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Tesfoutu
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Posted - 2009.08.03 03:46:00 -
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I apologize for the absolute nubtastic thread, but I've recently decided to take a stab at industry. My plan calls for the installation of a pos, a topic I unfortunately know nothing about. I've done my best to read up on whatever I can find, but I still have a few questions. I understand the rules concerning faction and I also know that a pos has to be anchored to a moon. What I'm not sure about is how exactly to find a vacant moon (assuming each moon can host only one pos). Are scanning skills required? If so which? And would they be quick to skill up, or would I be better off hiring an explorer to find me a suitable spot instead of trying to do it myself? If anyone with experience in this field could shed some light on my confusion, I would really appreciate it. Thank you very much =P
Tesfoutu
(I tried posting this in the new players thread, but later deemed this subforum to be a bit more appropriate)
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:05:00 -
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You can do it with your onboard ship scanner.
Simply fly out into space and pick a small cluster of moons, point your camera at the cluster and narrow the scan angle right down. Count the number of moons and the number of towers in the result. If number of moons > number of towers then start to narrow it down. Fly into the cluster and start picking out individual moons, scan with a 5 degree angle and see if there's a tower, change your range if needed.
Just scan around until you find a moon without a tower (also check that there isn't an NPC station at the moon).
This isn't a perfect scan guide, but hopefully you get the idea. You don't need to fly to every moon - scan down likely candidates with the onboard scanner and fly to the most likely ones. After a bit of expereience, you'll be able to do it quite quickly and easily.
PS: I'm assuming you're in high-sec. Don't fly to low-sec or 0.0 moons unless you're sure you've scanned them properly - they'll probably shoot you (well not the moon, but the thing parked next to it).
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Tesfoutu
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:29:00 -
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Just to clarify, you're saying that I am to use my system scanner to find a cluster of moons, and then my directional scanner to pick them apart one by one? Trying to use my system scanner but it seems to be picking up nothing atm. Sorry, I'm an absolute scanning nub =P
Tesfoutu
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Tesfoutu
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:43:00 -
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Just an update, been flying around the system and haven't been able to get anything to show up on my system scanner. Directional scanner has produced lots of player owned structures, but nothing as far as unclaimed moons go. Or any moons for that matter. What is this nub doing wrong? =P
Tesfoutu
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.03 05:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Tesfoutu
Just an update, been flying around the system and haven't been able to get anything to show up on my system scanner. Directional scanner has produced lots of player owned structures, but nothing as far as unclaimed moons go. Or any moons for that matter. What is this nub doing wrong? =P
Tesfoutu
There's a little box at the top of the directional scanner that says "Use Current Overview Settings". Make sure that it is checked, then go to your overview settings and make a new tab, call it POS and Moon. Create an overview setting called POS and Moon, by selecting the appropriate objects to be displayed (Moons, control towers, force fields, etc.) and saving it. Make sure that you're on the tab you just created and ensure that you've got POS and Moon overview settings loaded.
Now try a new scan and see what shows up. Also fill the range box on the scanner with 9s (like this 99999999999), press enter and it will default to max range (you might be only scanning 1000km which is the default from memory).
If you're totally new to the scanner set the angle to 360 and range to max, then work your way down in range and angle.
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waitwat
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Posted - 2009.08.03 08:53:00 -
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ok....
plz plz go away troll...
if not troll then:
right click on space go to planets then find one that has the "moon" option in it, go there, warp to it or go to "add moon to the overview" then warp to them direcly from ur overview.
no need to directional scan or any****....
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Mudad
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: wai****
ok....
plz plz go away troll...
if not troll then:
right click on space go to planets then find one that has the "moon" option in it, go there, warp to it or go to "add moon to the overview" then warp to them direcly from ur overview.
no need to directional scan or any****....
Sure if he wants to do it the long winded way, have you seen how many moons are in some systems? Proper use of the directional scanner is much faster than actually warping to all moons and seeing if there is a pos there methinks.
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Honest Smedley
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Posted - 2009.08.03 13:14:00 -
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Adding moons to overview and warping to each - easiest for the newbie.
Learning to use their system scanner - most beneficial in the long term.
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Ohhh Matron
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Posted - 2009.08.03 15:37:00 -
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Try not to put it in a 0.5 system either. Competition for moons will be high and often gangs go looking through the 0.5's looking for POS from small corps to ransom.
Far quieter time if you go for a dull quiet 0.6 or 7 away from any trade or mission hubs.
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Tesfoutu
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Posted - 2009.08.03 15:37:00 -
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Hello again! Thank you for all your suggestions and help. IŠm sorry if I came across as a troll, I realize it was a rather noobish question. Unfortunately I spend most of my time in-station, so thereŠs still a lot of basic activities I havenŠt much experience in.
My confusion stemmed from the frequent mention of the word scanner, and my belief that the overview and scanner were two separate entities, and not connected at all. I kept thinking that the scanner was the first option when opening the scanner tab, which I now believe is to be used in conjunction with probes. I didnŠt know all the moons in a system would show up on the overview with the proper settings, nor did I realize that you could use your overview settings as a filter on the directional scanner.
I spent most of last night trying to figure this out, and I think IŠve arrived at a good strategy. I set my overview standings to view moons and control towers. I then warp to the sun, which is always the center of the galaxy. I then do a directional scan 360 degrees wtih my overview settings set to filter. Finally, I count the number of moons picked up and the number of stations, and if there is a difference between them, that means there is an unoccupied moon.
I realize that for larger systems, I may have to scan at multiple points. But for the systems in my area, this has worked rather well. Does anyone have any advice or suggestions as far as that goes? Thank you very much for answering my questions =P
tesfoutu
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Spud Mackenzie
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:02:00 -
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The 360 scan sounds like a good idea, but it'd probably be a little easier to scan from each planet.
If your range can reach the first few planets from solar orbit, that's all well and good... until you see there are 37 moons and 36 POS... then you have to play Hide and Seek with the unoccupied moon. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:05:00 -
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Gah you all are making this more complicated than it needs to be.
Warp to a planet. Open directional scanner and set reasonable distance and 360 degrees. Scan for towers, if number of towers = number of moons then move to the next planet.
This cluster this is mind boggling, and the warp to zero on every moon is tedious.
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Grumpy Munchkin
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Posted - 2009.08.03 17:24:00 -
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get out of ship
undock
visit each moon in your system
locate empty one
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:33:00 -
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Keep in mind that the ship's Directional Scanner has a range of just over 14 AU (1 AU = roughly 150,000,000 km).
If the system is bigger than that across, you have to move around to scan it all.
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Tank Charlie
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2009.08.03 20:12:00 -
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Tes ... I like Grumpy's suggestion to get out in a pod and go survey the moons. The POS will not aggress you if you are in a pod, where it might if you were in a ship ... depending on how the POS is configured.
This does assume that you are either looking to put up a POS in high sec (since you mentioned faction standings in your OP), or that you're looking in a very quiet part of low sec. If you can fly a cloaked covops, that would be another alternative ... just make sure you're warping in at range so you don't accidentally get decloaked by a POS.
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Psade
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Gah you all are making this more complicated than it needs to be.
Warp to a planet. Open directional scanner and set reasonable distance and 360 degrees. Scan for towers, if number of towers = number of moons then move to the next planet.
This cluster this is mind boggling, and the warp to zero on every moon is tedious.
This is what I would suggest as well. This strategy can be fine tuned to locate exactly which moons are populated from the planets.
Put moons and towers on overview, scan at 360 degrees a little farther than the furthest moon from the planet. If moons > towers, you can toy with the range of directional to see which ones are empty.
Example: Warp to a planet that has 24 moons. Set directional to scan a little further than you currently are from moon 24. Let's say the scan returns 22 towers, so 2 of those 24 moons are not occupied. To pinpoint, start by reducing scan range to moon 12. That scan reveals 12 towers, so now you know that none of the closest 12 moons are available. Now set the scan to pick up 18 moons and check again. Repeat this until you know which moons are available. It sounds a little complicated but it is very easy to execute quickly.
Note: You could also consider adding 'force field' to overview instead of towers. Sometimes people set up towers and then quit the game or something. The towers run out of fuel and go offline. If you really want a POS in a certain system, you could try deccing and killing an offline tower. At your own risk, of course!
Convo me if you need some help setting the POS up once you find a place. This is even more goofy and complicated than finding a moon <_<
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tesfoutu
Hello again! Thank you for all your suggestions and help. IŠm sorry if I came across as a troll, I realize it was a rather noobish question. Unfortunately I spend most of my time in-station, so thereŠs still a lot of basic activities I havenŠt much experience in.
My confusion stemmed from the frequent mention of the word scanner, and my belief that the overview and scanner were two separate entities, and not connected at all. I kept thinking that the scanner was the first option when opening the scanner tab, which I now believe is to be used in conjunction with probes. I didnŠt know all the moons in a system would show up on the overview with the proper settings, nor did I realize that you could use your overview settings as a filter on the directional scanner.
I spent most of last night trying to figure this out, and I think IŠve arrived at a good strategy. I set my overview standings to view moons and control towers. I then warp to the sun, which is always the center of the galaxy. I then do a directional scan 360 degrees wtih my overview settings set to filter. Finally, I count the number of moons picked up and the number of stations, and if there is a difference between them, that means there is an unoccupied moon.
I realize that for larger systems, I may have to scan at multiple points. But for the systems in my area, this has worked rather well. Does anyone have any advice or suggestions as far as that goes? Thank you very much for answering my questions =P
tesfoutu
Sounds like you're getting the idea.
Keep practicing with the scanner - it's a very useful tool if you know how to use it properly.
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:53:00 -
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This doesn't have to be made complicated with using scanners and stuff (not that it is that complicated). It is a high-sec POS, right?. Location isn't really that important. You're not going to be mining moon minerals. Just right click in space -> show solar system in "whatever it calls it" so that in the bottom right part of your screen you will get a view of the solar system. Just right click on the cluster of planets/moons you'd like to be located at, select a moon, and warp to it. If there's no pos, you have your location. If there is a POS there, try another moon, and another, until you find an empty moon. Then put up your POS. Unless you are in a high-demand high-sec POS location, most likely you will warp to an empty moon on your first couple of picks.
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Warp to a planet. Open directional scanner and set reasonable distance and 360 degrees. Scan for towers, if number of towers = number of moons then move to the next planet.
This is the best new tip for the day.
Thanks Kazzac!
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Warp to a planet. Open directional scanner and set reasonable distance and 360 degrees. Scan for towers, if number of towers = number of moons then move to the next planet.
This is the best new tip for the day.
Thanks Kazzac!
Funnily enough I could have sworn I first saw it from you! |
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:54:00 -
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I did it using combat probes. I made a filter that only had "Control Tower" checked. Fired a single combat probe. Set it to 1 AU scan range. Moved it over a planet. Ran one scan and counted the results.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
(also check that there isn't an NPC station at the moon).
Does this happen? I've never seen an NPC tower.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:38:00 -
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No NPC towers, no, but stations do list themselves as (for example) Jita IV, Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant. I have no idea if they conflict with the ability to hang a POS there.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries
No NPC towers, no, but stations do list themselves as (for example) Jita IV, Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant. I have no idea if they conflict with the ability to hang a POS there.
You can't put a POS on a moon that has an NPC station on it.
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