Originally by: xnewbie

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MERCY! pretty please.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Salvaging level 1, huh ?

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Originally by: xnewbie

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So, do you really suggest to salvage rig a marauder?
or you just trolling?

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Originally by: xnewbie

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So, do you really suggest to salvage rig a marauder?
or you just trolling?

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Originally by: testirania

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Originally by: xnewbie

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So, do you really suggest to salvage rig a marauder?
or you just trolling?

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Yes I do, my dedicated salvager in a Golem with rigs, salvage V and T2 salvages seldom gets that message, so suck it up and do it.

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Originally by: xnewbie

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You can use your marauder with any fitting you like dude, but its role is very different from what you suggesting to suck up.

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Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large hybrid weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams

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Originally by: Breaker77

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Originally by: xnewbie

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You can use your marauder with any fitting you like dude, but its role is very different from what you suggesting to suck up.

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Marauder bonus

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Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large hybrid weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams

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Hmm tractor beam bonus. Tractor beams go perfect with salvaging since they bring the wrecks to you.

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Originally by: xnewbie

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You can use your marauder with any fitting you like dude, but its role is very different from what you suggesting to suck up.

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Originally by: xnewbie

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I just pointing that the failed salvaging attempts are way too many, for a T1 salvager with salvaging skill at lvl4.

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Originally by: Frug

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Originally by: xnewbie

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I just pointing that the failed salvaging attempts are way too many, for a T1 salvager with salvaging skill at lvl4.

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So suck it up and train salvaging to 5 and get a t2 salvager

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Frug

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Originally by: xnewbie

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I just pointing that the failed salvaging attempts are way too many, for a T1 salvager with salvaging skill at lvl4.

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So suck it up and train salvaging to 5 and get a t2 salvager

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Angel Large wreck needs at least Salvaging level 2 to salvage, so it has somewhere between -5.000...001% to -9.99...999% access difficulty modifier.
You actual salvage chance with L4 salvage is not 20%, but anywhere between 10% to 15%.
Or, in other words, on average, between 7 to 10 cycles would be quite normal.
And since it's chance-based, OCCASIONALLY getting 15 to 20 failures in a row would not be that unusual.

Train Salvage L5 and get a T2 salvager, bam, you're at 35% base salvage chance, and you get between 25% to 30% actual salvage chance... so 3 to 4 tries instead of 7 to 10.

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Originally by: xnewbie

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Yeah i can "suck up" the above but please somebody explain how the "chance-based" gets to a 100% of failures
For if 7 to 10 cycles is normal, the 20 cycles is another 100%
And the log shows 22

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Originally by: xnewbie

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Edited by: xnewbie on 08/08/2009 17:52:34

Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Frug

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Originally by: xnewbie

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I just pointing that the failed salvaging attempts are way too many, for a T1 salvager with salvaging skill at lvl4.

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So suck it up and train salvaging to 5 and get a t2 salvager

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Angel Large wreck needs at least Salvaging level 2 to salvage, so it has somewhere between -5.000...001% to -9.99...999% access difficulty modifier.
You actual salvage chance with L4 salvage is not 20%, but anywhere between 10% to 15%.
Or, in other words, on average, between 7 to 10 cycles would be quite normal.
And since it's chance-based, OCCASIONALLY getting 15 to 20 failures in a row would not be that unusual.

Train Salvage L5 and get a T2 salvager, bam, you're at 35% base salvage chance, and you get between 25% to 30% actual salvage chance... so 3 to 4 tries instead of 7 to 10.

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Yeah i can "suck up" the above but please somebody explain how the "chance-based" gets to a 100% of failures
For if 7 to 10 cycles is normal, the 20 cycles is another 100%
And the log shows 22

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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OP : I think myself and some of the other eve forum dwellers have had ones at least twice as bad as that before.

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Originally by: Jacharian

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This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.

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Originally by: xnewbie

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Yeah i can "suck up" the above but please somebody explain how the "chance-based" gets to a 100% of failures
For if 7 to 10 cycles is normal, the 20 cycles is another 100% And the log shows 22

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Originally by: Akita T

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Let's say you had a 11% chance to salvage per try in your 22 failed attempts.
If you have Excel, just do
=BINOMDIST(0,22,0.11,TRUE)
...which calculates as 0.077015856, or 7.7% chance of happening.
Or, if you had an actual 15% chance of salvage,
=BINOMDIST(0,22,0.15,TRUE)
which equals 0.028003761... or a 2.8% chance of happening

Both are quite small probabilities, but as you can see, nothing too unusual. In other words, on average, expect to see something like that on average for every 13 to 35 "Large Angel Wreck" salvaged (depending on your actual salvage chance).

Of course, you don't really need binomdist for something as simple as that, you could have just as well used (1-0.11)^22 or (1-0.15)^22 in this particular case, you would have gotten the exact same result.
You only really want to use binomdist when you have several successes scattered amongst failures, but NOT NECESSARILY all failure in sequence.
Like, for instance, the chance to only salvage at most 5 wrecks out of 100 total attempts with a 10% chance to salvage ?
BINOMDIST(5,100,0.15,TRUE) which is equal to 0.057576886, or just a bit under 6%.

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