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Dietrich III
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:48:00 -
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As someone who doesn't own a console (and most likely won't get a PS3/Xbox), I'm still excited for Dust 514.I understand why CCP wanted to go console-only and that's fine too. I want Dust to succeed because it will add depth to EVE. I like what I see in terms of gameplay and the impact EVE players can have on Dust players (nuke it from orbit!).
What I fail to see, and what the Dust keynote from fanfest and the transcribed roundtable failed to make clear was what impact Dust players would have on the EVE players in space. What's all this fighting about? Why should we care about spending hundreds of millions of ISK on some guy shooting some other guy on a planet? If it's about PI, it's laughable.
Very few players use PI as their primary source of income. Most who do it use it as a supplementary, passive income. If I recall, wormholes are a significant source of PI production yet DUST will not extend to these planets. And if a planet WAS rendered useless to a specific group of PI-users because some guy paid some mercs on consoles to blow stuff up, what's the big deal? You can drop another 10 million ISK on another planet and get stuff out of it in no time, while the EVE player who hired those mercs likely spent a lot more evicting you and won't get much at all in return.
Am I missing something here? Is PI going to suddenly link players, or corps/alliances together on a single planet to build valuable goods? Is planetary control going to influence sovereignty or perhaps produce moon minerals? Is that planetary-based, capital-ship-killing laser from the E3 trailer (and a Future Vision) going to be a reality? If so, why would anybody have a fleet fight over a planet anyways, aside from protecting a station or an Ihub?
If planets don't get revamped to contribute something valuable to alliances, if PI doesn't go through some radical improvements in the near future, I don't see Dust having any meaning to EVE politics. And that is the major selling point of the game: to create a lasting influence in a huge single-shard game world that spans multiple platforms.
So I ask again: why should we, the guys in the spaceships in the nullsec alliances that make their money off of moon minerals and ratting, care about the planets that will be fought over in DUST? |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:53:00 -
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People need a reason to shoot other people in the face?
To be honest all the reason I need is roleplay, shooting caldari in the face.
Remember most good FPS's get along despite the story. Its a bonus that CCP has more planned although when I play it
[hopefully tommorrow], it BETTER be a good FPS first and foremost. |
Dietrich III
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:57:00 -
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From what I can see, Dust's story is short and simple: it's the future and you have a clone body, and you're a merc.
The interesting part, and the big selling point that breaks new ground is how the game interacts with EVE. So shouldn't there be a lot of effort by the devs to make it clear just how Dust is going to be relevant to EVE? |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:05:00 -
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TL;DR
you should care because dust players will be in your corp, and asking for you to give them cover fire. Even if you never touch the game.
Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:19:00 -
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Ive heard rumors that ihubs and tcus may be required to be on planets. But... rumors.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:57:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:TL;DR
you should care because dust players will be in your corp, and asking for you to give them cover fire. Even if you never touch the game.
now you shaved your head??
Weren't you satisfied after that horrible fire? |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:48:00 -
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why wouldn't you care?
Dust doesn't need eve
Eve doesn't need dust
but together they are better.
the idea of dust and eve is the whole is greater then the sum of its parts.
Not a console player? no one cares about you, do your own thing. You don't have to use dust mercs, you don't need to play dust to be good at eve or vice versa. |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.25 04:44:00 -
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Good post. I agree that any development which adds depth to EVE is a good one. Though unpopular with many forum spergers, I'd go so far as to say that Walking in Stations (should it ever come) will also add depth to EVE, and therefore will be a good development. While not deeply concerned, I too would like to see a meaningful link between DUST and EVE. I bet CCP wants the same.
Though I think before CCP can commit to creating such a link, they'll need to assess the climate and community which DUST player create. If their play style ends up being similar to ours - persistent, low turnover, enduring - then a deep link would be warranted and likely to persist without screwing one side or the other. But if the DUST player base winds up being similar to other FPSs - higher turnover, younger demographic, sporadic gaming habits - then a deep link would probably be unwise. |
Borachio Banquo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 05:04:00 -
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This is the same issue I perceived as well when I heard of dust. Wtf could this possibly do to make EVE more entertaining? There is going to have to be rewards for all players, new and old, for dust to link up From basic troop transport, weapon and vehicle production(economy boost), to actually having a high risk/high reward for EVE players that have stake in a planet. I agree that unless planets can be made to be huge bases of operations or mineral deposits or something, dust will not appeal to long time capsuleers and thus may suffer long term. But luckily, CCP likes to change things alot. So on going development will be nice.
I guess the number one thing to think about is the economy. There will be an initial boost, start stock piling minerals, but it may lag if planted not expanded. And when sm economy lags after a big splurge? Well, we know how that ends. |
Dietrich III
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:14:00 -
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Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Good post. I agree that any development which adds depth to EVE is a good one. Though unpopular with many forum spergers, I'd go so far as to say that Walking in Stations (should it ever come) will also add depth to EVE, and therefore will be a good development. While not deeply concerned, I too would like to see a meaningful link between DUST and EVE. I bet CCP wants the same.
Though I think before CCP can commit to creating such a link, they'll need to assess the climate and community which DUST player create. If their play style ends up being similar to ours - persistent, low turnover, enduring - then a deep link would be warranted and likely to persist without screwing one side or the other. But if the DUST player base winds up being similar to other FPSs - higher turnover, younger demographic, sporadic gaming habits - then a deep link would probably be unwise.
If CCP is taking this approach, I'll sit back and remain optimistic. I find it a little frustrating that they mention things in the Dust keynote about how Dust and EVE will make a meaningful impact on each other, but there is no elaboration or any specifics. Hopefully that gets revealed soon. |
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:15:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:MotherMoon wrote:TL;DR
you should care because dust players will be in your corp, and asking for you to give them cover fire. Even if you never touch the game. now you shaved your head?? Weren't you satisfied after that horrible fire?
Hey, it was a chemical fire, I needed lots of chemo
/
ny the way you should shave your head too : )
Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |
Jett0
Team Kitty Choke Slam
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:29:00 -
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I forget what interview I read this from, but AFAIK:
The interaction between EVE and Dust will initially be very minimal. This was a deliberate choice, in order to make sure Dust doesn't damage EVE's economy by suddenly introducing a new critical/necessary element to succeed at, say, PI.
As time progresses, the interaction will become more and more intertwined, but the idea is to keep Dust an optional, but advantageous part of advancement in EVE.
Occasionally plays sober |
Fi Vantage
Bristol Freedom Cooperative
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:42:00 -
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I've never heard anybody say how we're going to be making any money off the DUST players.
There was the bit at the fanfest dust keynote where Torfi said he was 'going to betray you and get all the money for myself' when they did the orbital bombardment demo, but has there been any other talk of money flow from dust to eve players? |
Jack bubu
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:03:00 -
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You should totally watch the "seeding the universe" presentation from fanfest as it will answer most of your questions or atleast hint at things (pretty much all of these details got left out in the keynote)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNmCRti9dFM&feature=relmfu |
Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:40:00 -
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Fi Vantage wrote:I've never heard anybody say how we're going to be making any money off the DUST players.
There was the bit at the fanfest dust keynote where Torfi said he was 'going to betray you and get all the money for myself' when they did the orbital bombardment demo, but has there been any other talk of money flow from dust to eve players?
Dust bunnies put up a contract for help/support with an orbital bombardment, EvE player comes along n see's contract 2 systems over in some low sec sys.
Goes, blows up bunch of players, gets paid by bunnies.
But it'd need to be a high enough reward for people to BOTHER to do so, as it's risking your ship |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:57:00 -
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This.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:16:00 -
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Borachio Banquo wrote: unless planets can be made to be huge bases of operations or mineral deposits or something
This would be cool in nullsec - planetary bases to complement station bases (eg: 6VDT, VFK, etc). With a garrison of mercs.
Though I'll admit if we get even more space-based outposts, I'll be more eager to want to look inside and interact with them... (negrep incoming) |
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