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Karpathias
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:21:00 -
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I have an Industry alt that I was considering farming Creodron Rep with and training up the necessary skills to use R&D Agents but was wondering if my time is better spent in other areas so I was seeking opinions.
The question I'm asking is specifically: If I do not plan on inventing or building Tech II items will I get a good ROI from selling datacores on the Market?
Your opinions are valued, thanks all. |
Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:23:00 -
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Karpathias wrote:I have an Industry alt that I was considering farming Creodron Rep with and training up the necessary skills to use R&D Agents but was wondering if my time is better spent in other areas so I was seeking opinions.
The question I'm asking is specifically: If I do not plan on inventing or building Tech II items will I get a good ROI from selling datacores on the Market?
Your opinions are valued, thanks all.
You need to read the recent changes to datacores and their relationship to FW. Right now, it's hard to comment on it without seeing the impact FW has on the market price of datacores. It's also more expensive to simply farm them as it was pre-Inferno. |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:32:00 -
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Karpathias wrote:I have an Industry alt that I was considering farming Creodron Rep with and training up the necessary skills to use R&D Agents but was wondering if my time is better spent in other areas so I was seeking opinions.
The question I'm asking is specifically: If I do not plan on inventing or building Tech II items will I get a good ROI from selling datacores on the Market?
Your opinions are valued, thanks all.
This is easy. Don't bother.
The LP payout of FW coupled with the low price (at least at the best sov level - 25LP + 25K isk per datacore) can only cause the price to drop. It will take a while to even out, but at a generous 4000 isk per LP, that would give datacores a base price of 125K.
Now, the perfect pricing isn't always going to be available, but the adjustment factor is so huge that I would fully expect most or all people to hoard their LP until their faction has best or, at worst, second best pricing, and then cash out. |
Karpathias
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:45:00 -
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Thanks guys, I think i will put that idea on the back burner for now and pursue other avenues. |
Heun zero
Reliant Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:41:00 -
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seriously the way that datacore farming is right now. It requires absolutely 0 effort to get them. It's basically free isk. This is why ccp is changing them. But with ccp you never know when they will actually implement these changes into the game. I'd say it would probably still pay off to farm datacores atm |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:43:00 -
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Heun zero wrote:seriously the way that datacore farming is right now. It requires absolutely 0 effort to get them. It's basically free isk. This is why ccp is changing them. But with ccp you never know when they will actually implement these changes into the game. I'd say it would probably still pay off to farm datacores atm
What the **** are you on about? They've already changed it. |
Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:29:00 -
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Heun zero wrote:seriously the way that datacore farming is right now. It requires absolutely 0 effort to get them. It's basically free isk. This is why ccp is changing them. But with ccp you never know when they will actually implement these changes into the game. I'd say it would probably still pay off to farm datacores atm
Having to haul in your data cores isn't free. It may be something that you can do pretty easily while afk and on auto-pilot, but if prices crater, they could still be worse than just running L4 couriers (which requires almost no skill investment). |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.26 00:44:00 -
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Karpathias wrote:I have an Industry alt that I was considering farming Creodron Rep with and training up the necessary skills to use R&D Agents but was wondering if my time is better spent in other areas so I was seeking opinions.
The question I'm asking is specifically: If I do not plan on inventing or building Tech II items will I get a good ROI from selling datacores on the Market?
Your opinions are valued, thanks all.
no, leave that to click nerds loving walls of screens 
Put that sp in guns and go kill rats. |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
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Posted - 2012.05.26 00:49:00 -
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Karpathias wrote:I have an Industry alt that I was considering farming Creodron Rep with and training up the necessary skills to use R&D Agents but was wondering if my time is better spent in other areas so I was seeking opinions.
The question I'm asking is specifically: If I do not plan on inventing or building Tech II items will I get a good ROI from selling datacores on the Market?
Your opinions are valued, thanks all.
I would suggest PI as an alternative to doing anything related to T2 production.
With T2 production CCP have made the future very uncertain, but we know that PI will be linked to Dust, so they will have to keep it healthy. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2012.05.26 00:59:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:The LP payout of FW coupled with the low price (at least at the best sov level - 25LP + 25K isk per datacore) can only cause the price to drop.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659
For datacores assigned to winning factions (Minmatar - min.ss.eng, mecheng, molec.eng., nuc.phys), sure, I can see prices of those above 200k falling to under 200k ISK, and probably even more if the win/lose situation not just persists but actually gets better for them (maybe even as low as 50k, who knows).
However, for those linked to losing factions (Amarr - amm.ss.eng, grav.phys, HEphys, las.phys, nen.eng), not so much, since those shoot up to 400LP+400k ISK, or an expected value of at least 800k per piece from FW sources, which means the old tried and true sources (i.e. R&D agents) remain the only feasible option, so I expect the price of most of those to go up (exception for ss.eng which will might go down for a while, then back up again, due to temporary boost in accumulated RP efficiency) and stay up as long as the FW sov situation persists.
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Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2012.05.26 03:34:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:The LP payout of FW coupled with the low price (at least at the best sov level - 25LP + 25K isk per datacore) can only cause the price to drop. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659For datacores assigned to winning factions (Minmatar - min.ss.eng, mecheng, molec.eng., nuc.phys), sure, I can see prices of those above 200k falling to under 200k ISK, and probably even more if the win/lose situation not just persists but actually gets better for them (maybe even as low as 50k, who knows). However, for those linked to losing factions (Amarr - amm.ss.eng, grav.phys, HEphys, las.phys, nen.eng), not so much, since those shoot up to 400LP+400k ISK, or an expected value of at least 800k per piece from FW sources, which means the old tried and true sources (i.e. R&D agents) remain the only feasible option, so I expect the price of most of those to go up (exception for ss.eng which will might go down for a while, then back up again, due to temporary boost in accumulated RP efficiency) and stay up as long as the FW sov situation persists.
Actually, my previous numbers were off - I thought Minmatar was at T5, but they're not. They're only at T4. So the T3 price should be 50 + 50, the T2 price should be 100, and the T1 price should be 200 + 200. Also, Mech Eng will never be high again - every faction can cashout for those. I would expect that, ultimately, everything will settle out at the T3 price (which both sides can have simultaneously).
At the T3 price of 50+50 (which both factions can have simultaneously), and given that under the new system you rack up tens of thousands of LP for so much as sneezing in a faction warfare system, I doubt we'll see 800K datacores.
Even in the min/amarr war, Amarr could get to T2 simply by upgrading their systems - they just haven't yet. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1102
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Posted - 2012.05.26 04:13:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Mech Eng will never be high again - every faction can cashout for those.
Are you sure about that ? Because from that devblog it seems that only minnies can.
Haulie Berry wrote:I doubt we'll see 800K datacores.
Of course we won't see 800k datacores, just like we seldom saw any datacores above 400k before, there's always the R&D agent procurement route if the FW one is not profitable enough.
I'd expect most datacores to never actually go above 500k or thereabouts (and most of them to remain far below that most of the time), except maybe in a brief speculation frenzy.
Haulie Berry wrote:T3 price should be 50 + 50, the T2 price should be 100, and the T1 price should be 200 + 200.
AFAIK, T3 (base) 50+50, T4 25+25, T2 100+100, T5 12.5+12.5, T1 200+200...
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Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2012.05.26 04:17:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Mech Eng will never be high again - every faction can cashout for those. Are you sure about that ? Because from that devblog it seems that only minnies can.
Yep. IIRC, someone pointed out that Mech Eng is used in a disproportionate amount of inventions so they spread it out. Actually, it might just be one race on each side. Let me check, but it is definitely more than just minmatar.
Edit - Inferno patch notes:
Datacore offers have been added to Factional Warfare Militia Corporations (250 LP and 250,000 ISK for a package of 5):
24th Imperial Crusade: Amarrian Starship Engineering, High Energy Physics, Laser Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Nanite Engineering.
State Protectorate: Caldari Starship Engineering, Graviton Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Quantum Physics, Rocket Science.
Federal Defense Union: Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering, Gallentean Starship Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Plasma Physics.
Tribal Liberal Force: Hydromagnetic Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Minmatar Starship Engineering, Molecular Engineering, Nuclear Physics. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1102
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Posted - 2012.05.26 04:26:00 -
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Hmm, yeah, apparently they changed it from minies only to everybody. Or maybe the devblog had a typo and they intended to have them for everybody from the start ?
I wonder for how much will FW LP end up going for, will they drop below 1k per LP or not, and if yes, by how much. If minnies can push forward a bit more, and if FW LP drops to well under 1k, you may even start saying hello to ~20k ISK mecheng datacores 
Oh well, cheap mecheng FTW, and cheaper invention overhead for ships, hooray ! 
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Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2012.05.26 04:47:00 -
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The income rate is obscene relative to the cost. It's also worth a ton right now (with a little finagling I think there are some items on minmatar side that can be turned around for about 8000/isk per LP. I got 34,500 LP for one plex earlier...), but I don't see how it could possibly last.
I also expect to see a lot of moving between teams and possibly some organized manipulation taking place unless the general FW population increases to a point to make that unfeasible.
One downside is that, at least for the time being, there's not as much fighting as I would like. The payout for PvE is so immensely lucrative that everyone is getting-while-the-getting-is-good, which largely precludes fighting each other. |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2012.05.26 17:03:00 -
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Heh, there may come a time where warzone control come close to a 50:50 split as it's generally more profitable to do so.
Sort of like an unoffical agreement between parties, similar to what happened in incursions.
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Aluka 7th
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:49:00 -
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If you use R&D agent for RP that you will convert to data-cores then this math stands:
1.With lvl 4 agent and lvl 4 in related skill around 90RPs/day are generated.
2. BEFORE 50RP=1data-core; NOW 100RP+10k ISK=1data-core.
Prices from current 180-260k should go to 370-530k but that still means you will be getting <500k ISK max. per day per agent so not that much... but still its passive income.
Personally I wouldn't skill up for that if I have anything else on plate.. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.26 21:16:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Defending plexes gives no LP
Other than the LP for killing people, and the lack of LP lost from your system upgrades.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:28:00 -
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Truth be told, we can speculate all we want but changes to the system were just made not even a week ago. So we have idea what it will do to the market so we can't tell you if it's worth investing in it right now. So if I were you I take that time/SP and invest in something else that would be more useful till we find out what the full effect of this will have in the coming months.
Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Heun zero
Reliant Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2012.05.27 09:25:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Heun zero wrote:seriously the way that datacore farming is right now. It requires absolutely 0 effort to get them. It's basically free isk. This is why ccp is changing them. But with ccp you never know when they will actually implement these changes into the game. I'd say it would probably still pay off to farm datacores atm What the **** are you on about? They've already changed it.
lol, epic fail then ;) I havent really been keeping up with the science and industry side of eve apparently.
/me bows his head in shame and walks away
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