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Negativestatus	Posted - 2009.07.30 04:25:00 - [1] Im curious to see how other corps handle access to their teamspeak servers. Do you setup a global password or assign one for every user. I've been debating between TS and Ventrilo due to the fact you can authenticate users in teamspeak with your own sql datbase. So how does everybody handle authentication?
Kehyshara	Posted - 2009.07.30 04:33:00 - [2] I use Vent for mine. You setup a password and give it only to your corp mates. The administrative gui shows you those that have logged in. Anyone not part of the corp you can ban from your server.
Negativestatus	Posted - 2009.07.30 04:35:00 - [3] Originally by: Kehyshara I use Vent for mine. You setup a password and give it only to your corp mates. The administrative gui shows you those that have logged in. Anyone not part of the corp you can ban from your server. So you setup a global pw? If someone leaves the corp, I'm guessing you just ban their IP?
Ethidium The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.30 04:39:00 - [4] Use vent. The voice quality is so much better. Unless you plan to add and remove more than 20 people on a daily basis, the administration of individual accounts isn't that bad. I personally use individual accounts to keep the riffraff out.
JamesTalon Caldari The Knights Templar	Posted - 2009.07.30 05:16:00 - [5] I do believe you can assign a password for individuals as well "Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day." - Robert Jordan
Negativestatus	Posted - 2009.07.30 05:39:00 - [6] thank you all for your replies.. it looks like Vent it is :)
Valeo Galaem New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit Sentient World Observation and Response Directive	Posted - 2009.07.30 05:51:00 - [7] My old alliance used TeamSpeak and some custom scripts in a very sophisticated setup. Our forums, killboard, and TS server were all integrated with their accounts. The killboard also tracked member performance and would automatically vet them for higher access permissions and roles on the forums or TS. Worked pretty slick. People will argue "Use Vent/TS, it sounds better" but the truth is they all use the same standardized codecs, just with different defaults. The server admin can make the server sound as good as they want, bandwidth allowing. Pick which is easier for you to maintain. For larger groups, especially alliances I can see TeamSpeak working better. Smaller corps, possibly Vent. Thar be Pirates You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe Your Wallet has been emptied! CONCORD Encryption Methods
Faife Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.07.30 06:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Ethidium Use vent. I think the voice quality is so much better, but that's because I don't understand that it's the same exact codec and that my TS admin is using less bandwidth. I'm pretty slow. fixed for you -- Check out my EVE cartoons
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.07.30 07:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Ethidium Use vent. The voice quality is so much better. The default codec for Ventrilo is much higher bitrate than the default codec for Teamspeak. The only difference between Ventrilo and Teamspeak when you use the same codec is about 20ms. IIRC Teamspeak does server-side mixing, so you use the same bandwidth regardless of how many people are speaking. Whereas on Ventrilo if you have enough people speaking on channel you'll flood your ADSL/Cable connection and get disconnected from the game. The Ventrilo folks have all this awesome stuff you can do with client-side mixing, but that assumes you have heaps of bandwidth to play with. Noone I know actually uses client-side mixing on Ventrilo, so it's really just a waste of bandwidth. Switch to Speex at anything over 10kbps and you're golden. Or just use EVE Voice, and put up with losing communication when EVE crashes :)
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.30 07:28:00 - [10] Quote: Or just use EVE Voice, and put up with losing communication when EVE crashes :) That wouldnt be that bad if eve voice wouldnt stop working half of the time in fleets at random moments.

Troetelbeer Caldari	Posted - 2009.07.30 07:32:00 - [11] The difference between Teamspeak and ventrilo is: Teamspeak is free. And on a sidenote; the entire bandwidth story = fail. Indeed Ventrilo uses a bit more bandwidth but that also increases the quality of the service. The client side mixing is indeed CLIENT SIDE. It does not increase the bandwidth useage (atleast not that I have noticed) and relies more on the CPU/Soundcard for tweaking. I personally think teamspeak is a bunch of shait. I used both for a long time, with the same settings - and ventrilo was always the better quality one. And especially during chatter, ventrilo wins the cake. Teamspeak is just rubbish. ---------------------------------------- Carebearing since 2008.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.07.30 07:36:00 - [12] I'd go for vent, it just sounds loads better and in this day and age who the heck complains about that little extra bandwidth.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.07.30 08:07:00 - [13] I would use vent as I feel it is a better VOIP service than TS but when you self host Vent it is limited to 8 people. TS I can have as many people as I want on self host. Or as much as my bandwidth can handle, had 36 people on TS 7 clients of FFXI running and my ***** brother was hooked up to utorrent seeding with very little lag. I live like 4 blocks away from a comcast hub though and my brother is an employee so we get the best they have to offer for minuscule amounts of dollars a month. I just wish Vent would go the way of TS and let us host as many players as we want as most mmo*s only want to use vent nowadays. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Reklan Amarr The Photon Raiders	Posted - 2009.07.30 09:53:00 - [14] We use Vent as well.. You can set up a password for guests, on for corpies and individual passwords as well.. Far better than TS for reliability and sound quality.. on the other hand TS has better API usaage to allow custom programming.. But still go for Vent for a excellent VOIP prog.
Miraqu Caldari Marquie-X Corp Atropos.	Posted - 2009.07.30 10:20:00 - [15] I left my old corp because they switched to vent. I'm not happy with TS either but at least it has a native client. Mumble is the way to go.
Lix Titrax K Directorate	Posted - 2009.07.30 11:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Lix Titrax on 30/07/2009 11:22:35 I have run a TS server for a couple previous corporations and have had great results. I used Speex 12.3kps and it worked great for clear voice comms, even for the guys who were still on dialup modems. I generally set a global password and if members left the corp I would just change the global. I would allow Directors to have an account on the server since I wanted them to have the ability to control channels. If a director left I deleted their account and changed the global password. I have not ever played with linking the TS server with an SQL DB, but that sounds like it would be neat to do. If you ever do try it, let me know how it goes. Ventrillo is great if you want to have multiple levels of subgroups and a lot features if you need them. But the real deal breaker for me was the fact that TS has clients for all three platforms (WIN/Mac/Linux) where Vent has no Linux client. I know some people have been able to get Vent to work under Wine, but it's hit and miss and has never worked for me. I've never had the opportunity to play with Mumble yet, but I've heard great things and it's open source, which is a plus in my book. Edit: I forgot to mention EVE-Voice. Right now I prefer it because it's integrated into the game, and I have had a great experience with it. No need to mess with setting of an out of game server.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.30 11:32:00 - [17] EVE voice is okish, still I'd like more option on the sound setting for each particiapnts, some are too hihg, other too low :P. Getting everyone to equalize their setting is a pain. Other then that Vent ftw. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.07.30 11:36:00 - [18] Mumble ftw. __________________
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.07.30 12:09:00 - [19] Originally by: RedClaws I'd go for vent, it just sounds loads better ... little extra bandwidth. You fail at the Internet. Teamspeak simply ships with a lower quality codec enabled by default. Switch it up to use the same codec as Ventrilo and guess what? It sounds exactly the same with the advantage that 10 people talking at once won't get you killed due to network lag.
Troetelbeer Caldari	Posted - 2009.07.30 13:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: RedClaws I'd go for vent, it just sounds loads better ... little extra bandwidth. You fail at the Internet. Teamspeak simply ships with a lower quality codec enabled by default. Switch it up to use the same codec as Ventrilo and guess what? It sounds exactly the same with the advantage that 10 people talking at once won't get you killed due to network lag. If you lag when 10 people are talking, its time to upgrade your NIC or ISP subscription. Hell, stop using any internet related program straight away. ---------------------------------------- Carebearing since 2008.

Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.07.30 13:35:00 - [21] Edited by: Grez on 30/07/2009 13:36:58 For the two vent servers I run: Public : no global, user password for mods/admins. Private : global for restricted connection, user password for regulars (so they can see channels/etc). Also, I've had lulz when 50+ people are spamming the server, and I have no lag - people who 'disconnect' due to it must have 9200 baud modems... ---
Saint VII Minmatar Makani Ohana	Posted - 2009.07.30 13:57:00 - [22] We reluctantly switched to Vent, simply b/c everyone else used it. But Vent's administrative features range from laughable to pathetic. People generally prefer Vent's approach to sound - heavily filtered so that it sounds clean but also a lot more artificial. Teamspeak sounds quite a bit more like the person's voice IRL, but is not nearly as clean. If you are concerned about administration and don't mind annoying people by having the oddball app that hardly anyone uses anymore, go Teamspeak. No doubt it is the better application, but also no doubt it has lost the war of voice software. Those guys have been "working on" their next version for as long as I've been aware of voice software. I don't think it will ever come out. No great scoundrel is ever uninteresting.


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