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Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.07.30 10:07:00 - [1] What could the dps output on these be compared to? I've been using a sacrilege thus far without any issues, granted I could easily move over to a Zealot for better results.. (better gunnery) Could I do this solo or bring a friend for RR, or look for a WH corp that resides in a Class 3. Mostly what I'm after is much like everybody else, the $$$ you can get from them. Not to mention you could build your own T3 ships. Thanks
Ashmira Wintereyes Caldari Free Spirits	Posted - 2009.07.30 11:56:00 - [2] Im not into the $$$'s from w-space myself, but more for the exploration/fun you can find in w-space. To be honest, the money is allready out of w-space running when your in a small corp or (mostly) solo like me. The small adjustments made it so that the corps in w-space moved down from their former profitable high class systems to strip C3/C4 systems for their profit/production as the rewards/risk ratio is skewed nowadays in terms of datacores/salvage drops etc. the big isk is still made from magneto sites, these however are very rare these days then ever before (coz everyone first pick these sites for the isk when they find a W-hole)...
Fransua Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.30 14:02:00 - [3] Your best bet is to find a wormhole system that has a "static" wormhole that only goes to class 3s. Every wormhole system has a WH that originates from the system (the "type" number is on the WS side). These are known as static, as when it gets collapsed by time or mass, a new one will always spawn. If you find a static WH to class 3s, then basically everyday you'll get a new class 3 to farm. You can also collapse the wormhole yourself if you get an inhabited or farmed out class 3. As for DPS... well my Proteus survives all class 3 anoms with an EFT 650dps tank. You just have to watch that you don't set off any triggers, but even then its no big deal as launching drones will seriously drop your incoming dps. *Outpost Frontier Stronghold Spawn 1 1x Sleepless Defender (Trigger) 3x Argos Spawn 2 4x Awakened Defender (Trigger) Spawn 3 2x Sleepless Defender 4x Emergent Defender *Fortification Frontier Stronghold Spawn 1 2x Awakened Defender (Trigger) 2x Emergent Defender Spawn 2 2x Awakened Upholder (Trigger) 2x Awakened Defender Spawn 3 1x Sleepless Upholder 1x Awakened Preserver 1x Awakened Upholder 2x Awakened Defender *The Oruze Construct Spawn 1 2x Argos Sentries 4x Awakened Upholder (Trigger) 1x Awakened Preserver Spawn 2 1x Sleepless Defender (Trigger) 4x Emergent Defender Spawn 3 1x Sleepless Upholder 2x Awakened Preserver *Unsecured Frontier Database Spawn 1 3x Awakened Defender 3x Emergent Preserver (Trigger) Spawn 2 4x Awakened Defender (Trigger) 4x Awakened Upholder Spawn 3 1x Sleepless Upholder (Trigger) 3x Awakened Upholder 3x Emergent Defender Spawn 4 2x Sleepless Upholder 3x Awakened Upholder 2x Emergent Preserver Solar Cell Spawn 1 1x Sleepless Defender 1x Awakened Upholder 1x Emergent Preserver (Trigger) Spawn 2 1x Awakened Upholder 2x Awakened Defender 2x Emergent Upholder (Trigger) 2x Emergent Defender Spawn 3 1x Sleepless Preserver 1x Sleepless Defender 2x Awakened Defender RADAR SITES *Unsecured Frontier Database Spawn 1 3x Awakened Defender 3x Emergent Preserver (Trigger) Spawn 2 4x Awakened Defender (Trigger) 4x Awakened Upholder Spawn 3 1x Sleepless Upholder (Trigger) 3x Awakened Upholder 3x Emergent Defender *Spawn 4 2x Sleepless Upholder 3x Awakened Upholder 2x Emergent Preserver And yea.. isk from WH's is great :) I'm founding my own WH corporation soon to build up a solid team and train them in everything WH. You can get 100mil isk an hour if you can solo class 3s to a competent degree.
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.07.30 16:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Fransua Your best bet is to find a wormhole system that has a "static" wormhole that only goes to class 3s. Every wormhole system has a WH that originates from the system (the "type" number is on the WS side). These are known as static, as when it gets collapsed by time or mass, a new one will always spawn. If you find a static WH to class 3s, then basically everyday you'll get a new class 3 to farm. You can also collapse the wormhole yourself if you get an inhabited or farmed out class 3. As for DPS... well my Proteus survives all class 3 anoms with an EFT 650dps tank. You just have to watch that you don't set off any triggers, but even then its no big deal as launching drones will seriously drop your incoming dps. Yeah, I can push L4s in my sleep with a Nightmare, wanted some more fun and decided to use a sacrilege for C1/C2 wormholes. I use Wormhole Thingie to find all the information I can on the wormhole (for bonuses, etc..) and have my alt scanning for the wormhole while I pewpew and direction scan every 30 seconds. I have the skills to RR for Armor. Was definitely looking to eventually get a Legion, as far as I know all fits do not allow you to have drones. So 650 is very manageable with 2 people, not bad. Thanks.
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.07.30 17:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Fransua As for DPS... well my Proteus survives all class 3 anoms with an EFT 650dps tank. You just have to watch that you don't set off any triggers, but even then its no big deal as launching drones will seriously drop your incoming dps. May I ask what setup you are using on your proteus. I've been fiddling around with it a bit, but couldn't find any setup that I liked. So far I've chosen to go with the legion. Has a 745dps tank and does about 500dps. See here for the setup: This legion setup does anomolies in about 15 minutes. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25568-Legion-Legion-C3-Sleepers.html -- The future is black.
Drexciyian The Water Margin	Posted - 2009.07.30 21:51:00 - [6] Originally by: RiotRick Originally by: Fransua As for DPS... well my Proteus survives all class 3 anoms with an EFT 650dps tank. You just have to watch that you don't set off any triggers, but even then its no big deal as launching drones will seriously drop your incoming dps. May I ask what setup you are using on your proteus. I've been fiddling around with it a bit, but couldn't find any setup that I liked. So far I've chosen to go with the legion. Has a 745dps tank and does about 500dps. See here for the setup: This legion setup does anomolies in about 15 minutes. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25568-Legion-Legion-C3-Sleepers.html Meh give !!
Fransua Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.31 00:05:00 - [7] [Proteus, WH] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Damage Control II Medium Capacitor Battery II Stasis Webifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Cap Recharger II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Nanobot Accelerator I Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 I'm sure people out there can do a lot better, but it suites my purposes fine. The fit is cap stable as long as I don't perma run the MWD. Provides 600 dps tank, which is more than enough for class 3s, as long as you keep triggers till last. DPS is only 400, but I opted for safety over speed of site completion. Has left me comfortably completing sites so far. Stasis webifier is also very important... as you will be outrun by most sleeper cruisers unless you web them. They will web you HARD, so that you're only doing about 100km/s, even with the MWD. You could afford to swap out a low slot for more DPS, but up to you really. As for faction fits and etc... well I'm sure you could get a lot more tank and gank, but I can't afford all that, so make do with whats available to me =)
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.07.31 07:45:00 - [8] Edited by: RiotRick on 31/07/2009 07:46:34 Don't you get way too much damage with your mwd on? Since it will blow-up your sig radius by a huge amount. I've always tried to avoid using mwd in wormholes. I'll give it a try on the legion, to see what happens. -- The future is black.
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.07.31 08:30:00 - [9] Going by what you had on yours I tried to match as much as I could to the Legion. If it only had a drone bay without the sub it would be better imo. I ended up getting 706 tank, 312 dps, cap stable at 59% w/o mwd. [Legion, WH] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Capacitor Power Relay II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Damage Control II Cap Recharger II Stasis Webifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Nanobot Accelerator I Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.07.31 08:43:00 - [10] Been fiddling with your proteus setup in eft a bit. If you put some faction stuff on it like this it will be a bit better. I switched out two subsystems. The CPU efficiency is unnecessary with faction stuff. The current subsystem gives the highest scan resolution, while being useless for the rest (like all the others as well). I also switched out the propulsion subsystem for the wake limiter one. This will cut down your sig radius a bit when running the mwd. I would still be concerned with the extreme short range though. But then again, I haven't tested this setup. Also when using drones in w-space I prefer to use the fastest drones, since they seem to have a bit higher survivabilty vs the sleepers. [Proteus, WH Factionalized] Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Damage Control II Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Corelum A-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Cap Recharger True Sansha Cap Recharger Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Auxiliary Nano Pump II Anti-Thermic Pump II Capacitor Control Circuit I Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Propulsion - Wake Limiter Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5 -- The future is black.
Al Anders	Posted - 2009.07.31 09:50:00 - [11] I have a good rule: Never ever fly into wormhole on the good ship with a good set of imps in head without damn probe launcher mounted. So my tumbs up for the legion fit (though i'm using it without faction mods, thanx to good fitting skills and my empty wallet). So i just do not recommend to fly into WH space without probe launcher, in ship that cost over 100 mil isk with a set of implants over a 500 mil.
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.07.31 09:58:00 - [12] I agree. That's why I have a dedicated scanning alt that sits in a cov ops, cloaked at a safe spot He's the last one out and first one in.
Al Anders	Posted - 2009.07.31 10:12:00 - [13] Hmm... In such way better to use couple of spidered (adapter augmenter) legions (price insane but i think they can chew WH C4) one with probe launcher and locust, other one with a salvager and melt them all. Excuses but i'm always think about maximising of alt usage (Dual monitors II help to keep control of both characters )
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.07.31 10:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Forranz I agree. That's why I have a dedicated scanning alt that sits in a cov ops, cloaked at a safe spot He's the last one out and first one in. That's what I do as well. Though if I can fit a probe launcher on my main ship as well, I will do it. But I don't deem it absolutely necessary. -- The future is black.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.31 11:06:00 - [15] Edited by: Gartel Reiman on 31/07/2009 11:14:26 Originally by: Forranz Going by what you had on yours I tried to match as much as I could to the Legion. If it only had a drone bay without the sub it would be better imo. I ended up getting 706 tank, 312 dps, cap stable at 59% w/o mwd. The thing is, though, you can get those kind of figures out of a T2-fitted Drake: [Drake, Class 3 Wormhole] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Recharger II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Does 308 missile DPS with 739 tank, and it has the ability to carry 5 light drones as well as a probe launcher, both of which can be pretty useful. Plus it has an effective range of around 80km, and will hit frigates fairly well (I honestly don't know whether it would do better than heavy pulses against webbed frigates but I suspect it might). Granted, the damage is marginally lower than your setup, but in the same ballpark with a better tank while being much much cheaper. In fact, if you replace the BCS with a Navy BCS, you get 315 DPS (still with 739 tank) while still being much much cheaper than a Legion. The only areas where the Legion is better are lower sig, ability to MWD and lower ammo consumption; the first two aren't likely to be that important in a wormhole, and you'll probably run out of cargo space for loot before running out of ammo. I don't think those benefits are worth losing 25m^3 of drones, a core probe launcher in the high and an extra 70km of full damage (plus 45km on top of the Legion's 35km range with Scorch where it's doing 248 DPS) - and that's not even considering the price difference.
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.07.31 11:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Gartel Reiman Edited by: Gartel Reiman on 31/07/2009 11:14:26 The thing is, though, you can get those kind of figures out of a T2-fitted Drake: [Drake, Class 3 Wormhole] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Recharger II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Does 308 missile DPS with 739 tank, and it has the ability to carry 5 light drones as well as a probe launcher, both of which can be pretty useful. Plus it has an effective range of around 80km, and will hit frigates fairly well (I honestly don't know whether it would do better than heavy pulses against webbed frigates but I suspect it might). Granted, the damage is marginally lower than your setup, but in the same ballpark with a better tank while being much much cheaper. In fact, if you replace the BCS with a Navy BCS, you get 315 DPS (still with 739 tank) while still being much much cheaper than a Legion. The only areas where the Legion is better are lower sig, ability to MWD and lower ammo consumption; the first two aren't likely to be that important in a wormhole, and you'll probably run out of cargo space for loot before running out of ammo. I don't think those benefits are worth losing 25m^3 of drones, a core probe launcher in the high and an extra 70km of full damage (plus 45km on top of the Legion's 35km range with Scorch where it's doing 248 DPS) - and that's not even considering the price difference. Quite true, it's another reason why the drake needs to be nerfed. I believe that the sig radius would be a huge help, especially against larger targets. I haven't looked too indepth with the drone sub for the legion. I know offhand it leaves you with 3 guns, 5 high slots so you could put 1 RR and 1 energy in the high slot, but you will still be suffering on the dps side which wouldn't help. Maybe it could be used in a gang setup, who knows. I would consider using the Drake with T2 launchers, however, I'm sitting on 5.5M SP in Gunnery and like 55k in Missiles and that is quite the difference. I do have the shield skills though.
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.07.31 11:39:00 - [17] Keep in mind shooting faction missiles at npc's is fairly expensive as well. With regular missiles the dps will be a bit lower. Compare your ship to my legion fit. 745dps tank 400dps with scorch 34km + 5km falloff (includes cheap 5% damage implant) 502dps with navy multifrequency 11km + 5km falloff (includes cheap 5% damage implant) 140m sig radius not dependant on drones (almost) no ammo usage Heavy pulse lasers have no trouble hitting webbed frigates. [Legion, Solo - Sleepers] Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Large Capacitor Battery II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst This ships is a lot more expensive than a t2 fitted drake. But otoh it does anomolies very fast. For example I do the fortification frontier stronghold in 14 minutes. This drops 28,5mil in sleeper tags and some salvage. The outpost (something) takes me 17 minutes and drops a little over 30 mil in tags (32mil I believe) Looting + salvaging takes me about 5 minutes with a destroyer. This allows me to do 3 anomolies / hour. Which totals to about 100mil in sleeper tags / hour + a stack of salvage. I used to do these anomolies in my zealot before which allowed me to do about 2 anomolies / hour. So basically the legion makes me 30mil / hour more than the zealot. So I still like the t3 platform a lot. And like everything in eve, that little bit of extra performance over regular t2 fit will cost quite a lot of isk. But I'm allways looking to find the best ship for the thing I'm trying to do. I can afford it, so for me that cost is not a real problem. Also this legion has more than paid itself back as well. -- The future is black.
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.07.31 11:41:00 - [18] Edited by: RiotRick on 31/07/2009 11:44:14 Edited by: RiotRick on 31/07/2009 11:41:24 Quote: Quite true, it's another reason why the drake needs to be nerfed. I believe that the sig radius would be a huge help, especially against larger targets. I haven't looked too indepth with the drone sub for the legion. I know offhand it leaves you with 3 guns, 5 high slots so you could put 1 RR and 1 energy in the high slot, but you will still be suffering on the dps side which wouldn't help. Maybe it could be used in a gang setup, who knows. Also if you use the drone subsys, you will lose the range bonus on your lasers. Which is a huuuuge disadvantage in wormholes. The lack of range bonus is exactly why the absolution really sucks for wormholes compared to the zealot. In some anomolies you get 4 x webbed by 4 cruisers that will stay at 30km from you. Kind of sucks if your max range is 22km + 5km falloff. You can hit them, but barely. Zealot with range bonus has 30km optima (focused medium pulse lasers). The Legion has 34km optimal. The latter two are therefor a lot faster in the c3 anomolies. -- The future is black.
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.07.31 12:49:00 - [19] I still prefer HPL over the Focused anyday
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.31 13:12:00 - [20] Originally by: RiotRick Keep in mind shooting faction missiles at npc's is fairly expensive as well. With regular missiles the dps will be a bit lower. True - I don't think I'd actually use faction missiles, but since the fit I was comparing to used faction crystals it seemed the best option to get an accurate comparison. If you drop back to T1 ammo for both of them the damage ratios should be the same. Quote: Compare your ship to my legion fit. 745dps tank 400dps with scorch 34km + 5km falloff (includes cheap 5% damage implant) 502dps with navy multifrequency 11km + 5km falloff (includes cheap 5% damage implant) Yeah, that looks a lot better. I definitely would use that over a Drake. Quote: So I still like the t3 platform a lot. And like everything in eve, that little bit of extra performance over regular t2 fit will cost quite a lot of isk. But I'm allways looking to find the best ship for the thing I'm trying to do. I can afford it, so for me that cost is not a real problem. Also this legion has more than paid itself back as well. That sounds like a fair conclusion - and it's interesting how the ships that come from Sleeper tech, turn out to be very effective at destroying sleepers.
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.07.31 13:26:00 - [21] How tough is it to do a Class 3 WH in a Zealot? Would you mind posting your fit that you used?
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.07.31 13:48:00 - [22] Edited by: RiotRick on 31/07/2009 13:52:31 Originally by: Gartel Reiman Originally by: RiotRick Keep in mind shooting faction missiles at npc's is fairly expensive as well. With regular missiles the dps will be a bit lower. True - I don't think I'd actually use faction missiles, but since the fit I was comparing to used faction crystals it seemed the best option to get an accurate comparison. If you drop back to T1 ammo for both of them the damage ratios should be the same. With the only difference that faction crystals don't nearly cost that much, because they will last a long time. Originally by: Forranz How tough is it to do a Class 3 WH in a Zealot? Would you mind posting your fit that you used? The anomolies are perfectly possible, even with a regular t2 fit. Radar/Magento sites not so much. The fit I used for it is on battleclinic as well: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/22002-Zealot-Class-3-Sleepers.html [Zealot, Zealot: Class 3 Sleepers] Capacitor Power Relay II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I True Sansha Heat Sink Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Large Capacitor Battery II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I 304 DPS tank 315 DPS with Scorch 30km (including 5% damage implant) 395 DPS Navy Multifreq 10km (including 5% damage implant) Runs cap-stable with all mods on. Later I had swapped the t2 reppers for centum c-types. You can't fit a-types because of powergrid. Running 1 a-type rep won't give you enought tank on the zealot. Here you can see a video with a slight variation of this setup in a c3 anomoly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTaP4Iamcg -- The future is black.
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.07.31 19:52:00 - [23] I noticed that in EFT, when using the Tactical Targeting Network, it increases my Optimal. It still says 11+5 (All Level V) for my range when using Heavy Pulse which is the same as my Zealot. It should be definitely higher since I am using this sub, correct?
Fransua Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.31 20:42:00 - [24] MWD is only used to catch up to the sniping sleepers who stay away from you. Yea your sig does increase, but your tank can handle the sudden influx of dps from them being able to score better hits. Traversial increases as well, and causes their missiles to have less of a velocity hit on you. Missiles seem to do the most damage I've found. But you will find trouble with the webbing, so drones are invaluable to distracting sleepers long enough to get close to them and web them yourself. Scan probe launcher isn't needed as I am always at a POS, or have 2 alts able to scan within system. As for the wake limiter... being cap stable is a must. With the Localized Injectors you can use the AB or MWD without a hit on your cap, so your tanks stay active. If you lose that cap bonus for a wake limiter, then your cap stability comes into question when trying to use a MWD or AB. The actual amount it lowers your sig is pitiful as well. Sleepers generally nos you, so cap always needs to be at a comfortable level. There is probably a lot of better fits and ships for class 3s, but so far this has worked for me. I'll upgrade to faction as I can, and consider upping the DPS while my tank remains at comfortable levels. Time is the main factor now... I want to be able to complete them more quickly :)
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.07.31 21:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Gartel Reiman [Drake, Class 3 Wormhole] This tbh. Maybe add more bcus and use passive em hardener instead of shield recharger, but for some anomalies/plexes you will probably need more tank. I tried class 3 in a drake with afterburner, but it didnt work /it was orozu complex or something/. I was immediately webbed by 4 cruisers and 1 bs, so ab was like wasted mid. Fitting hams is probably not very good idea, because some sleepers like to stay at distance and chasing them takes too much time. Hmls kill frigs easily too, so you dont have to rely on light drones /i used them only on bses when cruisers were already dead/. Its good idea to carry some furys for bses, if you want to use furys on cruisers, you would have to use painter. With that fit you solo class3 and easily make like 40-50 mil/h, depends how many nims will drop. I was using 1 char with most combat skills at 4 /so pretty noob drake pilot/ and i returned to wh in a salvage boat after clearing 2 anomalies. Nighthawk or tengu can be probably much faster - i had 350-400 missile dps on drake, nighthawk can get 500+ and tengu more than 600 /and this is dps at 80+ km range/ while comfortably tanking sleepers.
icestr0m Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.31 22:23:00 - [26] many talk about Tengu for WH class 3 someone can post a good fit for Tengu please
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.07.31 22:44:00 - [27] Battleclinic is a good spot for information. Level 4 http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/21433-Tengu-Next-L4-farmer.html
Zach 101	Posted - 2009.08.11 15:19:00 - [28] anyone got a drake that could tank like those?
Forranz Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.08.11 15:43:00 - [29] Battleclinic has drake fits that will tank. Drake fits that will <Insert comment> basically.
Bazuka	Posted - 2009.08.11 17:13:00 - [30] Battleclinic is noob actually. Ratio of good vs lol fits is 1/100 ___________ CareMyBear!

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