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Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 96	Posted - 2012.05.25 14:31:00 - [1] - Quote I'm looking to get into some low sec (.3 specifically) exploration and am curious as to what a good ship to use for it. I'm looking for something economic (T2 or faction ships with deadspace mods need not apply) and lower skill if possible. I've heard the Vexor is good for exploring, but I'm not sure if its strong enough for low sec exploring. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler.
Seishi Maru doMAL S.A. 7	Posted - 2012.05.25 14:54:00 - [2] - Quote You mmight very well need a t2 ship if you want to be efficient. But very likely you can also do it in a drake
Beledia Ilphukiir Proffessional Experts Group 36	Posted - 2012.05.25 15:03:00 - [3] - Quote Vexor can't do the good sites. It hasn't got the tank or the DPS. To be able to do all the sites in lowsec, you have to be able to handle groups of battlecruisers, cruisers and some battleships. Naturally there will be frigates that web and scram you too. The mini profession sites(hacking/salvaging/analyzing) will be less combat oriented and therefore doable even in a vexor, but the better combat sites are too much for it to handle. Even if you somehow could handle them it would take so long, that you would be very likely to be inturrupted by others and your vexor isn't in a position to put up a serious fight. The harder sites can also have such fun things as webbing and energy neutralizer towers combined with a swarm of attacking ships, so they can be deadly to an unprepared explorer in any ship. You say T2 or faction stuff isn't economic for you, but I'd strongly recomment either ishtar or a T3 as a long term goal, if you plan on doing the combat focused sites. Ishtar specifically isn't all that expensive and properly fitted(T2 will be sufficient) and flown it can do lowsec sites quite well. It might not be economic for a starting lowsec explorer, but the better ships actually pay themselves off really fast. It's better to learn while flying something, that you can afford to replace without much effort though.
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 96	Posted - 2012.05.25 15:11:00 - [4] - Quote I was talking more of the mini-profession sites than the full-blown combat ones. I will look into the Ishtar. What are your thoughts on the Myrm for the full-combat ones? (I'm a fan of drone boats in general and the Myrm will be in easy reach if I already have the drone skills and Gallente Cruiser skills from flying the Vexor/Ishtar) I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service 30	Posted - 2012.05.25 15:27:00 - [5] - Quote Get a probe frigate to scan down the sites. Preferably a CovOps, but if you don't have the skills then a T1 scan frig with a standard cloak. Then for running the sites use an Ishkur or Worm. The reason why is cuz nobody will really bother to scan out a frig. Not worth the effort, not much loot or fun to be had from killing one, and 90% of the time the frig will be able to warp out as soon as somebody lands on grid. It might not be as time efficient as using something beefier, but it will keep you a whole lot safer.
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords 186	Posted - 2012.05.25 15:33:00 - [6] - Quote It's called a Gila. It can do it all and there not that hi of a price if you just T2 it. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship..........
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 800	Posted - 2012.05.25 15:46:00 - [7] - Quote Pinstar Colton wrote: I was talking more of the mini-profession sites than the full-blown combat ones. I will look into the Ishtar. What are your thoughts on the Myrm for the full-combat ones? (I'm a fan of drone boats in general and the Myrm will be in easy reach if I already have the drone skills and Gallente Cruiser skills from flying the Vexor/Ishtar) Vexor can do DED 4/10s, for 5/10 and 6/10s you'll probably want the Myrm or Ishtar. Myrm is the most forgiving out of these due to it's solid tank, Ishtar is fastest due to dps, and Vexor easily the most isk efficient in case you get popped. Vexor is a bit more agile than Myrm, which might make a difference between getting caught and surviving. In any case learning to mitigate damage with your movement, controlling range with webs, overheating stuff and managing the active tank while chewing thru the rats efficiently will certainly make you a better pilot in any ship. As opposed to overtanking and just plowing thru them slowly... and it's super fun You should fit for maximum dps, minimum tank you can handle in order to clear the sites faster. As few cap modules/rigs as possible, which means a cap booster and efficient cap management. Ishtar isn't really better until you get tech 2 sentries or heavies, along with perfect fitting skills and other core skills. Quote: Even if you somehow could handle them it would take so long, that you would be very likely to be inturrupted by others and your vexor isn't in a position to put up a serious fight. Counting on your ship to able to defend against attackers is not a valid strategy imho. The things you need to learn to survive can be learnt in any ship, I'd go cheaper for starters. Situational awareness, dscan, local intel, site mechanics, dangerous ships etc are far more important than what you are flying. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 96	Posted - 2012.05.25 15:53:00 - [8] - Quote Thank you all for the suggestions! I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler.
Araceli Gabriela Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN 7	Posted - 2012.05.25 16:12:00 - [9] - Quote Just based on the fact you said Vexor I'd vote for Myrm as it's easy to get into. Otherwise Drake, or Gila.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 489	Posted - 2012.05.25 18:20:00 - [10] - Quote What are the local belt rats? That can definitely influence which ships work better than others.
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 96	Posted - 2012.05.25 18:51:00 - [11] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: What are the local belt rats? That can definitely influence which ships work better than others. Blood Raiders I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler.
Karmu Ivanostrov Ride To Ruin 2	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:14:00 - [12] - Quote Bloods will neut you so I guess passive tank Gila might be the way to go
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 803	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:23:00 - [13] - Quote Pinstar Colton wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: What are the local belt rats? That can definitely influence which ships work better than others. Blood Raiders Ah, the Monastery. This is an absolute piece of cake in a Vexor. Not spoiling the fun by telling you how :) Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Karmu Ivanostrov Ride To Ruin 2	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:27:00 - [14] - Quote Vladimir Norkoff wrote: Get a probe frigate to scan down the sites. Preferably a CovOps, but if you don't have the skills then a T1 scan frig with a standard cloak. Then for running the sites use an Ishkur or Worm. The reason why is cuz nobody will really bother to scan out a frig. Not worth the effort, not much loot or fun to be had from killing one, and 90% of the time the frig will be able to warp out as soon as somebody lands on grid. It might not be as time efficient as using something beefier, but it will keep you a whole lot safer. Have never flown the Worm.... But it only seems to be able to field 5 small drones... Is that enough dps for low sec sites?
Kilrayn Caldari Provisions 195	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:38:00 - [15] - Quote Karmu Ivanostrov wrote: Vladimir Norkoff wrote: Get a probe frigate to scan down the sites. Preferably a CovOps, but if you don't have the skills then a T1 scan frig with a standard cloak. Then for running the sites use an Ishkur or Worm. The reason why is cuz nobody will really bother to scan out a frig. Not worth the effort, not much loot or fun to be had from killing one, and 90% of the time the frig will be able to warp out as soon as somebody lands on grid. It might not be as time efficient as using something beefier, but it will keep you a whole lot safer. Have never flown the Worm.... But it only seems to be able to field 5 small drones... Is that enough dps for low sec sites? Not the combat sites (most anyway), 5 lights won't cut it. It might handle the anoms/radars/mags though. "Music is a mysterious thing. Sometimes itn++ makes people remember things they do not expect. Many thoughts, feelings, memories... things almost forgotten... Regardless of whether the listener desires to remember or not." - Citan Uzuki, Xenogears
Karmu Ivanostrov Ride To Ruin 2	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:49:00 - [16] - Quote Alright.. I run Serpentis 4/10s in a Harpy and before I got T2 guns it took a while to break the tank on the last Battleship... I couldnt see 5 drones doing any better than that... But it would have been great running low sec combat sites in a Frig.... Guess Ill have to train Heavy IIs and Sentry IIs for a Gila myself..
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 491	Posted - 2012.05.25 22:27:00 - [17] - Quote Pinstar Colton wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: What are the local belt rats? That can definitely influence which ships work better than others. Blood Raiders A Vexor will be able to handle all mags/radars (but keep an eye out for neuting cruisers in those). It will also take Provisional Outpost, Outpost, and Mul-Zatah Monastery (4/10). It will die immediately in Minor Annex and is very unlikely to survive Annex. The last room of Psychotropics Depot (5/10) will kill it and you won't be able to complete Crimson Hand Supply Depot (6/10) due to lack of damage. Combat ladars (if relevant) are going to be rough in a Vexor but I suppose they might be workable. A Gila will probably run everything, but expect needing max skills to get needed damage in the 6/10. You're going to need a very heavy tank fit for Minor Annex or 5/10.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service 30	Posted - 2012.05.26 01:19:00 - [18] - Quote Karmu Ivanostrov wrote: Have never flown the Worm.... But it only seems to be able to field 5 small drones... Is that enough dps for low sec sites? Not the combat sites, no. But OP was asking about the mini-profession sites which it is more than capable of handling. Obviously takes longer than using an Ishtar or Tengu. But much higher survival rate.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 808	Posted - 2012.05.26 08:16:00 - [19] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: It will die immediately in Minor Annex and is very unlikely to survive Annex. I've only done three Minor Annexes, one Blood and two Serps, and maybe I've been doing them wrong (I don't read walk-throughs), but I found them very challenging sites for some reason. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman

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