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pimania Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2009.08.10 21:39:00 - [1] Just started mining in my retriever, I mine Veldspar, refine to Tritanium then sell it for market price but it often doesn't sell? Any ideas why? I'm always selling at or just below market price. Thanks pi
jagoff Cosmic Cakes	Posted - 2009.08.10 21:46:00 - [2] are you undercutting everyone else in the station? are you in a station with enough customers? check your orders often, usually someone else selling the same thing in the same station will undercut you slightly so all the sales go to them instead of you.
Gouverneur	Posted - 2009.08.10 21:48:00 - [3] My Guess is, you're selling to far away from a Market Hub. People are lazy, hauling takes time, time cost isk.
Dralix	Posted - 2009.08.10 23:05:00 - [4] Edited by: Dralix on 10/08/2009 23:14:26 It sounds like you are making a custom sell order, rather than selling for an offered price. Which with minerals is usually not the best way to do it. Open the market > search tab > and enter trit. Look at the buy orders, the prices being offered (set them to go from highest to lowest), and the locations. Then go to a particular station if you have to, unload your mineral to the hanger, r click on it and choose 'sell' > then choose 'sell' again on that first screen. Your sale will be immediate, and you'll get the price the buyer is offering (unless the quantity is more than that left being sought by the buyer - in which case only a partial sale will occur). Note that sometimes buyers will set a range for their offer, so you may not actually have to go to the originating station itself. If you're currently within this range his buy order will be highlighted in green, and then you can just use your current station to sell the mineral.
Memphis Baas	Posted - 2009.08.10 23:39:00 - [5] With minerals, the deal is usually you move the minerals to a trade hub, and then you right-click and sell there, fulfilling the best-priced buy order that a manufacturer has put up. If you don't want to haul minerals, you CAN try to sell them at the station where you are, but, especially if you have small quantities, nobody wants to travel 5-7 jumps just to pick up your 5 tritanium, it's not worth their time. I'd say, learn the skills to use an Iteron and Expanded Cargohold I's, and move your minerals yourself. That Iteron will pay for itself in just a few trips.
Tranka Verrane Angelic Industries	Posted - 2009.08.10 23:43:00 - [6] Also if you're new don't refine it, sell the raw ore. You won't have either the standings or the skills to refine at maximum efficiency so sell the ore to those who do. Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
Pan Dora Caldari The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.11 01:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Memphis Baas I'd say, learn the skills to use an Iteron and Expanded Cargohold I's, and move your minerals yourself. That Iteron will pay for itself in just a few trips. Others race industrial work also. _ My posts DOES reflect the view of my corp and ally... ..or a mistake they did when let me post. (on a side note I suport my corp/ally decision to not let me post sometimes)
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.08.11 02:16:00 - [8] My industrial alt is a regular buyer of minerals and ore, so here are some things I look for: 1) Volume: I'm not going to fly to 50 different stations in my freighter/Orca/industrial. If it's a little more expensive but I can get a decent volume then I'll buy the bigger volume. Hint: stockpile until you have a decent volume. 2) Piggy Back: If there's a big volume somewhere, I'll buy up all the little orders in that station as well - Hint: if you don't have large volumes, get your ore/minerals to a station where someone else is selling larger volumes. 3) Ore and Mins: I work out values of both ore and minerals. I'll generally buy both, but will pay slightly less for ore because it's harder to ship (unless it's in a station where I have a perfect refine - in which case I'll refine it before I ship it). Hint: try to sell ore in one of the stations that has a 50% base refine. Also try to pick something that you think people will have high standings with - the faction navies are a good choice. 4) Refining: If you don't have a perfect refine yet, probably best to sell the ore, unless you're close to perfect, in which case people might pay a touch more for the refined minerals. Hint: check the prices for the ore - you might make more. Most serious buyers will want a few million Trit at a time as a minimum. Many will use buy orders, unless prices are competitive. I do use buy orders, but often pick up minerals from sell orders simply because I can better control which stations I have to pick up from. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Recruitment Closed until mid-Sept.
Kessiaan Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.11 03:24:00 - [9] A few things.. First, as a newer player, I really doubt you have enough volume to make it worth anyone's time to buy from your sell order. A decent hauler can hold about 3 million trit - that should be your minimum. A freighter can hold upwards of 95 million. Nobody is going to move a slowass freighter or only slightly faster industrial to pick up 100K trit. Related to the above, the further you are from a market hub, the cheaper your minerals have to be to make it worth anyone's time. When I did a lot of highsec mining, I'd check the buy orders for trit and veldspar first, and then go mine where I could immediately sell my haul. A lot of heavy-duty industrialsts will put up station-range buy orders in systems they have an interest in. Many of these are good and otherwise quiet mining systems.
Ozone71 Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Command	Posted - 2009.08.11 07:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Kessiaan A few things.. Related to the above, the further you are from a market hub, the cheaper your minerals have to be to make it worth anyone's time. Use the Star Map to look for factories. If someone wants to manufacture something they will need to haul minerals to the factory. If they can buy the minerals at the factory rather than haul.. its easier for them, and may be worth a little more. You can also mine and sell a long way from a market hub (especially if you sell at the factory). Minerals at the hub may be cheaper, it could be worth paying a little more to buy in the same system as a factory rather than make 10 jumps to the hub (and back). "Ozone is blue and smells faintly of geraniums." (Qi, BBC TV)

Jake Bronson Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.11 16:54:00 - [11] Interesting read. I'm very new to the game (5 days) and know little of the economy. Typically, I have just been mining ore in my start zone (where you do your first 30 missions) and refining it and just outright sell it there. I had not realized I was just filling someones "buy order".... I have an industrial ship (can't remember the name) that can hold about 5,000. Would it be worth my time to fill it with ore and haul it to a zone that has the highest buy rate? I shouldn't be refining it you say? What skill should I train to be able to efficiently refine my ore before I sell it? Also, what would be a good ship to aquire to do hauling in.... that wouldn't take a LONG time to train up to use. Sorry for all the questions.... I'm picking up a lot, but man, there's a LOT to learn about this game. A game that makes you do your homework. That's for sure. - nOOb alert -
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.11 17:18:00 - [12] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 11/08/2009 17:18:44 Originally by: Jake Bronson I have an industrial ship (can't remember the name) that can hold about 5,000. Would it be worth my time to fill it with ore and haul it to a zone that has the highest buy rate? Depends on how far you have to travel, but going to a trade hub, even if not a major one and just a regional trade hub, is usually a good idea. Quote: I shouldn't be refining it you say? What skill should I train to be able to efficiently refine my ore before I sell it? If you aren't getting 100% yield, or are paying refining tax, then it is usually better to just sell the ore. Of course ore is larger and harder to haul, so you have to balance the time you spend moving it as ore vs. what you could have made if you were mining and refining. Quote: Also, what would be a good ship to aquire to do hauling in.... that wouldn't take a LONG time to train up to use. Amarr Frigate 3 + Amarr Industrial 1 + Hull Upgrades 2 = Bestower with 13,318.98 m3. Largest low-skill hauler. Takes about 1 day for any race to train. Add in 4 Giant Secure Containers in the cargohold for 3,600 m3 more room (16,918.98 m3 total). If you plan to train Industrials to level 4, go with Minmatar Mammoth instead. If you plan level 5, then Gallente IteronV is largest. BUT if you train any race industrial to level 5, you also get easy access to transports (deep space and blockade runners) and freighters, which gives you more to think about if you plan to head down this path.
Celia Therone	Posted - 2009.08.11 20:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Jake Bronson I have an industrial ship (can't remember the name) that can hold about 5,000. Would it be worth my time to fill it with ore and haul it to a zone that has the highest buy rate? In my experience... No. For example Veldspar has a volume of 0.1m3 so you can fit 50,000 in your industrial. If you buy for 7.5 and sell for 9 (good luck with that spread) then you make 75,000 isk less taxes. Compare that with the income that you get from running even low level courier missions and it really doesn't look that hot. Now, as you get access to larger industrials and/or can afford more valuable cargo to put in them then it can become a lot more worthwhile.
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.08.11 20:54:00 - [14] welcome to the world of .01 isk wars. Since CCP decided you cannot pick which order you buy from, your purchase automatically goes to the lowest. ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban
Memphis Baas	Posted - 2009.08.11 22:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Jake Bronson Typically, I have just been mining ore in my start zone (where you do your first 30 missions) and refining it and just outright sell it there. I had not realized I was just filling someones "buy order".... The start zone is pretty crowded, and thus a poor place to mine. You have a lot of other newbies and other people competing for the same asteroids, and you also have a lot of traffic with ore thieves and such coming by to steal your stuff. I would recommend opening the map, coloring the stars by "Sec Rating", and then looking for a solar system nearby that's rated 0.7 or 0.8. You can then switch the stars to color by "active pilots in the last 30 minutes" and this will tell you how busy that system is. Basically, find a 0.7 or 0.8, quiet system nearby, and mine there. You will find a lot more asteroids to mine, and fewer ore thieves. Then, once you accumulate some ore, use whatever industrial you can fly to move it to wherever the best price is, and sell it there. Fit your industrial with Expanded Cargohold I's in all the low slots, and put as many Giant Secure Containers inside the cargo as you can. Both of these things will make that industrial carry more stuff. You may have to train your Industrial skill to 3 or so. Industrials get bigger space the higher your skill is. I think the average for a skill 3 industrial is 13,000 - 16,000 cargo.
Franko Scalzi	Posted - 2009.08.14 00:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Franko Scalzi on 14/08/2009 00:42:25 Originally by: Hoo Is welcome to the world of .01 isk wars. Since CCP decided you cannot pick which order you buy from, your purchase automatically goes to the lowest. Huh? You can pick which order you buy from. Why do you think you can't?
Saju Somtaaw Gallente Kiowa Tribe MagiTech Corp	Posted - 2009.08.14 01:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Franko Scalzi Edited by: Franko Scalzi on 14/08/2009 00:42:25 Originally by: Hoo Is welcome to the world of .01 isk wars. Since CCP decided you cannot pick which order you buy from, your purchase automatically goes to the lowest. Huh? You can pick which order you buy from. Why do you think you can't? Last I checked if there's an order for 3.00 and 2.99 at the same station even if you tell it to buy from the 3.00 it'll buy the 2.99 @ 3.00. ---- --- --- Devs Sign Here; GMs and ISD welcome to :) Keep flogging the dead horse POS
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.08.14 02:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Franko Scalzi Edited by: Franko Scalzi on 14/08/2009 00:42:25 Originally by: Hoo Is welcome to the world of .01 isk wars. Since CCP decided you cannot pick which order you buy from, your purchase automatically goes to the lowest. Huh? You can pick which order you buy from. Why do you think you can't? No you can't. Try this as an experiment. Go to a quiet station and place 1 tritanium at 5 ISK (or something a couple of ISK above the general price) place another 1 tritanium at 0.01 ISK BELOW the lowest sell order in the same station. Now right click on the Tritanium at 5 ISK and buy it. Check your sell orders. You will still have 1 Tritanium listed at 5 ISK, your order for 0.01 ISK below the lowest sell order will have been filled and you will have paid 5 ISK for that Tritanium, despite it being listed at below the market price. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Recruitment Closed until mid-Sept.
Franko Scalzi	Posted - 2009.08.14 03:13:00 - [19] Interesting. I guess I made some assumptions based on the fact that you can pick which buy order you buy from for other items. I figured ore was the same
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.08.14 03:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Franko Scalzi Interesting. I guess I made some assumptions based on the fact that you can pick which buy order you buy from for other items. I figured ore was the same It's the same for every item from Tritanium to Titans......substitute any item you like - I picked Tritanium because it's cheap and I didn't want you wasting ISK on experiments (even if you're buying from yourself, someone else might get in first and snaffle your item). Dont test on Sisi - I'm not sure if it will work because the market is borked with seeded stations - I guess it would work in a non-seeded station though. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Recruitment Closed until mid-Sept.


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.08.14 09:22:00 - [21] Mmm. Win a Ragnarok titan for 10M ISK

Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.08.14 11:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Tau Cabalander ... if you train any race industrial to level 5, you also get easy access to transports (deep space and blockade runners) and freighters, which gives you more to think about if you plan to head down this path. From memory, the deep space transport with the largest carrying capacity is the Amarr "Impel", based on the bestower design. The fastest blockade runner is the Minmatar "Prowler". For most miners: until you figure out the market just find the highest buy order and sell to that. Alternately, live with the fact that if you're selling ore more than 1 jump away from Jita, Dodixie, Oursalaert, Rens, Hek, or Amarr, you'll have to drop your price quite significantly so someone else can buy it to haul it to a market hub for their share of the profit. [Aussie players: join channel ANZAC]
Nareg Maxence Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.14 12:57:00 - [23] Edited by: Nareg Maxence on 14/08/2009 13:04:05 Originally by: Franko Scalzi Interesting. I guess I made some assumptions based on the fact that you can pick which buy order you buy from for other items. I figured ore was the same As has been mentioned, it's the same with all items. What matters is that it's at the same station. You can choose between sell orders that are at different stations. At one particular station, the seller that is cheapest at that station, gets the order. Clear? Ok, Example: Station A - Region X 1 Trit at 4.99 ISK 1 Trit at 5 ISK Station B - Region X 1 Trit at 6 ISK If you try to buy the Trit at station B you get one Trit at Station B for 6 ISK If you try to buy the Trit at station A at 5 ISK, you really buy from the guy selling it for 4.99 ISK, but it still costs you 5 ISK and he gets 5 ISK instead of 4.99 ISK. The sell order for 1 Trit at 5 ISK will still be there afterwards. If you try to buy the Trit at station A at 4.99 ISK, you get the Trit that station for 4.99 and the sell order for 1 Trit at 5 ISK will still remain.
Harkwyth Mist Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.14 15:22:00 - [24] Some useful tips above .... Train the various highsec <orename> Processing skills to L4 (will also give you T2 mining crystal access) and Refining Efficiency to L3+. Always try to use a 50% base refine station. Offhand [Accounting/Broker Relations] from Trade Skills can reduce your overheads aswell. These 3 pages should help you focus your mining/refining endevours. Enjoy. Asteroid Grid Asteroid Finder Mineral Breakdown


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