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SnootySneerMan
Amarr
New Eden Combat Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:28:00 -
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Since this is now apparently "Off-topic" in the craptasic post I believe that it needs a life of its own.
Eve has been boosting about the sandbox for weeks now and here we have a valid defensive tactic being classified as an exploit.
Repping a natural, be it a POS or Ship or even a rat is an allowable action in any situation. If I want to rep 4/4 in Jita I can. Actions of course have consequences. If I rep a rat in highec, boom concordoken. If I rep a player or player owned object (like a POS) I pick up all the aggression timers that that player or object has and I become a valid target to those individuals, corp or alliances that have aggression.
From reading the exploit post of 2007 it seems that neutrals were not getting aggression from repping POS's at all. This was fixed in the game. Now recently the mechanic is broken again and the aggression is not consistent. Classifying this as an exploit and threatening the use of the ban hammer is contrary to eve's core game play imho. Ok, so the aggression is a bit off, work with it, adapt.
If this is an exploit due the mechanic being broken then it could be argued that since an intended game mechanic for defending a POS is "broken" that it is now an exploit to shoot the POS in the first place.
I say fix it as soon as soon as you can but since it is easy to work around let the players deal with it for now and leave the ban hammer in its case and the drop exploit jargon.
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Roastedpot
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Roastedpot on 05/08/2009 13:37:30
as has been said and resaid, this was restated as an exploit in JULY OF 2009. that is last month, so clearly still concidered as such.
the problem lies in the fact that it does not always flag.
if neut corp is repping a pos with an active war, the flagging system is very buggy, and does not always flag the repper to the wt corp/alliance.
edit: and as you can see, we did work with it because we could, the pos went into reinforced. but if i take a gun and shoot someone in real life, and i miss, guesswhat, i still get the banstick on life and locked up in jail :-p
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SnootySneerMan
Amarr
New Eden Combat Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Roastedpot
Edited by: Roastedpot on 05/08/2009 13:37:30
as has been said and resaid, this was restated as an exploit in JULY OF 2009. that is last month, so clearly still concidered as such.
the problem lies in the fact that it does not always flag.
if neut corp is repping a pos with an active war, the flagging system is very buggy, and does not always flag the repper to the wt corp/alliance.
edit: and as you can see, we did work with it because we could, the pos went into reinforced. but if i take a gun and shoot someone in real life, and i miss, guesswhat, i still get the banstick on life and locked up in jail :-p
Did you even read what I said?
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Roastedpot
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: SnootySneerMan
Did you even read what I said?
did you? sounds like you were going on about why it isnt an exploit, and how it is a valid tactic.. which, it SHOULD be, once ccp fixes it.. (a few years later  )
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Commander Yassir
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Yassir on 05/08/2009 14:40:05
Edited by: Commander Yassir on 05/08/2009 14:38:18
No, it is a confirmed exploit to rep a neutral POS. There was a thread on it, it was confirmed by a Dev, it is an exploit.
If you give me a little I will go try to dig the thread up for you.
Edit:I spellz well
2nd Edit: Confirmation that it is an exploit by Wrangler
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Morvyn
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:54:00 -
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Man you guys are really, really terrible at reading the OP.......
He already knows it's an exploit, and why it's an exploit, etc.
His point is that, for CCP to say "we suck at coding so this game mechanic is broken, but we aren't going to fix it and are just going to call it an exploit instead" is p lame.
And honestly I agree; you should be able to rep a neutral POS (granted, anyone able to attack that POS due to a war dec or whatever should also get aggression on you because of your actions).
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Carebear Claire
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:57:00 -
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what is even worse are those damn neutral haulers that can go into a war wargets POS's shields and load up the war targets unanchored POS modules and carry them back to station with out being flagged.
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Commander Yassir
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Morvyn
Man you guys are really, really terrible at reading the OP.......
He already knows it's an exploit, and why it's an exploit, etc.
His point is that, for CCP to say "we suck at coding so this game mechanic is broken, but we aren't going to fix it and are just going to call it an exploit instead" is p lame.
And honestly I agree; you should be able to rep a neutral POS (granted, anyone able to attack that POS due to a war dec or whatever should also get aggression on you because of your actions).
Yes, but what he is saying is that, if I understand correctly, because EVE is a sandbox we should be able to rep neutral POSs while they are fixing the mechanic, even though the agro mechanics are off and you might not even be able to attack them. I think that yes, he is right it should be fixed asap, but it should remain an exploit until then.
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:38:00 -
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Bottom line:
Until the mechanic is fixed CCP considers it an exploit to abuse the broken mechanic. Which is a perfectly legitimate answer.
Regardless of what the OP thinks deliberately abusing a known bug to gain an advantage is an exploit... in any game on the market. Whining about it isn't going to change things. Once the mechanic is fixed (again) CCP will de-classify it as an exploit, just like the last time they fixed it.
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Kikki Di'je
Lay Low
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:58:00 -
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Blowing up my ship is now considered an exploit.
How you like dem apples.
+1 for OP this should have been fixed prior to getting new T3 and Indy ships just like sov.
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Flios Bror
Amarr
Lone Star Joint Venture
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:58:00 -
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SnootySneerMan: if you need someone to repair a POS, but need him to move to the POS neutral (avoiding a gatecamp into a deadend system for example) you could try making a stuck-petition requesting an immediate corp-change. The ban-hammer prevents you from activating a module, so in a way you are stuck. Inform the pirates that they need to wait for the GM-reaction, or they would be exploiting this broken mechanic....
Actually chance of getting a positive from both the GM and the pirates is going to be low, but at least the pirates had a good laugh 
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