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Emaleena Rogers Eternal Horizon 0	Posted - 2012.05.26 21:24:00 - [1] - Quote Hi, first post on the forums. Been playing eve on and off for a year, however I've not yet completed the first epic arc, but I'm back on it now but now I'm standing infront of a brick wall that is Our Man Dagan, So I guess I'm still new to the game. I've did a bit of research on this guy and he is a awkward fight. I'm in a mimitar Rupture and he's using the Mimitar loadout of rockets and autocannons. My current loadout for this fight is 4 x 425mm autocannons loaded with Titanium Sabot M. 2 x Rapid Light Missile Launcher with Scourge Light Missiles. 3 x Armour explosive hardener 1 x Medium Armour repairer 1 x Damage Control 1 2 x Cap Recharger 1 x experimental 10mn afterburner 2 x hobgoblin 1 light scout drones. With this setup I'm keeping to a optimal range of 1000m-1300m however I'm struggling to get past this guy as he just shrugs off anything I throw at him. The most I get him to is 50% armour before he takes my shields and armour down (with all three hardeners and repairer going) before I run out of power and have to bail out. Any tips? I'm determined to solo this guy if it's the last thing I do however I just cant seem to kill him fast enough whilst he just destroys my shields and causes me to run out of power so I'm unable to harden my armour or repair the damage.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club 94	Posted - 2012.05.26 21:32:00 - [2] - Quote Go to http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=ClosingIn1epic and scroll down to Our Man Dagan part. Basically they say you should stay at 10km :) And in general Eve Survival is a good start for searching info about missions. Good luck. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Emaleena Rogers Eternal Horizon 0	Posted - 2012.05.26 22:13:00 - [3] - Quote So I assume if I'm meant to stay at 10km about, then I should be swapping my weapons for something more effective at longer rangers? from what I read he apparantly counters your choice of faction's vessel, so in this case he uses 1500m-2500m autocannons against me?
Louis deGuerre The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 300	Posted - 2012.05.26 22:17:00 - [4] - Quote Fitting more than 2 hardeners of the same type almost never pays of due to the stacking penalty. More than 1 of one type ~~on a frig~~ anything smaller than a battlecruiser is rarely a good idea. You'd better fit a kinetic resist as well vs Dagan. ~~I'm looking with apprehension at the Medium Armour repairer but not a Rifter fit expert so I'll leave it at this, but~~ you're probably better off maximizing resists with an EANM and using small repper. If you fly minmatar I guess he will be strong against Ex and Kin and do Em/Therm damage. So use EMP ammo for max EM/therm damage and tank EM and Therm. EANM + em + therm hardener would be my first guess. Use artillery weapons to get range if you can't tank him. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club 95	Posted - 2012.05.26 22:21:00 - [5] - Quote Louis deGuerre wrote: I'm looking with apprehension at the Medium Armour repairer but not a Rifter fit expert so I'll leave it at this, but you're probably better off maximizing resists with an EANM and using small repper. You noticed he flies ruppie not a rifter, right? :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Louis deGuerre The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 300	Posted - 2012.05.26 22:23:00 - [6] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Louis deGuerre wrote: I'm looking with apprehension at the Medium Armour repairer but not a Rifter fit expert so I'll leave it at this, but you're probably better off maximizing resists with an EANM and using small repper. You noticed he flies ruppie not a rifter, right? :) Ah my bad. Yeah nvm about the repper then. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club 95	Posted - 2012.05.26 22:26:00 - [7] - Quote Emaleena Rogers wrote: So I assume if I'm meant to stay at 10km about, then I should be swapping my weapons for something more effective at longer rangers? from what I read he apparantly counters your choice of faction's vessel, so in this case he uses 1500m-2500m autocannons against me? I think "counters" means he has resists against damage dealt by your race and he hits your ships racial resists holes. If you have skills 425mm autocannons should hit fine at 10km, if you don't have them fit arty and just volley him from 15km or even more. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Oraac Ensor School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.05.27 00:29:00 - [8] - Quote Why does anyone use a cruiser for this? I used a Thrasher with 200mm ACs - and that was only because I lost my Rifter in a ridiculous tactical error in Burning Down the Hive.
gfldex 520	Posted - 2012.05.27 00:40:00 - [9] - Quote Dagan's resistances are as follows: Thermal - 81.3% Kinetic - 77.5% Explosive - 73.8% EM - 85% When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages.
Oraac Ensor School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.05.27 00:52:00 - [10] - Quote I thought Dagan's resistances depended on which ally is chosen?
Emaleena Rogers Eternal Horizon 0	Posted - 2012.05.27 01:13:00 - [11] - Quote I eventually got frustrated and teamed up with a pair of cruisers to just blast it him to pieces, although it still took a while.
gfldex 520	Posted - 2012.05.27 02:03:00 - [12] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: I thought Dagan's resistances depended on which ally is chosen? Not anymore. When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 110	Posted - 2012.05.27 06:45:00 - [13] - Quote I have read somewhere that Dagans-¦ resistances and damage are the same for all 4 paths, so you might consider omni-tanking. Or try that new reactive armor module to find out where he does damage (and which is generally amazing, btw). Anyway, the common opinion on Dagan is to either stay out of his range or get in real close and orbit under his guns. From there it is only a question of wearing him down.... Edit: Also, how about faction ammo? Sure it-¦s a bit more expensive, but might be worth the avoided frustration. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Oraac Ensor School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.05.28 05:05:00 - [14] - Quote Not necessarily faction ammo, but ammo definitely makes a difference. At first Dagan was repairing damage as fast as I could inflict it, so I swapped to a different type and made steady progress from then onwards. Sadly, I can't remember what I swapped from/to.
Elya Tubbs School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.22 23:04:00 - [15] - Quote I don't know what to do, i have started this misson choosing Caldari, it is really strange. First time i get to Dagan, didn't know what was i going to find, and I simply used a cormorant i with some hybrid weapons, mixed weapons, most of them with iron charges. I took off his shields really quickly, even destroyed half his armor. Then, suddenly, it began to boost the shield (that was already below zero) and in few seconds he had 100%. So i reloaded after wasting THOUSANDS of shots. After a week trying the same ammo and weapons i first had, (that destroyed ALL his shield), i wasn't able to dent him. So i began to read the forums, some suggesting to use explosive, some suggesting use vamps, some saying "i did it really quickly" and others saying "no way it is possible without help". I have learned skills, i have a caracal cruiser, filled with NOVA assault missiles (four launchers, two of them Xperimental ones) i have wasted THREE THOUSAND missiles in a row ( I am not exagerating) while using medium vampire at 10km with my cap constantly around 2-10%. I was able to get his shield to 70%, but then boosted again (where does he find cap??? i was under 5% and using the nosferatu!). Then i tried Mjolnir, and after 200 wasted missiles, switched to scourge. Even worse. I have then tryed to use the cormorant again, vampire, with every kinetik damage i could afford. Not a dent. Then used again the caracal with medium hybrid turrets with antimatter ammo at 500m. Not a dent. Then i bought 4 425 medium projectile cannon. I learned projectiles to level 3. Used fusion, not a dent, then sabot, not a dent. Are you all sure that Dagan works as intended????? Specially after having destroyed SO easily ALL his shields the first time just with iron charges. Don't understand nothing.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 880	Posted - 2012.07.22 23:44:00 - [16] - Quote If your DPS is low, you simply have to wear down Dagan's capacitor, as he can't boost forever. I've helped a person before by just taking agro for the time. Once Dagan's capacitor was drained, he went down quickly. Ask in local for help. That's what most people do (that's how I help people when I happen to be passing by the system).
Invisusira The Rising Stars The Volition Cult 75	Posted - 2012.07.22 23:50:00 - [17] - Quote Dagan is basically your first lesson in learning to fleet up, lol. His shield is merciless. Core Skills - train em up train em up!
Lost Greybeard Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution 127	Posted - 2012.07.23 00:31:00 - [18] - Quote Invisusira wrote: Dagan is basically your first lesson in learning to fleet up, lol. His shield is merciless. This, more or less. Ask for help in Arnon, and someone will likely give you a hand. While it's certainly possible to just load enough damage onto a cruiser to break Dagan's tank, it's unlikely to be something that's feasible for you on your first run-through of the arc when your skills are relatively low and you have to rely on relatively cheap fittings. If you really want to get the ****** solo, use faction ammo, make sure you have T2 drones, and consider upgrading to a Battlecruiser. Otherwise, I'd stick with asking for help in Arnon.
Rakael Kateloda State War Academy Caldari State 22	Posted - 2012.07.23 07:34:00 - [19] - Quote I first tried it in a Cormorant, couldn't put a dent in him. Went back to doing missions while skilling up for the caracal and just a few days ago went back to Arnon and tried again. This time it was piece of cake. It did take a while with one of the heavy missile types I had loaded up at the time, until I got bored and switched to another heavy missile type, after which he went down like butter. Can't remember which type the ammo I switched to was though.
Barrak Wormhole Engineers Review and Evaluation Greater Realms 46	Posted - 2012.07.23 08:36:00 - [20] - Quote ^ You probably switched to 'SCOURGE'. Caldari missile ships 'generally' get a bonus to Scourge ammo which is KINETIC His Kinetic resist is 2nd lowest. So, you probably switched TO Kinetic picking up a damage bonus and hitting his weak spot, hence why you noticed much more damage. Regards
Rakael Kateloda State War Academy Caldari State 23	Posted - 2012.07.23 08:43:00 - [21] - Quote Barrak wrote: ^ You probably switched to 'SCOURGE'. Caldari missile ships 'generally' get a bonus to Scourge ammo which is KINETIC His Kinetic resist is 2nd lowest. So, you probably switched TO Kinetic picking up a damage bonus and hitting his weak spot, hence why you noticed much more damage. Regards Yes that was it indeed, you're absolutely right. I don't use scourge too much, that's why I sort of forgot about it.
Barrak Wormhole Engineers Review and Evaluation Greater Realms 47	Posted - 2012.07.23 09:16:00 - [22] - Quote If you stick with running missions in missile ships, you will want to establish which damage type to use and this site is God for telling you it: CLICK HERE. Though, it's worth bearing in mind that IF you have good ships skills (ie the skill that gives you the extra kinetic damage) and your target ship does NOT have strong Kinetic resists, then it 'can' be worth simply sticking with Kinetic. If, however, your ship skills are not good (think 3 or below) and/or your target has decent Kinetic resists, then use the ammo that best hits their weakness. That said........... Kinetic should always be your default 'go to' damage type...... ie it should always be the loaded ammo.
Major Trant Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 86	Posted - 2012.07.23 15:27:00 - [23] - Quote I remember being terribly frustrated the first time I attempted this mission on my first char. He was 17 days old and flying a Caracal. I eventually managed it on about the forth attempt using five Heavy Assault Missile Launchers. I've since come to understand that PvE content in Eve is crude to say the least and is there for one of three specific reasons. 1. To provide lessons to new pilots 2. To provide Isk as a means to fund other endeavours 3. To raise standing with a particular faction In this particular case this mission falls clearly into the training catagory and the lesson to learn is how to form a fleet and work together. This was intended but poorly designed to get you to look at the fleeting options. Either get a corpy/friend or shout up in local, form a fleet, see the fleet chat window, maybe get on Eve voice for the first time. Indentify and research what fleet bonus' can give you. Eve PvE was never intended to be the end game, although the inclusion of Incursions and Sleepers has made it a bit more interesting. These are still primarily designed as Isk generators. Eve is so much more than PvE.
Velarra Ghost Festival Naraka. 89	Posted - 2012.07.23 15:53:00 - [24] - Quote Thrasher / or destroyer. Webifier, fit some buffer and resists, deal 150 dps minimum.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam 1	Posted - 2012.07.23 17:22:00 - [25] - Quote Dagan and his preceding Lieutenant can both be slightly difficult for a lone newbie to handle. Not so much for 2 people. I'd been playing for maybe 9/10 days by the time i got that far through the arc. I was able to tank/aviod hits easily but just couldn't get enough dps, tried all 4 missile types, in the end I asked in local for a hand and it was all over 15 seconds later. It's almost as if CCP intended people to team up to complete it ...........
Utsen Dari Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 12	Posted - 2012.07.24 02:19:00 - [26] - Quote Emaleena Rogers wrote: I eventually got frustrated and teamed up with a pair of cruisers to just blast it him to pieces, although it still took a while. This is the best solution. The Dagan mission is meant to teach you that the way forward in EVE is through group interaction, I'm convinced
Kaara Kincaid School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.07 08:05:00 - [27] - Quote just a reiteration of everything said here. Spent 20 minutes at 50% cap, shield tanking and popping off scourge after scourge into him. Got him down to 20% shield at one point, after switching to Mjolnirs, but then he shield boosted all the way back up to 100% Asked for help in a neighboring system: killed him twice in 10 mins. This mission should guide players towards fleeting up better.
Mars Theran Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 339	Posted - 2012.10.07 17:33:00 - [28] - Quote I think it took me nearly a week to kill Dagan the first time. I'm exaggerating of course, but it did take multiple refits and changes in Tactics. I did almost consider fleeting up for him, but I'm a little stubborn and figured if I couldn't do it myself... If iirc I ended up staying out at about 10km myself to drop the dps from his guns, then had to change guns multiple times, change ammo, tried missiles, etc.. Neuts and NOS don't work on NPC btw. I think my working tactic was something like this: Warp in and close to ~ 10 km orbit on Dagan, Tank his hits and kill his lackeys, then turn dps on him. I believe I skipped Web as he doesn't really move very fast anyway, and I think I trained a skill to increase my dps while I was working on it. I'm pretty sure I used AB and a Cruiser, speed-tanking, and dropped a couple Weapon Upgrades and DCU in the Lows and I think a Tracking Computer in the Mids, shield tank probably as that's all I did back then. I really have no idea what I was flying when I beat him, but I know the Thrasher fits I tried just couldn't DPS him. Passive Regen + Resists and Speed tank worked pretty good for me back then; too bad it hasn't ever worked for PvP. It's much more fun to fly. If all that fails, just drop a Hurricane or Wolf on him. :) ..or like they said, bring friends. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Revara Ormand Quantum Anomaly Corporation 0	Posted - 2012.10.08 11:47:00 - [29] - Quote when i started eve and did the mission I was in a thorax loaded with antimatter charges and some T1 drones I was able to kill him solo very fast
Keno Skir Vectis Covert Solutions 230	Posted - 2012.10.08 13:08:00 - [30] - Quote I'll help you sort your fit, or just send a logistics along with you. Get in touch o/ If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance

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