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Malakai Asamov Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition. 7	Posted - 2012.05.27 14:04:00 - [1] - Quote I didn't see this in the rules anywhere but..... Players changing alliances on a test server gets both alliances banned from participating in alliance tournament? Would be a good rule. Really well defined like a rule should be.
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 138	Posted - 2012.05.27 14:05:00 - [2] - Quote Seems sort of exploitable
xo3e The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED 30	Posted - 2012.05.27 14:29:00 - [3] - Quote no u will be unable to get rid of someone if rules will be simple and clear, so that "someone" will know what not to do Signature removed. Navigator
Cody Zamorah Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.05.27 15:27:00 - [4] - Quote Sorry to barge in but I have another question in regards to the rules. Penalties A player found breaking any rules can be penalized to various degrees, depending on the severity of the offence. All penalties are incurred at the tournament organizer's discretion. Decisions are final. Penalties may be levied against a player or team and may include but are not limited to: GÇóPoints deduction GÇóReducing the offending ship(s) shield / armor / hull / capacitor to 50% GÇóRemoval from the fightBan from competing for one or more matches. GÇóBan from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments. GÇóFor Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining. Bolded and underlined the section which made me curious. Does this imply that the referee can read minds and listen in on voicecomms to hear / read what the teams are thinking / planning and as such can judge on all relevant information? Because it seems a bit off, that it boils down to how the referee feels at that moment. The whole "at the referee's discretion, at the GM's discretion" etc seems to pop up a lot, but that makes it pretty vague in my humble opinion. Personal guttfeelings shouldn't be the point to judge on because we all know that guttfeeling aren't 100% accurate. I would like to see a bit more elaboration on that to ensure the referees "believes" aren't the only thing which can result in declaring a match null or void.
Cody Zamorah Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 39	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:30:00 - [5] - Quote I am still waiting on a clarification to this rule.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 289	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:49:00 - [6] - Quote xo3e wrote: no u will be unable to get rid of someone if rules will be simple and clear, so that "someone" will know what not to do whine more. CCP doesnt need any rule to control the tournament, the rules are for you.

CCP Loxy C C P C C P Alliance 103	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:43:00 - [7] - Quote Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Cody Zamorah wrote: Sorry to barge in but I have another question in regards to the rules. Penalties A player found breaking any rules can be penalized to various degrees, depending on the severity of the offence. All penalties are incurred at the tournament organizer's discretion. Decisions are final. Penalties may be levied against a player or team and may include but are not limited to: GÇóPoints deduction GÇóReducing the offending ship(s) shield / armor / hull / capacitor to 50% GÇóRemoval from the fightBan from competing for one or more matches. GÇóBan from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments. GÇóFor Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining. Bolded and underlined the section which made me curious. Does this imply that the referee can read minds and listen in on voicecomms to hear / read what the teams are thinking / planning and as such can judge on all relevant information? Because it seems a bit off, that it boils down to how the referee feels at that moment. The whole "at the referee's discretion, at the GM's discretion" etc seems to pop up a lot, but that makes it pretty vague in my humble opinion. Personal guttfeelings shouldn't be the point to judge on because we all know that guttfeeling aren't 100% accurate. I would like to see a bit more elaboration on that to ensure the referees "believes" aren't the only thing which can result in declaring a match null or void. This rule is vague because it has to be. We have had 9 tournaments without this rule and for good reason, but the events of last year have forced us to react by including new rules such as the one above. Tournament staff and referees will act based on the information available and with the tournament both as an event for the players on the field and those watching on the stream on their minds. Teams and players should hold the tournament in high regard and take the event seriously, if you have to ask yourself "would they stop the fight if we did this" then you should not do it. Video Producer & Director of EVE Tv

Cody Zamorah Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 71	Posted - 2012.05.30 16:53:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: Teams and players should hold the tournament in high regard and take the event seriously. I shall hold it in the same high regard and will take it just as serious as you have proven to be towards me and my peers.
Karbox Delacroix Emo Rage Quit 35	Posted - 2012.05.30 21:39:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: Teams and players should hold the tournament in high regard and take the event seriously Cool story bro. [/SoundwaveTroll]
Ohh Yeah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 74	Posted - 2012.05.30 23:41:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. His question was related to the test server, not Tranquility. Unless, of course, you are implying that characters must also stay in the same alliance on SiSi with no break in membership from the alliance they intend to compete with, and that you will check all competing player's corp history on both TQ and SiSi prior to their matches. If that's the case, it seems a tad unreasonable, as the test server is just that - a test server - and swapping corps readily is useful for logistics and so on. One of the bonuses of SiSi is that you can drop from your corp and rejoin freely without screwing with your corp history, which some people take seriously on TQ.

Tyrrax Thorrk Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance 86	Posted - 2012.05.31 01:13:00 - [11] - Quote He's not implying that, sisi corp history doesn't matter. (except in 0bhydra's case ofc xD) The question Loxy was answering gets asked every year, was in a different thread this year but vhatevs
Malakai Asamov Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition. 10	Posted - 2012.05.31 04:02:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance.
NeoShocker Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD. 127	Posted - 2012.05.31 07:20:00 - [13] - Quote Quote: All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. Say a corp been in alliance for a year, but then a new member joins, say a day after or so after that deadline. This guy can't join right? I have a situation that I have a guy been part of my corp for years, but left to another corp (but actually was out for 3 months due of baby and real life) and he rejoined back in after his life settled down. It was well about two weeks after the deadline. Would want him, but he isn't eligible. :( If I recall, wasn't last year the deadline a month before the tournament? I don't really remember, but this time around, its about 2 months must being in corp/alliance to be eligible :( Really want to be sure that I'm on the right track on the rules

CCP Loxy C C P C C P Alliance 108	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:49:00 - [14] - Quote Malakai Asamov wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance. Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it. Video Producer & Director of EVE TV

Randomize All State War Academy Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.05.31 13:00:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: Malakai Asamov wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance. Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it. Well didn't you pick a fine time to be clear and concise.... go and stand in the corner with the other guilty parties. If you all hang your heads in shame you can compare ***** sizes.
Chekxxx Megaton Inc. 5	Posted - 2012.05.31 14:03:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: Malakai Asamov wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance. Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it. This reply does indeed crack me up
Suleiman Shouaa The Tuskers 127	Posted - 2012.05.31 18:43:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: Malakai Asamov wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance. Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it. What happens if you're not sure about it and send an email before you do it? Is that a problem?
Karbox Delacroix Emo Rage Quit 48	Posted - 2012.05.31 21:08:00 - [18] - Quote Suleiman Shouaa wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Malakai Asamov wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance. Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it. What happens if you're not sure about it and send an email before you do it? Is that a problem? No, it is not a problem. Like an ex-grilfriend her words have a very specific context and meaning, that is, until she decides they don't. In which case you know darn well why you are in trouble and her decision is final so there is no use talking about it any further.
Cody Zamorah Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 89	Posted - 2012.05.31 21:48:00 - [19] - Quote Don't ever tell your girlfriend or wife her hair looks great when she returns from the hairdresser. We might respond, " Wasn't my hair good before that then?" Best say " I like this hairstyle on you very much aswel" We will hit at every opening you present to us. Be warned.
Edward Olmops Sirius Fleet Bruderschaft der Pilger 11	Posted - 2012.05.31 22:48:00 - [20] - Quote It occurs to me that for some reason most of the hitting comes from people in NPC Corps... I hereby propose to color all postings by members of NPC corps in light green - for that is is the color of crappy magic items in World of Warcraft! Forums will be a lot easier to read this way...

Cody Zamorah Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 89	Posted - 2012.05.31 23:20:00 - [21] - Quote Edward Olmops wrote: It occurs to me that for some reason most of the hitting comes from people in NPC Corps... I hereby propose to color all postings by members of NPC corps in light green - for that is is the color of crappy magic items in World of Warcraft! Forums will be a lot easier to read this way... Does your crapposting come in poopbrown then? Maybe even with chunky parts.
Tyrrax Thorrk Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance 87	Posted - 2012.05.31 23:25:00 - [22] - Quote This forum section really has no need of alt posting, alliance tournament is for alliances not cowardly NPC alts.
NinjaTurtle Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 15	Posted - 2012.05.31 23:28:00 - [23] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: This forum section really has no need of alt posting, alliance tournament is for alliances not cowardly NPC alts. yeah i wish we were seeing more mains
Cody Zamorah Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 89	Posted - 2012.05.31 23:38:00 - [24] - Quote I reckon my alts and my main still pay the same amount of money per month, so their opinions are equally valid.
Tyrrax Thorrk Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance 87	Posted - 2012.06.01 00:30:00 - [25] - Quote Unfortunately for your relevance that's not how it works. Sorry! :(
Malakai Asamov Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance 10	Posted - 2012.06.01 03:55:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: Malakai Asamov wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance. Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it. Im sure about it, are you?
Ruareve Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective 7	Posted - 2012.06.01 04:09:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: Malakai Asamov wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance. Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it. Holy smoke and mirrors batman! This has sealed the deal for me on the AT this year. The new rules were intentionally left vague to allow freedom of implementation and then permission is given to do what people got banned for but with the caveat that you probably shouldn't do it even though it's not against the rules. This whole situation has just turned from CCP enforcing what they see as a violation of their rules into a vindictive strike against a group that ruined the final match last year. At this point I believe no matter how much they tried to stay within the rules Hydra and Outbreak were never going to get to compete this year. Last year's AT was the first I watched and I enjoyed almost every bit of it, except for the last match. I was looking forward to this years tournament until all of this drama. The only thing of interest now is what prizes will be handed out simply because I'm curious about the ship rewards. I no longer care who wins or loses because the entire tournament is tainted from CCP's actions against Hydra and Outbreak. Please note I dislike H and O after the way they acted last year but I can respect their dedication and skill. However right now I dislike CCP even more for not just manning up and saying they are mad instead of creating an elaborate hoop system to jump through to try and justify revenge. Yet another blog about Eve- http://ruar-eve.blogspot.com/
Chekxxx Megaton Inc. 5	Posted - 2012.06.01 05:51:00 - [28] - Quote Ruareve wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Malakai Asamov wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th. Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance. Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it. Holy smoke and mirrors batman! This has sealed the deal for me on the AT this year. The new rules were intentionally left vague to allow freedom of implementation and then permission is given to do what people got banned for but with the caveat that you probably shouldn't do it even though it's not against the rules. This whole situation has just turned from CCP enforcing what they see as a violation of their rules into a vindictive strike against a group that ruined the final match last year. At this point I believe no matter how much they tried to stay within the rules Hydra and Outbreak were never going to get to compete this year. Last year's AT was the first I watched and I enjoyed almost every bit of it, except for the last match. I was looking forward to this years tournament until all of this drama. The only thing of interest now is what prizes will be handed out simply because I'm curious about the ship rewards. I no longer care who wins or loses because the entire tournament is tainted from CCP's actions against Hydra and Outbreak. Please note I dislike H and O after the way they acted last year but I can respect their dedication and skill. However right now I dislike CCP even more for not just manning up and saying they are mad instead of creating an elaborate hoop system to jump through to try and justify revenge. Bolded the "No ****, Sherlock?" part. The AT team can dance around the issue all they want, the elephant is still intact in the middle of the room.
Suleiman Shouaa The Tuskers 127	Posted - 2012.06.03 10:59:00 - [29] - Quote Screegs's responses here got deleted, as well any posts quoting them. Why?
Intigo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 98	Posted - 2012.06.03 11:45:00 - [30] - Quote Suleiman Shouaa wrote: Screegs's responses here got deleted, as well any posts quoting them. Why? Because CCP likes to cover up Sreegs' little outbursts? Also, the moderation on this forum is about as random as it gets. "We discussed forming 1 (ONE) corporation to make these training in wormholes possible; if we wouldnt merge, 4th would have been forced to spend days and days to setup their own pos, to do this." 2 separate teams considered doing the same thing HYDRA & Outbreak did - how can you justify banning 2 teams who thought it was within the rules?



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