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bwes yhu	Posted - 2009.07.30 06:10:00 - [1] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -989565 Channel Name: Private Chat (alone) Listener: bwes yhu Session started: 2009.07.28 12:16:00 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2009.07.28 12:16:04 ] Lars Erlkonig > o/ [ 2009.07.28 12:16:04 ] bwes yhu > Why hello there [ 2009.07.28 12:16:14 ] bwes yhu > So how much to buy myself out? [ 2009.07.28 12:16:41 ] Lars Erlkonig > o/ [ 2009.07.28 12:16:46 ] Lars Erlkonig > haven't had my coffee yet [ 2009.07.28 12:16:51 ] bwes yhu > heh [ 2009.07.28 12:17:11 ] bwes yhu > Never have enough coffee [ 2009.07.28 12:18:31 ] Lars Erlkonig > We can end the war for 1 billion isk. [ 2009.07.28 12:19:17 ] Lars Erlkonig > had to grab the calculator and figure out the value oof your tower. (it's early) I rounded down since I'm still sleepy but it's nice out here. [ 2009.07.28 12:21:49 ] bwes yhu > Hmm... at 1bn I'd be able to buy the tower, the labs, and start again on a different moon with just a bit of annoyance. And I'd have a much better setup next time ;-) [ 2009.07.28 12:22:07 ] Lars Erlkonig > that's why it's called a negotiation :) [ 2009.07.28 12:22:16 ] bwes yhu > :) [ 2009.07.28 12:22:55 ] Lars Erlkonig > also, right now everything inside your labs/assembly arrays are locked down, so that normally adds value to your possible loss. [ 2009.07.28 12:24:10 ] bwes yhu > absolutely. Fortunately I don't keep much stock up here since there is a station in system and I just haul up what I need. So there is probably about 30-40 mil of cores and the like, and a bunch of half-finished manufacturing jobs that'll go poof [ 2009.07.28 12:24:45 ] bwes yhu > But, then again, it's hassle. [ 2009.07.28 12:25:44 ] bwes yhu > So I recon you'll get about 400-500m of stuff once you've finished blowing the tower up [ 2009.07.28 12:25:48 ] Lars Erlkonig > the modules inside the shields have a value of 849 million isk which would be our take from killing the POS. If you are willing to settle for 850 million isk, I'll let the CEO know that you paid and I can have my caffeene. [ 2009.07.28 12:26:15 ] Lars Erlkonig > Advanced mobil labs are 150 mil each [ 2009.07.28 12:26:26 ] bwes yhu > miscounted a lab... bah [ 2009.07.28 12:26:38 ] Lars Erlkonig > 9 for each hardener, 9 for the ammo array and 54 for the equip assembly [ 2009.07.28 12:26:49 ] Lars Erlkonig > you can check my math [ 2009.07.28 12:26:55 ] bwes yhu > no, i'm cool with it [ 2009.07.28 12:27:39 ] bwes yhu > i'm thinking for a few - enjoy some coffee [ 2009.07.28 12:27:48 ] Lars Erlkonig > I will stay here. [ 2009.07.28 12:27:51 ] bwes yhu > k [ 2009.07.28 12:29:34 ] Lars Erlkonig > It's really easy to start calling off the shoot before the guns start blazing/more people log on for the kill. [ 2009.07.28 12:30:28 ] Lars Erlkonig > also saves me from grabbing a ship and undoing all the armor repairing you did with the exequror. [ 2009.07.28 12:32:06 ] bwes yhu > I'm trying to decide what sort of hassle I want. It's not really the isk, although of course it's all about isk. Do I let the tower go, lose the jobs, you get the modules and about 15 minutes of hassle, and I go and do other stuff. or... [ 2009.07.28 12:32:28 ] bwes yhu > Do I pay up, finish the jobs, rep everything, unanchor and go do something else [ 2009.07.28 12:32:29 ] bwes yhu > or [ 2009.07.28 12:32:48 ] bwes yhu > Do I bother keeping the tower since the money is ok but hassle or [ 2009.07.28 12:32:56 ] bwes yhu > what. Argh. [ 2009.07.28 12:33:26 ] Lars Erlkonig > the decision is up to you. [ 2009.07.28 12:33:36 ] bwes yhu > yeah [ 2009.07.28 12:33:45 ] bwes yhu > The joys of the english afternoon
bwes yhu	Posted - 2009.07.30 06:11:00 - [2] Edited by: bwes yhu on 30/07/2009 06:13:33 Edited by: bwes yhu on 30/07/2009 06:13:08 [ 2009.07.28 12:34:37 ] Lars Erlkonig > in a few minutes though I will have to inform my corp mates that you tried to rep the tower modules and we will need to re-incap them and keep a few cloaked pvp ships in local to stop it from happening again. [ 2009.07.28 12:34:50 ] Lars Erlkonig > which does not bode well for future negotiations. [ 2009.07.28 12:36:35 ] Lars Erlkonig > as long as we are communicating on ransom, I can hold off the cavalry. [ 2009.07.28 12:37:00 ] bwes yhu > Ok. Is there a forum where previous ransomees have demonstrated that you will hold to your word? [ 2009.07.28 12:38:01 ] Lars Erlkonig > I don't think there is. [ 2009.07.28 12:38:14 ] Lars Erlkonig > It's a matter of keeping our business model active. [ 2009.07.28 12:38:25 ] Lars Erlkonig > if we don't honor ransoms, people don't pay [ 2009.07.28 12:39:03 ] bwes yhu > But without some public forum how would people know you honour ransoms? i.e. you could have blown up the last 5 corps and I'd have no way to check. [ 2009.07.28 12:39:12 ] Lars Erlkonig > if people don't pay, we have to shoot the pos for another 30 minutes and haul off all the labs to get paid. That involves :effort: [ 2009.07.28 12:39:42 ] Lars Erlkonig > I'd assume one of the corps would post somewhere that we didn't honor their ransom, as I'd be mighty ****ed if it happened to me [ 2009.07.28 12:39:50 ] Lars Erlkonig > you can try eve-search.com [ 2009.07.28 12:40:19 ] Lars Erlkonig > it's the site that Chribba runs that allows you to search the eve-online forums. [ 2009.07.28 12:40:38 ] bwes yhu > yeah, already done that - nowt useful, either way [ 2009.07.28 12:41:52 ] bwes yhu > right, what is the lowest you think your CEO would accept then? [ 2009.07.28 12:42:33 ] Lars Erlkonig > 850 mil [ 2009.07.28 12:42:57 ] bwes yhu > ok [ 2009.07.28 12:43:01 ] bwes yhu > How do I pay? [ 2009.07.28 12:43:21 ] Lars Erlkonig > you can pay me directly or you can pay to flipmode industries. [ 2009.07.28 12:43:42 ] Lars Erlkonig > once the ceo comes home I will let him know that you paid and he will retract the war. [ 2009.07.28 12:44:08 ] Lars Erlkonig > if you pay to flipmode I cannot verify payment only ceo has corp wallet access. [ 2009.07.28 12:44:15 ] Lars Erlkonig > but it is your option. [ 2009.07.28 12:44:38 ] Lars Erlkonig > if you pay me, I will verify the payment and make certain our CEO drops the war. [ 2009.07.28 12:44:56 ] bwes yhu > When does he come online? [ 2009.07.28 12:45:12 ] Lars Erlkonig > in about 8 hours I think? [ 2009.07.28 12:46:08 ] Lars Erlkonig > Would you rather finish negotiations with him when he comes home? [ 2009.07.28 12:46:40 ] bwes yhu > That'll be 10pm UK time, i'll not be around, unfortunately [ 2009.07.28 12:47:19 ] Lars Erlkonig > :( [ 2009.07.28 12:48:27 ] bwes yhu > 1 sec [ 2009.07.28 12:49:15 ] bwes yhu > Hmm... can't cut/paste from corp journal [ 2009.07.28 12:49:39 ] bwes yhu > Ok, paid [snip stuff about mac client being junk] [ 2009.07.28 12:50:41 ] Lars Erlkonig > I'll try to see if I can get any directors on to verify. thanks to CCP's idea of a "corp management interface" ony the ceo can retract the war. Makes it annoying for stuff like this.
bwes yhu	Posted - 2009.07.30 06:12:00 - [3] Edited by: bwes yhu on 30/07/2009 06:20:32 Edited by: bwes yhu on 30/07/2009 06:19:04 [ 2009.07.28 12:55:15 ] bwes yhu > http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1205840/Picture%201.png [ 2009.07.28 12:56:37 ] Lars Erlkonig > I'll accept that in good faith and "call off the dogs of war" [ 2009.07.28 12:56:51 ] Lars Erlkonig > fly safe o7 [ 2009.07.28 12:56:57 ] bwes yhu > You too. We then spent another 50 minutes or so chatting. Seems like a nice chat. War was retracted, he popped up later to have another brief chat, then that was that. This morning logged on to find the pos gone. Meh... not a fan of people who say one thing and do something else. So warning... do not ever pay them ransom. Just cut your losses. Strangely left a secure can: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1205840/Picture%203.png Who is Buxaroo and why doesn't he tolerate failure?
Bongo Debbie Minmatar Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.07.30 06:13:00 - [4] don't bother tbh ----
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.07.30 06:32:00 - [5] \/
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.07.30 06:33:00 - [6] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 30/07/2009 06:34:11 Sounds like there may have been a miscommunication somewhere. One person in FLIPM thought the ransom you paid was to save the tower, and someone higher up thought it was to retract the war (and they opted to take the tower before it ended.) Just another possibility based on the available chatlog. Just playing devil's advocate because when dealing with ransoms that large it really doesn't pay to dishonor them in the long run.
bwes yhu	Posted - 2009.07.30 06:41:00 - [7] Edited by: bwes yhu on 30/07/2009 06:43:05 Edited by: bwes yhu on 30/07/2009 06:42:36 Enjoy reading Lars Erlkonig bio - his CEO should sort that if he's not able negotiate on their behalf, honorably. Didn't get any other communication either from the CEO or anyone else - it's not like they didnÆt get to view my corp wallet so they could have asked for another 100 or so and I'd have probably paid it. shrug actions speak louder than words. Just trying to make sure the next CEO doesn't have the same problem. Just cut your losses and let them enjoy pounding empty towers.
PostmasterGeneral Minmatar yo i'm posting	Posted - 2009.07.30 07:02:00 - [8] i hereby promise to do as commanded in the thread title and not pay randoms to these people
Cindy McCain GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.30 07:35:00 - [9] cool a random chat log let me read it
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.07.30 07:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Cindy McCain cool a random chat log let me read it Wait wot?!
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.07.30 07:41:00 - [11] Don't be too hard on her she's just irritated that she's bankrolled the political career of a jackass opportunist who squandered the capital he earned in military service for political expediency /political
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated	Posted - 2009.07.30 07:56:00 - [12] Buxaroo does indeed not tolerate failure, you have been warned A Pirates Perspective
Lars Zundi	Posted - 2009.07.30 10:10:00 - [13] I would never trust anyone by the name of Lars.
Hans Gribbens	Posted - 2009.07.30 10:39:00 - [14] Originally by: PostmasterGeneral i hereby promise to do as commanded in the thread title and not pay randoms to these people i didnt read this, i just looked for the word random and started laughing then i read it LOL
Tobarg Shh Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.30 11:57:00 - [15] Anyone who pays random ppl are begging for it. Always send isk to Tobarg Shh.. Also, I have 17 mil, can I help?
Anna Martinov Hek Frozen Industries	Posted - 2009.07.30 12:53:00 - [16] Originally by: bwes yhu Who is Buxaroo and why doesn't he tolerate failure? The person who hired them maybe? I can say that sometimes they keep their word - in my (thankfully brief) interaction with them, they did not destroy any tower belonging to me. I did, however, get the impression they were for sale to the highest bidder, and that paying a ransom didn't end the bidding Greed I can at least understand (easy to say when it wasn't my tower though hehe). I guess it all depends on how much someone wants you dead in this game...
Buxaroo Gallente Reikoku	Posted - 2009.07.30 13:13:00 - [17] Edited by: Buxaroo on 30/07/2009 13:13:51 Hmmm Let's peruse a few facts about this shall we for those who were either dropped on their heads when they were a baby or subscribe to every tinfoil hat theory to come off of Kugutsmen's forums: Flipmode, if you were to look at the corp history of any of it's members, is comprised of mainly ex-goon characters. OK, got that part? OK, now onto another fun and fascinating fact. I am ex-BoB. OK, got that so far? Now, I am not sure if all of you people have been living under a Veldspar rock for the last 2 years, but you would have thought that everyone and their Ibis would have known by now that BoB and Goons have been at war with each other in one form or another for the longest. It's even been in the New York Times. And in every gaming mag in the world, and god forbid plastered all over EVE's various chat channels. And they should know that goons and their allies have taken Delve from BoB. So......why would I, an ex-BoB member and current RKK member (which was one of the corps in BoB), who I might add has a a distinct dislike for goons, hire a merc corp which is comprised mainly of goons, to take on random corps who have POS's scattered all over New Eden? I have gotten over a dozen evemails from CEO's asking me why I paid Flipmode to war dec their little corps. Only one of them had the common sense to check who I belong to and who the people who war decced them used to belong too (most likely goon alts). It's not Shakespeare. It's not some unbreakable code that the NSA has cooked up. It's not all that hard to figure out. Now drink a Mountain Dew and eat some hamburgers with me on this: I could care less about paying my hard earned isk to war dec some random corps I never even heard of. If we want your POS or something we would just war dec you ourselves. Now, if you have a dysprosium moon with your POS setting on top, then yeah, I take full responsibility for anything Flipmode says and I expect a tidy percentage of any and all profits.
Nota Ero Flipmode Industries	Posted - 2009.07.30 13:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 30/07/2009 13:13:51 I have gotten over a dozen evemails from CEO's asking me why I paid Flipmode to war dec their little corps. And you still haven't posted them! It's because of the ransoms, isn't it? You truly do not accept failure
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated	Posted - 2009.07.30 13:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Buxaroo I take full responsibility. and remember kids, he doesn't tolerate failure A Pirates Perspective
Tobarg Shh Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.30 13:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 30/07/2009 13:13:51 Hmmm Let's peruse a few facts about this shall we for those who were either dropped on their heads when they were a baby or subscribe to every tinfoil hat theory to come off of Kugutsmen's forums: Flipmode, if you were to look at the corp history of any of it's members, is comprised of mainly ex-goon characters. OK, got that part? OK, now onto another fun and fascinating fact. I am ex-BoB. OK, got that so far? Now, I am not sure if all of you people have been living under a Veldspar rock for the last 2 years, but you would have thought that everyone and their Ibis would have known by now that BoB and Goons have been at war with each other in one form or another for the longest. It's even been in the New York Times. And in every gaming mag in the world, and god forbid plastered all over EVE's various chat channels. And they should know that goons and their allies have taken Delve from BoB. So......why would I, an ex-BoB member and current RKK member (which was one of the corps in BoB), who I might add has a a distinct dislike for goons, hire a merc corp which is comprised mainly of goons, to take on random corps who have POS's scattered all over New Eden? I have gotten over a dozen evemails from CEO's asking me why I paid Flipmode to war dec their little corps. Only one of them had the common sense to check who I belong to and who the people who war decced them used to belong too (most likely goon alts). It's not Shakespeare. It's not some unbreakable code that the NSA has cooked up. It's not all that hard to figure out. Now drink a Mountain Dew and eat some hamburgers with me on this: I could care less about paying my hard earned isk to war dec some random corps I never even heard of. If we want your POS or something we would just war dec you ourselves. Now, if you have a dysprosium moon with your POS setting on top, then yeah, I take full responsibility for anything Flipmode says and I expect a tidy percentage of any and all profits. Oh knock it off, noone will believe your obvious ruse... ofc you paid them to wardec I mean why else would they put a can there saying so...
Friggz Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.07.30 14:54:00 - [21] Don't give random people isk. Gotcha. ________________________________________________ Love, Friggz
Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.07.30 15:02:00 - [22] Why would you pay a ransom? Did someone tell you that people honored them?
Mr Trembley Flipmode Industries	Posted - 2009.07.30 15:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Buxaroo Now, if you have a dysprosium moon with your POS setting on top, then yeah, I take full responsibility for anything Flipmode says and I expect a tidy percentage of any and all profits. If you're short on cash I hear ransoming POSs pays pretty well.
Pater Peccavi Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.07.30 16:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Lars Zundi I would never trust anyone by the name of Lars. But Lars takes care of Luke despite the fact that his father is a (an?) homicidal maniac. That's worthy of some trust. ______ Why has the number of players online dropped from 50k to 25k? BECAUSE OF SWINE FLU
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution	Posted - 2009.07.30 17:49:00 - [25] Clearly, Buxaroo is working the strings of the puppets.
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated	Posted - 2009.07.30 19:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Clearly, Buxaroo is working the strings of the puppets. Some say he's the Da Vinci of our time. Some say he's Dr Death. Some say his spy network is deeper than He who shall not be named, mittens and Jake Nooble. And his kickboxing girlfirend is way hotter than your kickboxing girlfriend. To us he's The Bux Vote Buxaroo for CSM 2010 "The Bux stops here" All campaign contributions in the form of Vagabonds or huge sums of ISK to be forwarded to Steve Dave A Pirates Perspective
Weight What	Posted - 2009.07.30 19:56:00 - [27] Originally by: bwes yhu --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -989565 Channel Name: Private Chat (*alone*) Listener: bwes yhu Session started: 2009.07.28 12:16:00 --------------------------------------------------------------- And that is what I got from this thread ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
bwes yhu	Posted - 2009.07.30 20:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Weight What And that is what I got from this thread Get a mac. You'll see that all chat logs start that way.
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.07.30 21:40:00 - [29] The Bux is strong with this one. ------ back from 90day forum ban.
Awesome Possum Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.07.31 04:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Weight What Originally by: bwes yhu --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -989565 Channel Name: Private Chat (*alone*) Listener: bwes yhu Session started: 2009.07.28 12:16:00 --------------------------------------------------------------- And that is what I got from this thread my chat logs also start that way ♥ Wreck Disposal Services

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