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ISHKUR MASTER
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.02 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: ISHKUR MASTER on 02/08/2009 13:30:05
So much for and against AVG.
Personally, it's a win with me.
I run it on multiple machines, commercial licensed version, subscripted and I run the free - free edition for my home use, not the 30day free trial. The free edition has saved me numerous times over the years as much as the commercial version has.
Commercially I would run the free edition but that is against their eula so being supportive myself of how well impressed I was I subbed for our business interests as well.
In support of AVG a sys admin, for a international company came to set up software on our servers to link us in with their db, he runs his preferred Commercial AV software, actually they run a couple, when he inserted his hardrive to move data over to our servers, AVG shut him down, infected drive, big smiles for us, and astonishment for him.
I use file forum to get the most frequent entirely free, free edition AVG, the link is not usually up on AVG's website themselves, only their 30day free one.
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/AVG-AntiVirus-Free/1028312263/1
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.02 13:31:00 -
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I have always used AVG too as I found the others so bloated and system hungry I hated them. But really nothing is 100% and if someone is dumb enough they will get the keylogger.
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2009.08.02 14:03:00 -
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Basically, there's several things to be wary of:
- initial infection: At time this is a PEBCAK-type problem (problem exists between chair and keyboard), but at times, as noted, can happen completely hidden from the user. Some scanners may warn against this type of intrusion due to heuristics (i.e. detecting malware based on how they act, not on code fingerprints)
- activity: the malware runs on the background, possibly on a fake process name. Some scanners will warn of keyloggers or other programs that are set to capture keystrokes from the background (for example, some scanners at least used to warn of EVE Voice, since it always monitors the push-to-talk key).
- call home: the keylogger transports the data it has collected back to its users. Some firewalls might help by blocking the outbound connections, but it isn't 100% idiotproof as some malware knows how to deploy themselves as a part of some "legitimate" program, on a low-level app bypassing the firewall (i.e. as a root kit) or disable the firewall.
The threat can be estimated on several factors, including how popular browser you're using and how common is your configuration. Using Opera on a Linux system, for example, you could be reasonably certain that there's very few pieces of malevolent code that targets your box (or even works on your box). Of course, no system can protect you against such things as man-in-the-middle (phishing) attacks (except Common Sense, and even it may fail at times - though usually the attackers won't bother making too good a work since there's plenty of dumb people).
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Taedrin
Gallente
Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.08.02 16:45:00 -
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 Originally by: destinationunreachable
virus scanner just look out for known code.
They will catch any know viruses and some modified forms.
If the keylogger is a known one, that has just been used for that specific purposed most will certainly recognize the code and warn you.
If the code has been coded specifically and not yet spread (or the anti-virus vendor notified) there is no chance to catch it with any known anti-virus or firewall or whatever.
Actually, many virus scanners these days use heuristics to find viruses which do not have a corresponding definition. This works by having the virus scanner analyze the behavior of an executable file. If the executable file does a lot of questionable things such as modifying system files, or injecting it's own code into other files. Heuristics are much more likely to give false positives or false negatives as they are not true algorithms.
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.02 17:17:00 -
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Google a anti-trojan/keylogger program called "The Cleaner".
it is not a "virus Scanner" as such, it just scans for Trojans and Keyloggers. Its something you use in addition to your standard anti-virus as it picks up lots of stuff that anti-virus programs do not.
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ArmaggedonPSA
Minmatar
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.08.02 17:20:00 -
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destinationunreachable
Hello Kitty Fanclub
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Posted - 2009.08.02 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Actually, many virus scanners these days use heuristics to find viruses which do not have a corresponding definition. This works by having the virus scanner analyze the behavior of an executable file. If the executable file does a lot of questionable things such as modifying system files, or injecting it's own code into other files. Heuristics are much more likely to give false positives or false negatives as they are not true algorithms.
Heuristics is completely overrated and only catches a minority of offending code. proper blind recognition (like sandboxing) is not doable with reasonable cpu power.
Todays so-called heuristic are simply rules at system level.
Proper coded a program that records keystrokes via a system hook and sends them out is not catchable.
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quickshot89
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 18:53:00 -
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simple answer is no,avast is much better and doesnt screw up on windows 7/ vista
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.02 19:59:00 -
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AVG, etc is not the answer. Anti-virus, no-script these are all preventative measures. But you can still get a trojan that gets packaged with some other program you think you need.
The best defense against keyloggers is a passkey program. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_manager
I use roboform so it's the only one I can recommend from experience. I don't type in the passwords so a keylogger won't phase me even if it gets on my computer somehow. But the important reason why a password manager is useful for everyone is because you're not always on your own computer. You may be at school, the library, your friend's house, and have no clue what the heck is on those other computers, a password manager allows you to safely work on other computers too. For example, I don't even need to type the master password. I can click a button then use the mouse to enter my password.
So if you are worried about keyloggers, get a password manager program. Roboform, iMacros, OpenID, KeePass, etc..
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.08.02 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: quickshot89
simple answer is no,avast is much better and doesnt screw up on windows 7/ vista
*Siren Blares*
CAUTION! A VIRUS HAS BEEN DETECTED!
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Pulivin Krenensky
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Posted - 2009.08.02 20:34:00 -
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Thanks for the help guys, I downloaded Avast and just by the look of it I can tell im safer lol thanks guys
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Haraldur Novettam
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
The only problem with Comodo, is the huge amount of false positives you get.
As in virus false positives? Or are you referring to the defense+ system?
Comodo Antivirus and others offer HIPS systems, which detect dll injections, keyboard hooks, whatever...
They alert you if any unauthorized code is trying to execute or do any evil stuff.
This kind of systems can be annoying and frightening to someone who doesn't know what the alerts mean. But if you are paranoid there is nothing better as you get notified of anything.
But after using it for a while and answering the prompts correctly all the software one uses gets the right permissions and you only get notified on new software you add. (or unintentionally add, and that's where it comes in handy)
Personally i use both the Firewall and AV from Comodo and i am very happy with them. (and they are free, plus the comodo team is cool  as they interact with the users in the forums in the same way as CCP does)
Other vendors also offer similar systems.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known
Originally by: quickshot89
simple answer is no,avast is much better and doesnt screw up on windows 7/ vista
*Siren Blares*
CAUTION! A VIRUS HAS BEEN DETECTED!
imagine that at a considerable sound volume at 3am in the morning.
yes it happened to me
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Shakari Sween
Gallente
freelancers inc
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:40:00 -
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I've found avast to be the best free antivirus out there, has detected everything so far for me, love the alerts and the cool voice when you get updates, but thats just me. Comodo firewall is a good thing to have, once you get over all the notifications you get.
I've had other people come to me with virus problems, all of them have been running AVG, they get one little virus that screws up their automatic updates and then that basicly opens the flood gates for any other virus, personaly I've never had problems with anything like that happening with avast.
Best way to protect your self is to not go on the internet, next best way is to limit the places you visit to only a very very few trusted ones. Though surfing the web through a VM could be interesting saftey wise, as long as you dont mind rebuilding it every week or so.
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Mova B
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Posted - 2009.08.02 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen
AVG is quite unimpressive. Buy NOD32 or get Antivir, which is not quite as good, but is certainly better than AVG. And it is also free. Which firewall, BTW?
NOD32 AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Saju Somtaaw
Gallente
Kiowa Tribe
MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.03 03:37:00 -
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I use AVG and don't haven't had any trouble with malware/viruses/spyware/keyloggers etc.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Agent Known
Originally by: quickshot89
simple answer is no,avast is much better and doesnt screw up on windows 7/ vista
*Siren Blares*
CAUTION! A VIRUS HAS BEEN DETECTED!
imagine that at a considerable sound volume at 3am in the morning.
yes it happened to me
I was in the middle of a certain activity with my Ex when it went off just as we were finishing.
We laughed for the remainder of the week about it. It has provided many hilarious moments, one including the "Your virus database has been Up-Dated!" one
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: TRD 2371 on 03/08/2009 04:06:22
am i the only one who finds it odd to dsicuss it here where keyloggers can "adapt" any details and such
yes im a noob
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.08.03 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kolatha on 03/08/2009 05:32:04
Originally by: Haraldur Novettam
Originally by: Xen Gin
The only problem with Comodo, is the huge amount of false positives you get.
As in virus false positives?
...snip...
This.
Comodo can, on occasion, but nowhere close to being the "huge amount" Haraldur is suggesting, report an otherwise safe file as being suspicious. Usually because the file in question uses code or behaves in a similar way to real malicious code, sticking hooks where there is no need or reading the keyboard buffer in an unusual manner. Mostly this occurs when the programmer has done something stupid and uneccessary in guise of being "clever and code efficient".
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