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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.29 09:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Confirmed you neither understand game mechanics nor have ever tried ninja salvaging.
Edit: Please inform us how, if newbies don't run level 4 missions, mission-stealing is going to victimize newbies?
A) where is your "this will apply only to level 4 missions" disclaimer? I see no point in your OP that limit it to any level missions;
B) A newbie can get level 4 missions in 50 days or even less and still be a newbie with lousy skills.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.29 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Confirmed you neither understand game mechanics nor have ever tried ninja salvaging.
Edit: Please inform us how, if newbies don't run level 4 missions, mission-stealing is going to victimize newbies?
A) where is your "this will apply only to level 4 missions" disclaimer? I see no point in your OP that limit it to any level missions;
B) A newbie can get level 4 missions in 50 days or even less and still be a newbie with lousy skills.
My evidence is empirical. As a participant and observer of the ninja salvaging community for over a year, I can report with confidence that:
1. Ninjas very rarely visit L1-L3 missions, as they are less lucrative, less funny, and more difficult to probe down anyway.
2. Most ninjas enjoy the challenge of being new players and/or using crap equipment to win against old players with good equipment.
So, while it is theoretically possible that mobs of new ninjas would suddenly join the profession with the sole intent of warping into level 1 missions and griefing newbies, there is no empirical evidence to suggest that this would happen. If it were going to happen with steal-able missions, why doesn't it happen with ninja salvaging? It is a non-problem.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.29 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
And you don't even know how standing work.
There is no way to leech faction standing from another player mission in any way (unless some new bug is introduced).
And corporation standing give no benefit if your faction standing is abysmal.
Duh! This is why my post is in Features and Ideas.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.29 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Starbreaker on 29/07/2009 18:37:16
Originally by: Nova Fox
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Confirmed you neither understand game mechanics nor have ever tried ninja salvaging.
Edit: Please inform us how, if newbies don't run level 4 missions, mission-stealing is going to victimize newbies?
Confirmed this guy knows alot less than I do.
Thanks for the list of 13 completely useless and irrelevant points that do not add to the discussion.
The game mechanics you don't understand are regarding ninja salvaging. You announced that (a) there are no ninja salvagers in eve because ninja salvaging is not feasible, and (b) if a ninja salvager baits you into shooting him, he will come back with 20 corpmates to gank you. You are wrong on both points. Your point (b) displays a profound ignorance of aggression mechanics.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:01:00 -
[35]
You know that trolling is against the forum rules, don't you?
Since this 'idea' makes no sense at all, it's hard to argue it's anything else than that.
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BSG75
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:29:00 -
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yea because there isnt enough thievery in this game already
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Rawbin Hood
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:46:00 -
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another thought, join a 0.0 corp, when you level a 100 man fleet it will give you that "I can Fight Back look at me" feeling your going for.... "Tears" you called it
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:53:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Nova Fox on 29/07/2009 19:56:51
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Edited by: Joe Starbreaker on 29/07/2009 18:37:16
Originally by: Nova Fox
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Confirmed you neither understand game mechanics nor have ever tried ninja salvaging.
Edit: Please inform us how, if newbies don't run level 4 missions, mission-stealing is going to victimize newbies?
Confirmed this guy knows alot less than I do.
Thanks for the list of 13 completely useless and irrelevant points that do not add to the discussion.
The game mechanics you don't understand are regarding ninja salvaging. You announced that (a) there are no ninja salvagers in eve because ninja salvaging is not feasible, and (b) if a ninja salvager baits you into shooting him, he will come back with 20 corpmates to gank you. You are wrong on both points. Your point (b) displays a profound ignorance of aggression mechanics.
Confirms the guy is very ignorant, doesnt properly interpet what I have to say and hasnt played the game from every possible angle because he just misquoted me and then countered with a well known lie.
Damage Corperate Property Flags you to the entire corp. Learn to FLAG.
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Ezevector
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:40:00 -
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People run missions to avoid bull**** like this. Stop trying to drag everyone else into your grief game.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.29 21:10:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Nova Fox
Damage Corperate Property Flags you to the entire corp. Learn to FLAG.
Stealing from a container or wreck flags you to the owner's corp. When a member of that corp exercises their right to fire on the thief, the thief only has aggro on that player only. The thief's corpmates do not gain any aggression rights.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
The Empire Nation
The Council.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
If quick and nimble, I may even make off with the mission item, which I can ransom back to the mission-runner.
please do correct me if im wrong, but i could swear i read somewhere that the devs had declared stealing the mission objective an exploit.
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Rahjadan Shardur
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.30 03:37:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Nova Fox
Damage Corperate Property Flags you to the entire corp. Learn to FLAG.
Stealing from a container or wreck flags you to the owner's corp. When a member of that corp exercises their right to fire on the thief, the thief only has aggro on that player only. The thief's corpmates do not gain any aggression rights.
This is correct: Shooting a thief does not give the thieves corp permission to shoot you. So if you fire at a ninja-looter you only have to worry about him, not his gang or corp.
It is also correct that ninja looters almost never visit lvl1 or lvl2 missions and only very seldomly lvl3 missions because there is just no reward in it to do so. Ninja looting is done for ether financial gain or to agress the mission runner and get a nice kill (with hopefully financial gain) bouth usualy done in lvl4 missions because it is not worthwhile in the lower ones.
Also some other player mentioned a solution to the Ninja looter problem earlyer: flag any intruding player in a mission towards the mission owner imediatly after arrival in the mission.
And: While it maybe dosn't make sense that the agent pays you if you kill stuff from someone elses contract it would make sense if you could sell the mission specific items to a rival agent. meaning you couldn't steal missions where the objective is just to kill stuff but the ones where you actualy have to bring something back to the agent. (imagine taking that damsel out of matari ar gallente space and selling it into amarian slavery.)
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.30 07:27:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Venkul Mul
And you don't even know how standing work.
There is no way to leech faction standing from another player mission in any way (unless some new bug is introduced).
And corporation standing give no benefit if your faction standing is abysmal.
Duh! This is why my post is in Features and Ideas.
Maybe you don't know it, but for a very limited period after the introduction of the shared missions it was possible. CCP deemed it a bug and removed the possibility immediately.
CCP don't want people to have any way to recover faction standing easily.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Eclats de verre
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Posted - 2009.07.30 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Eleana Tomelac on 30/07/2009 08:44:23
Originally by: Venkul Mul
So essentially it is against game rules only if you do that to new players in the starting systems.
Anyway, any griefing option is forbidden there. You can always petition for griefers in starter systems or find older players to kill them, for free (had much fun shooting can baiters in starter systems).
Joe states things like "if it's level 4, it's not newbies".
Well, people on their first level 4 missions, I consider them as newbies, at least for that part of the game. Also, many older players like to bring young players to lvl4s.
And for the part of mission stealing, LP stealing, standings stealing...
All the standings and LP system is about trust. Corporations trust pilots that worked hard and loyally for them, and by no way they want other people to interfere. A so called 'ninja' coming in the missions is only making the risk of mission failure higher, there's no point in taking such risk, it would be nonsense.
In missions with loot to return, the items are usually hostages of great value (we all knew a damsel at some point, right?) or secret information (stop the thief), you don't let outsiders do such job.
Saving hostages are never a race between several forces, or it ends in the loss of the hostage.
If something was to happen, it would be the corporation lowering your standing for interfering with the mission objective (unless you're in the mission leader fleet). Try to go a crime scene and gather stuff there to hand it to the police, they'll surely charge you for messing their crime scene rather than give you a thank.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:10:00 -
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If you really want to do a complete mission, just get one form an agent 
OPs idea is suggested for the sole purpouse fo griefing.
And what sens do it make for the agent to let you do this? Steal and aharss teh pilot who actualyl do taske for him? None.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.30 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rahjadan Shardur
And: While it maybe dosn't make sense that the agent pays you if you kill stuff from someone elses contract it would make sense if you could sell the mission specific items to a rival agent. meaning you couldn't steal missions where the objective is just to kill stuff but the ones where you actualy have to bring something back to the agent. (imagine taking that damsel out of matari ar gallente space and selling it into amarian slavery.)
I think this is an excellent idea and a great improvement on my original one. So instead of getting Gallente standings for screwing with Gallente mission runners, you might get Gallente standings from screwing with Caldari mission runners!
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 17:14:00 -
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some of the ideas in this thread are interesting and a nice change from the norm lol.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
i for one, like 8's that look like 9's lol
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ACE81
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Posted - 2009.07.30 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: ACE81 on 30/07/2009 19:38:20
Intriguing Ideas I propose A set of low sec and 0.0 agents that give level 6-10 missions and these should be PVP completable so care bears can play in peace and those that want competitive competition with very high isk rewards Via Bounty's and getting the mission objectives before some one else receive same said mission and beats you to it
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