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Katarina Romanov
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Posted - 2009.08.08 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Katarina Romanov on 08/08/2009 23:27:03
Edited by: Katarina Romanov on 08/08/2009 23:25:47
I don't want to start the 4 Million and First "NH sucks" thread, but I would like to know if I should stay Caldari if Command Ships appeal to me...?
EDIT: I didn't mean to post this in its own thread, oops. 
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Bashiri
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.08.08 23:35:00 -
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They are and they are not depends on how you fit and fly them. Right now missiles are bad to use so people will say they suck.
P.S real pvper know how to use it right just don't fit it for missions.
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Psyflame
Overview Glitch
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Posted - 2009.08.08 23:41:00 -
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Vulture is a great ship...
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.08 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 08/08/2009 23:45:13
For pvp, Vulture if you like gang mods and rails.
If you like missiles then use a Drake.
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Katarina Romanov
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Posted - 2009.08.08 23:57:00 -
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Thanks!
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Intigo
Amarr
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.09 17:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Bashiri
Right now missiles are bad
Ding, ding, ding.
We have a winner.
You are the incompetent poster of the day - congratulations!
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Alsyth
Astromechanica Maxima
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Posted - 2009.08.09 23:47:00 -
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Nighthawk is still a great improvement to the Drake. Not worth the prixe for pvp imo, but for pve it's great.
And probably the best tank for kinetic/thermal lvl5 missions.
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SquadBroken
Helljumpers
Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.10 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: SquadBroken on 10/08/2009 08:30:39
Originally by: Bashiri
Right now heavy/cruise missiles and rockets are bad
Fixed your post bro.
Edit -you're welcome.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.10 08:57:00 -
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Vulture used to be epic before Ferox got the 6th turret. :)
Now it's just a good fleet command.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.08.10 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken
Originally by: Bashiri
Right now cruise missiles and rockets are bad
Fixed your post bro.
Edit -you're welcome.
Fixed yours tbh.
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HANZ BLIX
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Posted - 2009.08.10 10:00:00 -
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You didn't specifie PvE / PvP so lets go over both.
PvE
Of all the 8x command ships the Nighthawk is the only viable mission runner, caldari agents only.
PvP
Nighthawk is considerd the worst field command for PvP because of it's emmence price tag, typicly 350+m kill mail, realisticly i'd rate NH > Astarte due to at least having some form of tank, both ships bringing nuthing to fleet PvP that the Drake/Brutix doesn't do infinatly cheeper.
Vulture is a top notch ship for fleet pvp, though shield fleets be rare they do exist.
As a pure combat ship it doesn't work so well, if you can fly a Vulture you can fly an Eagle to snipe with better.
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Kilette Dark
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Posted - 2009.08.10 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kilette Dark on 10/08/2009 11:45:22
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Right now cruise missiles and rockets are bad
I fly missile boats, and I really dont see why ppl think rockets are all that bad.
OK, maybe YEARS ago they were better. But in most comparible ship builds, T2 rockets whilst doing "a little less damage", on paper than t2 near in guns (Ac etc), in real moving about combat situations score on both range and actual damage delivered.
(I have to moderate this right now and say that for a real test I would need as many sp in gunnery as I have in missiles, which I dont).
I accept that the nerf to range was a pain, but it still left Javilins with the longest range of its weapon type (ie Blaster, pulse, ac)
Then if we compare standard missiles to rockets we get "about" the same damage and range ratios as we do with AC/Arts, Pulse/Beam etc, that is about 25% more damage for about 25% of the range.
So if standard missiles aint broke, niether are rockets.
Cruise Missiles.
I hate Crusie missiles. Not Becase they are broken, cos they aint. BUT because they do one thing really well, SNIPE. They do bearly any damage more than a Heavy missile, and after explosive radius loss, LESS than a heavie on most things. This might be really good in 0.0 I dont know, but I would rather do more damage tahn have the ability to hit to twice my locking range.
As Ive said, this dont mean they are broke. Just a bit dedicated in their role
p.s (oh and dont forget missile boats have the intermediate size assault launchers, which on a vulture say make good anti drone, even if you just fit fofs) --- (But remember they will shoot drones repping you)
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.10 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: HANZ BLIX
You didn't specifie PvE / PvP so lets go over both.
PvE
Of all the 8x command ships the Nighthawk is the only viable mission runner, caldari agents only.
PvP
Nighthawk is considerd the worst field command for PvP because of it's emmence price tag, typicly 350+m kill mail, realisticly i'd rate NH > Astarte due to at least having some form of tank, both ships bringing nuthing to fleet PvP that the Drake/Brutix doesn't do infinatly cheeper.
Vulture is a top notch ship for fleet pvp, though shield fleets be rare they do exist.
As a pure combat ship it doesn't work so well, if you can fly a Vulture you can fly an Eagle to snipe with better.
All of the field commands are good mission runners. Astarte with 250's rocks, and so does Sleipnir with 720's.
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HANZ BLIX
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Posted - 2009.08.10 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Muad' Dib
All of the field commands are good mission runners. Astarte with 250's rocks, and so does Sleipnir with 720's.
If you can use a Field Command, you can use a BS, only the Nighthawk has comparable mission running performance to it's BS equivalents.
Asstarte / Absolution lack range to compete.
Sleipnir isn't so bad, but i'd still barrage AC it over
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.10 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: HANZ BLIX
Originally by: Muad' Dib
All of the field commands are good mission runners. Astarte with 250's rocks, and so does Sleipnir with 720's.
If you can use a Field Command, you can use a BS, only the Nighthawk has comparable mission running performance to it's BS equivalents.
Asstarte / Absolution lack range to compete.
Sleipnir isn't so bad, but i'd still barrage AC it over
I'd take your statement as less of a joke if it didn't come from a faceless alt.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.10 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kilette Dark
Cruise Missiles.
I hate Crusie missiles. Not Becase they are broken, cos they aint. BUT because they do one thing really well, SNIPE. They do bearly any damage more than a Heavy missile, and after explosive radius loss, LESS than a heavie on most things. This might be really good in 0.0 I dont know, but I would rather do more damage tahn have the ability to hit to twice my locking range.
As Ive said, this dont mean they are broke. Just a bit dedicated in their role
p.s (oh and dont forget missile boats have the intermediate size assault launchers, which on a vulture say make good anti drone, even if you just fit fofs) --- (But remember they will shoot drones repping you)
And what role shall that be ? Before the nerf they at least were good against small stuff. So you had a low damage BS but it was flexible and useful against all kind of targets (except the ones with "ludicrous speed"). A genius balancing master at CCP decided that BS weapons shouldn't hit small stuff well, but didn't bother to compensate that precision loss with something else, so today they are useless for anything. That's even true for PVE, a Drake will finish the average level 4 missions faster than a cruise missile Raven (officer launcher setups not counted), a Nighthawk/Tengu faster than the CNR. Everyone who trained cruise missiles, wasted his skilltime. If something in game can be called "broken", then it's cruise missiles.
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Kilette Dark
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Posted - 2009.08.10 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Kilette Dark
Cruise Missiles.
I hate Crusie missiles. Not Becase they are broken, cos they aint. BUT because they do one thing really well, SNIPE. They do bearly any damage more than a Heavy missile, and after explosive radius loss, LESS than a heavie on most things. This might be really good in 0.0 I dont know, but I would rather do more damage tahn have the ability to hit to twice my locking range.
As Ive said, this dont mean they are broke. Just a bit dedicated in their role
p.s (oh and dont forget missile boats have the intermediate size assault launchers, which on a vulture say make good anti drone, even if you just fit fofs) --- (But remember they will shoot drones repping you)
And what role shall that be ? Before the nerf they at least were good against small stuff. So you had a low damage BS but it was flexible and useful against all kind of targets (except the ones with "ludicrous speed"). A genius balancing master at CCP decided that BS weapons shouldn't hit small stuff well, but didn't bother to compensate that precision loss with something else, so today they are useless for anything. That's even true for PVE, a Drake will finish the average level 4 missions faster than a cruise missile Raven (officer launcher setups not counted), a Nighthawk/Tengu faster than the CNR. Everyone who trained cruise missiles, wasted his skilltime. If something in game can be called "broken", then it's cruise missiles.
SNIPE BS I agree with everything you said, which is why I dont like them, BUT they are really good at hitting things a long way away. Yep I agree they are worse at hitting small things than they were.
Not be under the impression Im defending them, BUT if you want to shoot a tower with warpscrams on, then cruise missiles are your guy. (This is the bit non 0.0 dedicated role I ment, and yep I was trying for sarcasim)
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:52:00 -
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Before the nerf they at least were good against small stuff. So you had a low damage BS but it was flexible and useful against all kind of targets (except the ones with "ludicrous speed"). A genius balancing master at CCP decided that BS weapons shouldn't hit small stuff well, but didn't bother to compensate that precision loss with something else, so today they are useless for anything. That's even true for PVE, a Drake will finish the average level 4 missions faster than a cruise missile Raven (officer launcher setups not counted), a Nighthawk/Tengu faster than the CNR. Everyone who trained cruise missiles, wasted his skilltime. If something in game can be called "broken", then it's cruise missiles.
Carefull, all the dev alts and fan boys around here claim "missiles are fine" in some sort of misguided attempt to vallidate the horrible ballance decisions. I wish they all had to fly nothing but Rocket and Cruise boats. Our shortest and longest range weapons are a complete joke.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:30:00 -
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Cruise really wasn't that good at hitting small stuff, thanks to the 4 km/s missile immunity cliff under the old missile mechanics. It's fine against BS on paper, but a long-range anti-BS missile is simply not a particularly desirable weapon system. How do you fix that?
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ElectricDolphin
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Posted - 2009.08.11 03:50:00 -
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One of our guys uses a faction fitted nighthawk. You would not believe the things he can tank and kill. That thing is nuts.
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