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Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.08.01 20:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 01/08/2009 20:22:04 Here is an Excel file for those who want to know WHERE they are in wormspace. Wormhole System Locator (v1.0) (alternative url) It's based on the latest db dump (see second tab). I know Excel isn't exactly made for doing this but it works . It was fun creating it. Here is a screenshot: I will leave it to the reader to determine whether it is of any use. It's mostly for fun anyway. Regards, M.M.
rubico1337	Posted - 2009.08.01 20:09:00 - [2] this would be great if one could cyno between WH systems
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.08.02 04:56:00 - [3] Originally by: rubico1337 this would be great if one could cyno between WH systems Yeah wouldn't it be interesting if CCP would allow cynos for say 2 weeks every half year or so (e.g. a random date) in W-space Those would be interesting days of the year... Regards, M.M.
rubico1337	Posted - 2009.08.02 06:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Miss Moonwych Originally by: rubico1337 this would be great if one could cyno between WH systems Yeah wouldn't it be interesting if CCP would allow cynos for say 2 weeks every half year or so (e.g. a random date) in W-space Those would be interesting days of the year... Regards, M.M. why not just have your jump range determine whether you can jump or not? if there are two WH systems within jump range and you have "mapped" it out, why shouldnt you reap the benefits?
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.08.02 19:21:00 - [5] Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 02/08/2009 19:21:39 Originally by: rubico1337 why not just have your jump range determine whether you can jump or not? if there are two WH systems within jump range and you have "mapped" it out, why shouldnt you reap the benefits? I guess several of the big alliances would occupy all solarsystems in the single Class 6 region (lower left in reddish color of map) and there would be no way for others to go there. But a temporary lift of the cyno restriction would be interesting I think. Anyway. For now you can at least see where you are (I always want to know for some reason). Regards, M.M.
Angor KAHONAS	Posted - 2009.08.03 01:23:00 - [6] sov and jump bridges between systems under 5au away would be nice one day. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Mad Maulkin	Posted - 2009.08.03 10:19:00 - [7] But isn't the deal that W-space is far away, if you try to plot a course to empire from W-space you get like 20 mill jumps to home. So you cant cyno cause its "in a galaxy far far away"tm.
rubico1337	Posted - 2009.08.03 11:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Mad Maulkin But isn't the deal that W-space is far away, if you try to plot a course to empire from W-space you get like 20 mill jumps to home. So you cant cyno cause its "in a galaxy far far away"tm. not between WH systems, the distances are quite manageable actually
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.08.04 01:32:00 - [9] Btw I was wondering: has anyone ever seen a WH leading to a system in the same region he or she was in? Regards, M.M.
V Mining	Posted - 2009.08.08 10:45:00 - [10] Not in the same region but I've been "through" a Wh and come out 9 jumps away from where I went in.
Babel Boom and Bust Economics Ltd. N0thing To See Here	Posted - 2009.08.08 11:26:00 - [11] Originally by: rubico1337 Originally by: Mad Maulkin But isn't the deal that W-space is far away, if you try to plot a course to empire from W-space you get like 20 mill jumps to home. So you cant cyno cause its "in a galaxy far far away"tm. not between WH systems, the distances are quite manageable actually How do you tell the distance with no scale? .... Could the scale of the W-Space map be 1000 times that of the K-Space map ? . "Out of the good of evil born, Came Uriel's voice of cherub scorn"
rubico1337	Posted - 2009.08.08 11:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Babel Originally by: rubico1337 Originally by: Mad Maulkin But isn't the deal that W-space is far away, if you try to plot a course to empire from W-space you get like 20 mill jumps to home. So you cant cyno cause its "in a galaxy far far away"tm. not between WH systems, the distances are quite manageable actually How do you tell the distance with no scale? .... Could the scale of the W-Space map be 1000 times that of the K-Space map ? thats for me to know and you to never find out
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.08.08 12:27:00 - [13] Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 08/08/2009 12:32:46 Originally by: Babel Originally by: rubico1337 not between WH systems, the distances are quite manageable actually How do you tell the distance with no scale? .... Could the scale of the W-Space map be 1000 times that of the K-Space map ? There are at least two ways: Judging by the the database dump we can see that the W-galaxy is almost the same size as our well known K-galaxy (the W-galaxy is about 20% bigger measuring "vertically" in flat map mode). When you put down POS-es in W-systems you can/could see the distances between the POS you're currently at to all other POS-es in W-space (in lightyears). Originally by: V Mining Not in the same region but I've been "through" a Wh and come out 9 jumps away from where I went in. Interesting. I assume this was a K-system to K-system WH since you talk about "9 jumps"? Has anybody seen a WH starting in a W-system and leading to a W-system but in the same W-region? Regards, M.M. PS. I believe Wormhole Thingy (also) shows the W-region (Region ID).
Keledia The Photon Raiders	Posted - 2009.08.08 16:33:00 - [14] I have a couple of questions: If we overlayed your sceenshot onto the flat version of the eve star map, then the class 6 WH's can only accessed in delve/querious/aridia area? Or is this showing us where we are when inside the wormhole? So, if we were inside a class 6 then we'd be near delve/querious/aridia? Finally, the 'locus sig'; what's that? Is it like a reference point?
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.08.08 17:39:00 - [15] Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 08/08/2009 17:42:49 Originally by: Keledia I have a couple of questions: If we overlayed your sceenshot onto the flat version of the eve star map, then the class 6 WH's can only accessed in delve/querious/aridia area? Hehe. I have been wondering this myself. My (limited) statistical analysis so far has not shown there is a definitive relation between location in K-space and location in W-space (in case of WHs that connect either from W to K space or K to W space). Also not between location in W-space in case of a W-W wormhole (rather what looks like an anti-correlation, see above, but this could be coincidence). However I still only have a relatively small set of data. The time correlaton between the first release of Apocrypha (on Sisi) and the Goons moving to Delve is striking though . Originally by: Keledia Or is this showing us where we are when inside the wormhole? So, if we were inside a class 6 then we'd be near delve/querious/aridia? The W-galaxy is actually very far to the right and below of the K-galaxy (New Eden) when you could look at both in "flat mode" (in the first test version of Apocyrpha this could be seen in the F11 maps, which was fixed later on). And in the map in my Excel file you see the positions of the W-systems in this W-galaxy. All class 6 systems are in one W-region (positioned in the lower-left quandrant of the W-galaxy). What you thus see on this map is the W-galaxy only. Originally by: Keledia Finally, the 'locus sig'; what's that? Is it like a reference point? It's the solar system name. When you move into W-space you will see it on screen where you normally see the solarsystem name. You can also see these Jxxxxxxx numbers when you create bookmarks in these systems. If you fill in your locus sig then one of the dots will turn blue: thats where you are now . Regards, M.M.
Keledia The Photon Raiders	Posted - 2009.08.08 23:21:00 - [16] Hehe. Thanks for the replies M.M. Quite interesting that you found all this information out. I'll certainly download it now, although i barely venture into WH's; i mainly explore for plexes or profession sites, but nonetheless.
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.08.09 04:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 09/08/2009 04:25:25 Originally by: Keledia Hehe. Thanks for the replies M.M. Quite interesting that you found all this information out. I'll certainly download it now, although i barely venture into WH's; i mainly explore for plexes or profession sites, but nonetheless. Here is a partial screenshot of the two galaxies in the map browser (F11) on early Sisi version of Apocrypha: I'm in New Eden atm of the screenshot (red circle). But to the far right and below of the top browser map you see the W-galaxy. Took me a little time to dig up this screenie but now you can see the scale of it all . Regards, M.M. PS. I'm still investigating the relations between Wormhole Signature Size (which can be determined before initiating warp to a WH) and start+end class + naming/code of these wormholes. Conclusion so far: there definatly is one... (btw if you want to know way I mean with Signature Size or determine it yourself of WHs you might wanna read this. It's a bit old now (Deep space are now 4 times weaker) but I still use it.). All K162's for example have Signature/Target Size of 10. But the other WHs also have distinct sizes. And you will only see certain WH names in certain classes (not just to certain classes). In other words: there is a lot of information available about a wormhole before you even try to warp to it... PPS. I have come to tentative conclusion that the K162 side is created the moment you initiate warp to the named side of the WH.
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.08.09 06:19:00 - [18] Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 09/08/2009 06:24:33 If you want to know what I mean with Signature Size or determine it yourself about WHs you might wanna read this. That thread is a bit old now (Deep space probes are now 4 times weaker than they were then, Triangulation skill is now called Rangefinding) and it's based on Sisi data so I'm posting a new version here. It's a small Excel file to calculate the max sig strength for different classes of targets/signatures. Max Target Strength Calc v0.5.xls (alternative link) Here a screenshot: I still use (a printout of) it in order to determine the Sig Size of Wormholes (or any other signatures for that matter). And it can also be used for determining what you can (and cannot) scan to 100% given your skills/implants/equipment. Works like a charm. Regards, M.M.
Bilbo II Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.09 06:27:00 - [19] Yes I have found a WH the ended in the same region i was in.
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.08.09 19:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Bilbo II Yes I have found a WH the ended in the same region i was in. Ah thanks. I assume that both ends of the WH were in K-space?
Tereliss Verr	Posted - 2009.08.10 10:51:00 - [21] bump

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