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Viule Sawyr
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:32:00 -
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I've been running LVL4's and TBH the missions have been pretty crappy as far as payout/bounties go.
Out of the last 16 missions I've been offered 2 that have had bounties, the rest have all been against Amarr or drones. WTF is up with that?
First off on this crap chain of missions, I get a 5 part Amarr mission (in the mist of dead space) It pays no bounties just LP's and mission pay.
Next I get an Angel Mission that is "duo of death" or something like that. (soso bounties but not great.)
After this I get some random drone mission, once again no bounties just mission pay/lp's and mineral drops that never add up to much.
Next I get yet another 3 part Amarr mission, yet again no bounties just mission pay/LP's.
After this I get another soso pirate mission. Think in bounties it paid about 8 mil.
Next mission once again is the same freaking 5 part Amarr mission yet again that I had just done. Which of course I turn down.
With my skills my agent has an effective quality of 17 and is a security agent. Is this just crap luck or do missions for Brutor tribe really suck this bad? Should I just give up now and grind standings for someone else?
BTW of course I want to do missions for Amarr/Caldri at some point and really hate trashing my standings to run a bunch of no pay missions aginst Amarr.
Is the ship you are in taken into consideration when the agent offers you a mission? My mission guy with standings is flying a Drake, but I have a Raven alt that is tagging along but doesn't have LVL4 standings yet.
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Liltha
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Liltha on 10/08/2009 15:51:30
The amarr mission should have dropped a bunch of tags. You sell them to make up for the lack of bounties, in some cases you actually make more than you would with bounties.
Edit: Forgot to mention sell the tags at someplace like Republic Fleet, just check the market for the best buy orders and go there.
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Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari
Free Spirits
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:52:00 -
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I think you should check the Qouality of your agent as well as the type of agent.
Level 4's with Q-16 are far worse then a Q12 with payout, and administration gives less pew pew misions then security for example.
Just check out Eve Agents and select your faction/corp that you have the highest standing for to do L4's, and then check if you can find any decent one with a high quality.
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Viule Sawyr
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Liltha
Edited by: Liltha on 10/08/2009 15:51:30
The amarr mission should have dropped a bunch of tags. You sell them to make up for the lack of bounties, in some cases you actually make more than you would with bounties.
Edit: Forgot to mention sell the tags at someplace like Republic Fleet, just check the market for the best buy orders and go there.
Well I collect the tags, but I haven't seen many that add up to what bounties typically pay. To top this all off, I just pulled another mission and it's a "drone" mission.. Once again no bounties.
What I don't understand, is my friend was pulling missions from the same agent and I'd run some with him and he was getting a lot of bounty missions.
He has a bit higher standings, but I'd think that would just affect payout and lp's.
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Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:02:00 -
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It all comes down to luck and the pseudo random number generator CCP use to hand out missions. Sometimes you will get a run of great missions, other time you will get poor options. At the end of the day the missions you are offered will balance out -- you've just been unlucky in what you've been offered so far.
Cheers,
Arrs
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Cece Logh
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:11:00 -
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If money is wha you want, fit a destroyer with 4 salvagers, 4 tractor beams, an ab and rest for cap
it eats through the mission wrecks in no time, plus the tractor beams make it possible to loot the wrecks really fast
Salvaging brings me in almost every lvl 4 mission about 10 to 40 millions, and the loot (especially named (meta 3 & 4 ) large stuff) is worth much isk
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Viule Sawyr
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Arrs Grazznic
It all comes down to luck and the pseudo random number generator CCP use to hand out missions. Sometimes you will get a run of great missions, other time you will get poor options. At the end of the day the missions you are offered will balance out -- you've just been unlucky in what you've been offered so far.
Cheers,
Arrs
Well then I must have some horrible luck right now.. I completed the Drone mission only to be offered another Amarr mission.. Smash the supplier.
I mean seriously this is a bit discouraging. I don't like doing missions as it is, I'm only doing it so I can PVP on my main. This game is fast becoming more of a grind for ISK than fun..
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:56:00 -
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The agent location, division and corporation ahs some relation with the mission he give out.
If the agent you use tend to give the "wrong" missions try a different agent in another constellation or region.
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Soliscout
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:59:00 -
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you sir should get to the next level of missioning...which is called salvaging and looting
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Viule Sawyr
Well then I must have some horrible luck right now.. I completed the Drone mission only to be offered another Amarr mission.. Smash the supplier.
Yes, one can have rather long streaks. But that can swing to both sides. One thing you can do is farming good missions (not completeing them and have them spawn after DT again. Use eve-survival to check what not to do to complete the mission.
Originally by: Viule Sawyr
I mean seriously this is a bit discouraging. I don't like doing missions as it is, I'm only doing it so I can PVP on my main. This game is fast becoming more of a grind for ISK than fun..
Unfortunatelly, any MMO needs a grind of some kind. It's ISK in EVE. If you got some bucks spare in RL, you could always buy a GTC and sell it for ISK.
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Viule Sawyr
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Soliscout
you sir should get to the next level of missioning...which is called salvaging and looting
I do salvage and loot, but I see nothing close to the 30 to 40 mil hr that people claim come from LVL4's. Not when most of the missions I'm getting have no bounties.
So far most of the ISK I've made has come from loot and selling LP items however that's never instant ISk it takes time to build up.
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Soliscout
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Viule Sawyr
Originally by: Soliscout
you sir should get to the next level of missioning...which is called salvaging and looting
I do salvage and loot, but I see nothing close to the 30 to 40 mil hr that people claim come from LVL4's. Not when most of the missions I'm getting have no bounties.
So far most of the ISK I've made has come from loot and selling LP items however that's never instant ISk it takes time to build up.
dude those are the hardcore carebears....faction/officer fitted carebearmobile of choice and all the relevant skills to the max, the right missions and the right LP store and then MAYBE (very much maybe ) you can get 40 million/hour
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Viule Sawyr
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Soliscout
Originally by: Viule Sawyr
Originally by: Soliscout
you sir should get to the next level of missioning...which is called salvaging and looting
I do salvage and loot, but I see nothing close to the 30 to 40 mil hr that people claim come from LVL4's. Not when most of the missions I'm getting have no bounties.
So far most of the ISK I've made has come from loot and selling LP items however that's never instant ISk it takes time to build up.
dude those are the hardcore carebears....faction/officer fitted carebearmobile of choice and all the relevant skills to the max, the right missions and the right LP store and then MAYBE (very much maybe) you can get 40 million/hour
Well I know 40 is the high end.. I'd be happy with an average of 25 mil/hr with highs around 30 but I'm not even getting that with the ones I've been getting. It just seems odd to get so many crap ones in a row.
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Vhiskey
Caldari
Imperial Forces
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:37:00 -
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take a shuttle and fly to every Lv4 agent you have access to regardless of the division (well, obv not R+D) within a range of your purpose. use ombey¦s 2D maps and this to find them fast.
ask for mission, decline (if offer is crap) and immidiately ask for new one.
after you have done your journey, do the good missions and remote decline all the rest before you close the client, so that you will be able to ask twice again next time.
to optimize that: only do the good ones against sansha, blood + gone berserk and AE. loot and most importantly: salvage them!!
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Viule Sawyr
BTW of course I want to do missions for Amarr/Caldri at some point and really hate trashing my standings to run a bunch of no pay missions aginst Amarr.
If this is true, then stop what you are doing right now. If you care about your faction rep then never accept missions that cause you to kill that faction. One missions can have you kill multiple ships that each cost you 2.4% of your faction rep. A couple of those and it can take multiple storyline missions to reverse the damage.
Also, rejecting the faction missions means that you are more likely to get a bounty paying mission instead. Depending on your luck and how fast you run missions you may need to switch up agents to avoid the multiple mission rejection in 4 hours standings hit.
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Kaomi Zorbaz
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:48:00 -
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I have only been doing missions for a few nights. Only lvl 1 stuff. But I salvage the wrecks and typically bring in about ~1 million isk in items\mission. The bouty is really insignificant at that point. They usually pay about 50,000 isk with a bonus of ~30,000 if I finish it in 3 hours.
I like the idea of the destroyer with tractor beams and salvagers. Ill try that tonight.
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Vhiskey
Caldari
Imperial Forces
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kaomi Zorbaz
I have only been doing missions for a few nights. Only lvl 1 stuff. But I salvage the wrecks and typically bring in about ~1 million isk in items\mission. The bouty is really insignificant at that point. They usually pay about 50,000 isk with a bonus of ~30,000 if I finish it in 3 hours.
I like the idea of the destroyer with tractor beams and salvagers. Ill try that tonight.
first look if you already got the skills before you buy the stuff. and: take the cormorant!
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Viule Sawyr
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Posted - 2009.08.10 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Viule Sawyr on 10/08/2009 18:14:42
Originally by: Vhiskey
Originally by: Kaomi Zorbaz
I have only been doing missions for a few nights. Only lvl 1 stuff. But I salvage the wrecks and typically bring in about ~1 million isk in items\mission. The bouty is really insignificant at that point. They usually pay about 50,000 isk with a bonus of ~30,000 if I finish it in 3 hours.
I like the idea of the destroyer with tractor beams and salvagers. Ill try that tonight.
first look if you already got the skills before you buy the stuff. and: take the cormorant!
Yea I use the cormorant.. I have 8 salvagers, 1min AB, 3 cap recharger II, 1 cap flux coil II. The tractor beams are installed on the Orca that come along for the ride.. 8P
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Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.08.10 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 10/08/2009 18:30:50
Originally by: Viule Sawyr
Originally by: Soliscout
you sir should get to the next level of missioning...which is called salvaging and looting
I do salvage and loot, but I see nothing close to the 30 to 40 mil hr that people claim come from LVL4's. Not when most of the missions I'm getting have no bounties.
So far most of the ISK I've made has come from loot and selling LP items however that's never instant ISk it takes time to build up.
You really need to realize what those tags are actually worth. Can't speak for the Anti-Amarr missions, but the 5-parter Enemies Abound which is against Gallente and Minmatar is one of the most profitable missions around thanks to tags resulting in way more bounty per enemy ship HP than any other missions I know of, not to mention the superior loot. And since EA is the equivalent mission of ItMoDS I suspect it must be similar there.
Hint: Every -I Battleship tag is worth 500K to the correct NPCs, and every -II one is 750K. And one type of high end BS drops three of the -II ones, that is almost double the bounty of the highest standard mission pirate BS.
If you are selling your tags for way less in your region, you are making some trader a very wealthy man...
As for making those 40mil+ per hour figures, people who do that (myself included) kill the low end NPC BSes in 20 secs. Look at how long that takes you, and you will know whether you are doing something fundamentally wrong or whether your fitting/skills are just not up to it yet.
And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Viule Sawyr
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 10/08/2009 18:30:50
Originally by: Viule Sawyr
Originally by: Soliscout
you sir should get to the next level of missioning...which is called salvaging and looting
I do salvage and loot, but I see nothing close to the 30 to 40 mil hr that people claim come from LVL4's. Not when most of the missions I'm getting have no bounties.
So far most of the ISK I've made has come from loot and selling LP items however that's never instant ISk it takes time to build up.
You really need to realize what those tags are actually worth. Can't speak for the Anti-Amarr missions, but the 5-parter Enemies Abound which is against Gallente and Minmatar is one of the most profitable missions around thanks to tags resulting in way more bounty per enemy ship HP than any other missions I know of, not to mention the superior loot. And since EA is the equivalent mission of ItMoDS I suspect it must be similar there.
Hint: Every -I Battleship tag is worth 500K to the correct NPCs, and every -II one is 750K. And one type of high end BS drops three of the -II ones, that is almost double the bounty of the highest standard mission pirate BS.
If you are selling your tags for way less in your region, you are making some trader a very wealthy man...
As for making those 40mil+ per hour figures, people who do that (myself included) kill the low end NPC BSes in 20 secs. Look at how long that takes you, and you will know whether you are doing something fundamentally wrong or whether your fitting/skills are just not up to it yet.
Yea I guess you are right. I had checked the tag prices on a few of the first missions I started with and they were always 10k to 50k each. After that I stopped checking the prices but kept collecting them and tossing them in a station container.
After a quick look it appears I have about 50 that are 700 to 800k each with some 1 mil tags mix in, with a bunch of others. I guess this makes me a bit happier on the pay outs.
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.08.10 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
You really need to realize what those tags are actually worth. Can't speak for the Anti-Amarr missions, but the 5-parter Enemies Abound which is against Gallente and Minmatar is one of the most profitable missions around thanks to tags resulting in way more bounty per enemy ship HP than any other missions I know of, not to mention the superior loot. And since EA is the equivalent mission of ItMoDS I suspect it must be similar there.
Shhh! I make good isk out of mins selling cheap tags.
I then add extra margin when I sell the modules I purchased with those tags 
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