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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.08.04 03:34:00 -
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However, all of this is a moot point as CCP has most likely required all of us to agree to a EULA which forbids us from doing any of the above. Also, they could claim that private servers bypass CCP's DRM, much like what Blizzard did to shut down bnetd. Although, CCP doesn't use CD-keys so they might have more difficulty doing this.
Well they used the EULA to ban those people who did decompile eve back then. Im sure the eula does stop the rest.
I havent really heard much in terms of why you wouldnt want to go open source tbh.
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After reading this thread, one question remains in my mind: Why? I see no valid point in making it open source, despite Jason saying "The advantages are very clear and easy to see".
1. If you have ever had to deal with the bug hunters and that craphole of crap. You are very much so encouraged not to contribute.
2. Legitimate bug reports get filtered for more information... so they dont move forward. Something trac or launchpad does is give the community the ability to read the bug and provide that information. See the bugs and thoroughly debug them. Goto the code and submit code as a patch.
3. The whole purpose of the bughunters kinda dies in this setup. The bug hunters role would essentially just live on as a godmode for singularity basically.
4. The eve community isnt made up of 12 year old little morons like WoW. Many, if not most, can program. Python is essentially a language you can learn in 10 minutes if you know the other languages. You just have to look up the syntax. Ofcoarse 10mins is exagerated because you can be a ccp programmer for 5 years and still not know how to program python. 
5. Open source is a killer of a development method. In many places where the battle came down to open source vs closed source. Open source wins.
I can go on and on.. but i really should goto sleep :(
I really suggest this book. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar
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Gun Gal
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:17:00 -
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or bettern yet,get off your arse, get a better education, and come up with your own game instead of being just another tard who rips off mainstream games.
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Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:26:00 -
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i would LOVE to pull out the .stuff files and mess with the art so that i all the Amarr ships i see are EoM colored or so i can finally get that blood raider punisher ive always wanted...or......BLOOD RAIDER PROVIDENCE 
and then id mess with the shaders and stuff to make ships have better "self shadows" so that everything facing away from the local sun is pitch black and only lit up by the "windows"
the number of mods messing with just the art are almost endless 
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Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gun Gal
or bettern yet,get off your arse, get a better education, and come up with your own game instead of being just another tard who rips off mainstream games.
we use it to get better experience understanding the makings of mainstream games 
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:35:00 -
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I'd like you to explain the exact advantages this would have, because I don't see them.
The client is just a dumb (but fancy) front end for a server side db and world simulation. Even in the hypothetical case that the client is open source, open source development is useless as you're still cut off from doing any important changes. And I'm sure a lot of server side code depends on the client being configured in one standard way, as do the cluster optimizations.
Not only that but there are gameplay and balance issues with removing the consistency of experience, which is the inevitable result here - not some community driven effort to track bugs. How would you even know if something is a bug without the full context?
Also, being able to decompile python is one thing, but a lot of the core performance areas of EVE are being re-written in C++ so good luck with that. The last fully coherent source leak I heard of was the Dragon client (2005-2006)
In short, stop being dumb :\
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.04 06:08:00 -
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A single client that lets me control up to 20 accounts at the same time for single man coordinated blobbing.. Just what we need!
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Clara Mismer
Minmatar
Gulfonodi Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Not sure where to start...
The proper place to start is by acknowledging a great troll
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SirSpectre
Gallente
Harbingers Of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:42:00 -
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Here is where I am confused: Everyone and their dog can get the client code, but how do they get the server side code? Or do you think those hotfixes they talk about all the time are client patches? I bet they keep that server code under lock and key in some uber bank vault with jovian ninja guards so it wont come out.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: SirSpectre
Here is where I am confused: Everyone and their dog can get the client code, but how do they get the server side code? Or do you think those hotfixes they talk about all the time are client patches? I bet they keep that server code under lock and key in some uber bank vault with jovian ninja guards so it wont come out.
Ninja PIRATE Guards, no less.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:45:00 -
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I'm sorry but you only get 2/10 for this troll.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:48:00 -
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show me one rogue eve server out there
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OwlManAtt
Gallente
Yasashii Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:16:00 -
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Client/Server comms are encrypted.
Encryption doesn't protect your data against the sender...you have the original data before it gets encrypted and transmitted, you know. All this does is prevent people in between your computer and TQ from looking at the contents of your packets.
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as to the source, python in theory is de-compilable back to source do to the nature of the language. The source that was leaked years ago was output from decompyle, which was, at the time, open source python decompiling tool.
Decompyle has since gone closed source, partially due to the eve backlash. it is only accessible via a "send in" for cash service now. The last free version only supports python 2.4, supposedly the send in service version supports 2.6, which would be required for the current version of eve. The send in service, for very good reason refuses to decompile code that is copyrighted / otherwise legally protected, as decompiling such code is illegal.
Eh, I've seen a free copy of decompyle that support Python 2.5. _why uses it in his crazy Ruby <=> Python cross-compiler.
Even so, the bits you can decompile aren't terribly interesting - from my understanding, it's mostly UI stuff. PoS behaviour is server-side, the display/audio/network engines are probably C...etc etc.
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I havent really heard much in terms of why you wouldnt want to go open source tbh.
Gee, why would a company that's trying to make money start giving the amazing 3D engine they've been working on for years to their competitors? I can't imagine why CCP isn't jumping on this.
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Kaivos
Pyydys
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:28:00 -
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Hell no to this idea OP
Go hack linux kernel or something else with your free minded open source friends.
Open sourcing a MMO game would spawn gigatons of problems/exploits/ and other game breaking ****..
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:30:00 -
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