having more dronage than the scythe. Makes no sense to the backstory. Basically, leave things as they are with the Scorpion, except maybe a 5th hardpoint.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.07.28 17:12:00 - [25] As others proposed, if anything give it a 125 bandwidth and drone bay so it can use 5x heavy ECM drones or wardens. No more boost would really be needed. -------- Ideas for: Mining
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.07.28 17:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Lili Lu Look, you have the only EW BS, and you still complain? Maybe give it 5 hardpoints, but not 6 (unless you want to give the geddon 8 hardpoints and the phoon a 6/6 option. As for increased drone bay, no. Caldari is not known for drones, again unless you want to give Gallente and Amarr battleships real missile options. The 25m3 dronebay for the rook was a mistake. It's like the Osprey having more dronage than the scythe. Makes no sense to the backstory. Basically, leave things as they are with the Scorpion, except maybe a 5th hardpoint. The Scorpion does not need a boost, Seriously. And the Caldari Do not need ANY BATTLESHIPS with a 125 drone bay, They are not a drone race. Others have stated it but its correct, you have the ONLY EWAR battleship in the game unless you want to count the Bhaelgorn, and you want it to do damage as well? --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one."
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2009.07.28 17:29:00 - [27] 125 m3 drone bay would be sweet. By the way, all the other races have a BS that can field 5 heavy drones/sentries. Are all other races drone races?
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.07.28 17:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Beverly Sparks 125 m3 drone bay would be sweet. By the way, all the other races have a BS that can field 5 heavy drones/sentries. Are all other races drone races? Gallente is the drone race, Amarr is the only other race that has dedicated drone ships outside of the Carriers, Minmatar are noted Jacks of all trades and thus have split weapon systems and large drone bays on there ships. Caldari do not have any dedicated drone ships outside of the Carriers, Caldari tend to have smaller drone bays when compaired to other ships of the same class / tier. Also the ****ing scorpion does not need a boost. Its a freaking scorpion. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one."
Lili Lu Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships	Posted - 2009.07.28 17:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Beverly Sparks 125 m3 drone bay would be sweet. By the way, all the other races have a BS that can field 5 heavy drones/sentries. Are all other races drone races? To a certain extent yes. Amarr has the recons and a cruiser with drone bonuses, and an EAF and BS with large(r) dronebays. Amarr also has Khanid ships which also use missiles but only get a bonus for the short range varieties, and the Curse's missile hardpoints compete with it's neut slots. Minmatar is a mix, has pretty good dronebays and missile slots but not always bonused. Gallente, well dronage is their thing, missiles not (lol at anyone who mentions the Lachesis). Dronage is not the Caldari's thing. Missiles, and ugh ECM, are. Sure it would be "sweet" because a 125m3 dronebay, 30% ECM bonus, 8 midslots, and 6 hardpoints would be overpowered. Imagine 2 or 3 multi ECM, 6 blasters, and 5 x Lg sensor damp drones. No other BS (and quite a few other ships) would lock and survive a 1v1.
Regat Kozovv Caldari Alcothology	Posted - 2009.07.29 04:27:00 - [30] Originally by: SuiJuris Also the ****ing scorpion does not need a boost. Its a freaking scorpion. This. I'm a huge fan of the Scorp, but I have to agree. This is a support BS. That being said, having 5 or 6 hardpoints would be useful; I could see 5 being a good comprimise. I think the OPs frustration is that the Scorp forces a split weapon system if trying to fit for DPS (but why???) which just doesn't work. I think the drone bay is more or less fine. 75 lets you field three groups of lights, and since you're going to be operating in a support role anyways, that's perfect for a flight or two of RR drones and maybe some lights if something comes your way. I rather like that the Scorp encourages two utility slots, or a unique weapon layout (How about smartbombs? ) But it's just a fact that this battleship was never intended for direct firepower, no matter how much one may want it to fill that role. While it might be nice to have something in between the Rook and the Widow (or I should say, the Blackbird and the Rook if we're looking at price. =P ) I think it's noteworthy as others have mentioned that the Caldari are the only ones with a BS-class EWAR ship. For heavy 0.0 fleets and wormhole expeditions, there's simply no other ship that can fill it's role. Adding DPS to it's CV starts moving it towards the imbalanced side.

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