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Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.11 21:34:00 - [1] I'm not going to humour people with a long post, I'm just going to say to the Provist barbarians to get the hell out of our country, and back where you came from. Likewise, I hope this fires the fuels of the Federal Defence Union to do something about this 'act of imperialism', whatever you want to call it. And I appeal to CONCORD, to be more clear with the Emergency War Powers Act. Even the STPRO pilots didn't expect this to happen. Seriphyn Inhonores Luminaire District Parliament candidate for Greater Monipuolinen ward Sociocrat Party
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.11 23:07:00 - [2] You pathetic creature. The Caldari forces overrun your meager defenses in systems your government didn't care enough about to properly police and now you cry to the DED to turn back the tide? Grow a backbone and fight yourself for what you would claim as you own instead of calling on others to sacrifice themselves and the bureaucracy to write you out of the hole you find yourself in. If you cared so much for these systems you should have defended them instead of sitting safe in Luminaire watching the efforts of others on your view screen. Heartstone. ---
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.08.12 00:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores I'm just going to say to the Provist barbarians to get the hell out of our country, and back where you came from. We did that. You didn't like it. CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.08.12 04:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Dex Nederland Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores I'm just going to say to the Provist barbarians to get the hell out of our country, and back where you came from. We did that. You didn't like it.
Silver Night Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.12 04:35:00 - [5] Well, you see, the mega-corporations are not the Provists. The Provists are the ones currently in control. I suspect that being sold to a mega-corp will largely improve the situation in these systems, since the Gallente Federation and it's associated militia continue being incapable of recapturing them. It is also at least a small step in the right direction : The Provists actually being provisional. Of course, the specifics might depend on the mega-corp in question.
Sahriah BloodStone Caldari Burning Avarice	Posted - 2009.08.12 05:01:00 - [6] THe Caldari tried to go their seperate ways with the gallente a long time ago but the gallente refused to let us leave quietly, what do you tihnk caused this whole caldari/gallente conflict in the first place, and now that you have found you cannot handle the caldari you tell them to get out? Make up your mind ---------------------- Sahriah Bloodstone Burning Avarice
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.08.12 05:33:00 - [7] The news were indeed interesting and I wait the outcome with anticipation. However, I must say one thing. Leave the Intaki alone for ILF and USF. Without aid of many people fighting alongside State Protectorate in that system, who knows what the result of the war might be. If they so want, they deserve their system for themselves. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.08.12 06:49:00 - [8] The day Souro Foiritan grows a spine is the day the Federation will actually start to fight back. The Federal people are by now more than likely regretting re-electing such a weak and hopeless moron. Lets face it, they could have elected Blaque and had a man who would have put the interests of the Federation at the forefront, rather than Foiritan, who's intent on tiptoeing around useless foreign policy with no other purpose than to stroke everyone elses asses while things at home fall apart. The Senate has been a shambles since that weak minded indecisive ****** took office. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.12 12:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores I'm not going to humour people with a long post, And here I was thinking only the Amarr dealt in miraclesà I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Kimochi Rendar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.08.12 12:24:00 - [10] What amuses me is that by far the most effective thing to come out of the whole mess is the Black Eagles, whose sole purpose is to make sure Federation citizens are being good little patriots. Perhaps if that puppet Foiritan spent less time terrorizing his own citizens with shadowy government agencies, he'd have some resources left to deal with real threats that come from outside the Federation. Director of Diplomacy \| IC Blog
Simon Coal Gallente The Grass Spiders	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:24:00 - [11] Originally by: Kimochi Rendar Perhaps if that puppet Foiritan spent less time terrorizing his own citizens with shadowy government agencies, he'd have some resources left to deal with real threats that come from outside the Federation. Oh please. We both know the Militia Act doesn't work that way. The President did a fine job deploying the forces the Act allowed; the failure rests on the shoulders of Fed-aligned capsuleers.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Verone they could have elected Blaque and had a man who would have put the interests of the Gallente at the forefront Fixed that for you, subtle difference. For those who are dense, Gallente meaning people whose ancestors are from Gallente Prime. It excludes the Intaki, Jin-Mei, Mannar, Minmatar immigrants, any other minority ethnic group that resides within the Federation. CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone THe Caldari tried to go their seperate ways with the gallente a long time ago but the gallente refused to let us leave quietly, what do you tihnk caused this whole caldari/gallente conflict in the first place, and now that you have found you cannot handle the caldari you tell them to get out? Make up your mind Tibus Heth caused this current conflict with his anti-Galantean rhetoric and using the Galanteans as a scape goat for the abuses of power performed by the Mega-corporations leadership. To believe otherwise only proves you haven't done your research. ((props to Tony Gonzales, I'd mention the Broker but I don't know if its become public knowledge)) ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Kletus Snoe Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Sky Grunthor Tibus Heth caused this current conflict with his anti-Galantean rhetoric and using the Galanteans as a scape goat for the abuses of power performed by the Mega-corporations leadership. To believe otherwise only proves you haven't done your research. ((props to Tony Gonzales, I'd mention the Broker but I don't know if its become public knowledge)) The cause of this conflict is long before Heth. It began when the Gallente spoke of freedom but denied a people the freedom to go their own way. If the Gallente would have allowed the Caldari to freely seperate there would be no conflict today and people like Heth would never have come to power. Seems you are the one in need of research. You must learn history lest it be repeated.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Dex Nederland Originally by: Verone they could have elected Blaque and had a man who would have put the interests of the Gallente at the forefront Fixed that for you, subtle difference. For those who are dense, Gallente meaning people whose ancestors are from Gallente Prime. It excludes the Intaki, Jin-Mei, Mannar, Minmatar immigrants, any other minority ethnic group that resides within the Federation. Rich, coming from the supporter of a leader who started a war based on a hunred year old grudge and racist hate. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Sahriah BloodStone Caldari Burning Avarice	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Sky Grunthor Tibus Heth caused this current conflict with his anti-Galantean rhetoric and using the Galanteans as a scape goat for the abuses of power performed by the Mega-corporations leadership. To believe otherwise only proves you haven't done your research. ((props to Tony Gonzales, I'd mention the Broker but I don't know if its become public knowledge)) I am not talking about Heth, his actions are self motivated and the properganda is rediculous. I am talking about the ORGINAL conflicts when the caldari state wanted to seperate from teh Gallente. It is the Gallente who tried to stop us, which caused the inital tension between the empires. That is to what i was refering to. I assure you i have done my research on all events (( Broker is unknown to us still afaik, awesome book though :D)) ---------------------- Sahriah Bloodstone Burning Avarice
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Kletus Snoe Originally by: Sky Grunthor Tibus Heth caused this current conflict with his anti-Galantean rhetoric and using the Galanteans as a scape goat for the abuses of power performed by the Mega-corporations leadership. To believe otherwise only proves you haven't done your research. ((props to Tony Gonzales, I'd mention the Broker but I don't know if its become public knowledge)) The cause of this conflict is long before Heth. It began when the Gallente spoke of freedom but denied a people the freedom to go their own way. If the Gallente would have allowed the Caldari to freely seperate there would be no conflict today and people like Heth would never have come to power. Seems you are the one in need of research. You must learn history lest it be repeated. Your going to blame the something that happened almost 200 years ago as the direct cause of the recent conflict? How ... long sited of you. Nothing in my statement was inaccurate. I have done my research on this matter, actually very recently too. That period in time you spoke of is a dark stain on the Galantean face true, yet it also happened so long ago and they (Gallenteans) HAVE changed their ways since. To blame those events as the cause of the current conflict is to exculpate Heth and his rhetoric and his ACTIONS of direct provocation and attack. Use some sense brother. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Originally by: Sky Grunthor Tibus Heth caused this current conflict with his anti-Galantean rhetoric and using the Galanteans as a scape goat for the abuses of power performed by the Mega-corporations leadership. To believe otherwise only proves you haven't done your research. ((props to Tony Gonzales, I'd mention the Broker but I don't know if its become public knowledge)) I am not talking about Heth, his actions are self motivated and the properganda is rediculous. I am talking about the ORGINAL conflicts when the caldari state wanted to seperate from teh Gallente. It is the Gallente who tried to stop us, which caused the inital tension between the empires. That is to what i was refering to. I assure you i have done my research on all events (( Broker is unknown to us still afaik, awesome book though :D)) apologies if I didn't quite connect the context of your statement. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.12 16:24:00 - [19] Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 12/08/2009 16:24:09 Hmm, the Hueromont Act. Total war. State of emergency. A big behemoth of a Federation that's really ****ed off. Now you've done it. Seriphyn Inhonores Luminaire District Parliament candidate for Greater Monipuolinen ward Sociocrat Party
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 12/08/2009 16:28:16 Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 12/08/2009 16:24:09 Hmm, the Hueromont Act. Total war. State of emergency. A big behemoth of a Federation that's really ****ed off. Now you've done it. Seriphyn Inhonores Luminaire District Parliament candidate for Greater Monipuolinen ward Sociocrat Party Actually, unless the wires regarding this are dead-wrong, even the Senate is rather wary of the invocation of the Hueromont Act. I would highly suggest you avoid making claims of having awoken a sleeping giant unless you have evidence to show that the vast majority or the whole of the Federation is rallying behind this.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:36:00 - [21] I find it unendingly ironic that supporters of the Federation are so quick to celebrate when their alleged freedoms are curtailed by the sitting demagogue or authoritarian party of the day. It is truly tragi-comic. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:53:00 - [22] I would actually suggest it's up to the capsuleers to head off what's looking like potentially the kind of war this CONCORD act was set up to avoid. Unfortunately, the Gallente militia looks more like it's just standing by, letting this happen. If the people meant to spearhead and fight this war aren't doing that, what can the governments do but look for other means to assert their sovereignty? And people derided the occupancy label on the star map. snorts Useless tag, indeed.
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Krystal Vernet And people derided the occupancy label on the star map. snorts Useless tag, indeed. This, over and over. Now, there is no moral highround in defence of the Caldari imperialism. And now Intaki Prime descends into chaos in the face of Caldari barbarianism. What was the quote from couple centuries ago? "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest." So, every drop of blood that is poured on the earth of the occupied worlds will be repaid tenfold. And yes, counter this with the events of more than two centuries ago. Seriously, grow up and move on. The State shall burn a thousand times over before the Federation bends to your will. Seriphyn Inhonores Luminaire District Parliament candidate for Greater Monipuolinen ward Sociocrat Party
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:37:00 - [24] Seriphyn, What is the deal. Your working for a Minmatar corporation and running for election in a Gallente ward. Your loyalties seem a little convoluted. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Sky Grunthor Seriphyn, What is the deal. Your working for a Minmatar corporation and running for election in a Gallente ward. Your loyalties seem a little convoluted. Stay tuned. Seriphyn Inhonores Luminaire District Parliament candidate for Greater Monipuolinen ward Sociocrat Party
Mort Eveson Gallente Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:51:00 - [26] Edited by: Mort Eveson on 12/08/2009 18:53:01 Originally by: Damar Rocarion The news were indeed interesting and I wait the outcome with anticipation. However, I must say one thing. Leave the Intaki alone for ILF and USF. Without aid of many people fighting alongside State Protectorate in that system, who knows what the result of the war might be. If they so want, they deserve their system for themselves. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Thank you Damar, you prove your friendship with the Intaki people again, remembering us even in this time of change. However I would like to remind the State that the people in those occupied system have much in common with the Caldari in the First War. Remember this and treat them with the respect and understand you wish the Gallente had shown. Do not let your anger at the Gallente government block your sight of the individuals on the ground, with whom you have so much in common. If you do not it will lead to further hatred and sow the seeds of another war, as a disposed people fight for their homeland. I hope that special consideration will be given to Intaki, to allow us to live in freedom, in peace. Many Intaki have supported the Caldari, both in the past and at present, and all want stability and normality to return to their lives. I await further information to come forwards before I get my hopes up though. Mort "" Visit us on http://www.ilfcorp.com/
Koronakesh Amarr The Synenose Accord	Posted - 2009.08.12 18:51:00 - [27] Originally by: The Cosmopolite I find it unendingly ironic that supporters of the Federation are so quick to celebrate when their alleged freedoms are curtailed by the sitting demagogue or authoritarian party of the day. It is truly tragi-comic. The Cosmopolite .....God damn it, now I'm the one agreeing with and praising him for a well placed remark.
Omiot Pavus Caldari Kasaoka Laboratories	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:33:00 - [28] The title begs the question: "What should Federation citizens blame most when it comes to the issue of having a substantial part of their nation occupied by Caldari forces: Caldari imperialism or Gallentean incompetence?" It's also been repeated gods know how many times that the Federation signed a treaty legalizing this war. Foritian and the Senate should have contemplated the possibility of the current situation when they made that decision - or, possibly, they did consider this situation and still decided to gamble with their Federation's future. On a separate note, seems as if this was a great week to have to be called planet-side.
Hamish Grayson Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Omiot Pavus The title begs the question: "What should Federation citizens blame most when it comes to the issue of having a substantial part of their nation occupied by Caldari forces: Caldari imperialism or Gallentean incompetence?" Neither, the blame falls on Gallente imperialism. If one sticks one's hand into a badger's sett one should expect to pull back a nub. ============================================ It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.12 21:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Kimochi Rendar What amuses me is that by far the most effective thing to come out of the whole mess is the Black Eagles, whose sole purpose is to make sure Federation citizens are being good little patriots. Perhaps if that puppet Foiritan spent less time terrorizing his own citizens with shadowy government agencies, he'd have some resources left to deal with real threats that come from outside the Federation. And that sums it up right there. If the Federation cannot live up to its own ideals, then there is no Federation, and nothing to fight for. It's a corpse, and exoskeleton still walking around acting like it still stands for something, but it's as bad as everything it claims the enemy is. Capsuleers are the only ones left with liberty. For it's our own standings that determine where we can go. We can choose to be in this fight, or not. Perhaps we will have to intervene and put an end to this stupid war. I will start by taking no part in this fiasco, killing and being killed to make other men rich as they sell us the ammo - that being the ones who started this, and would sooner share drinks with each other if this war ever ends, as if nothing happened. We should lock all of these leaders up in a deadspace with only rookie ships, and let them kill each other for their stupid ideas.
Pulivin Motic Caldari Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.12 22:25:00 - [31] The systems the Caldari are capturing aren't even worth the effort. I see no reason to lay down my life to capture a pirate infested system.
Rayth Phaenor Caldari Aurelius Federation	Posted - 2009.08.12 22:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Originally by: Krystal Vernet And people derided the occupancy label on the star map. snorts Useless tag, indeed. This, over and over. Now, there is no moral highround in defence of the Caldari imperialism. Funny, coming from a man whose government agreed to the proxy war, which terms have obviously not been violated seeing as CONCORD has not deigned to intervene in the State's actions. No, there is no moral highground here for the Federation, either. You gambled your own citizens and space for a two hundred year old grudge, and then lost spectacularly.
Feyona Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.12 23:19:00 - [33] If you want something, take it. Grasp it in your fist. Sitting around bemoaning the loss of it on IGS hardly helps. I do believe the Gallente to be as right in this war as the Caldari were in the first war... The events are essentially switched. A shame, then, that the FDU can't seem to get up the steam to recapture the territory. Not entirely surprising, however.
Vendrin Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2009.08.12 23:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Pulivin Motic The systems the Caldari are capturing aren't even worth the effort. I see no reason to lay down my life to capture a pirate infested system. Which is no doubt why the State is winning. Honestly, it is a pity the Federal pilots aren't more motivated, it would be nice to have some more business opportunities in the region. _______________________________
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.08.12 23:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Vendrin Which is no doubt why the State is winning. Honestly, it is a pity the Federal pilots aren't more motivated, it would be nice to have some more business opportunities in the region. I think the overwhelming abundance of your "business opportunities" are exactly what he's complaining about, Vendrin. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.13 00:09:00 - [36] Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 13/08/2009 00:09:28 Funny how, no matter what the circumstances, no matter what the situation, the Caldari will always find a way to sc**** the barrel to find some justification for their barbaric imperialism. ((OOC - Wow...I just got censored o_O ))
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.08.13 01:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Dex Nederland Originally by: Verone they could have elected Blaque and had a man who would have put the interests of the Gallente at the forefront Fixed that for you, subtle difference. For those who are dense, Gallente meaning people whose ancestors are from Gallente Prime. It excludes the Intaki, Jin-Mei, Mannar, Minmatar immigrants, any other minority ethnic group that resides within the Federation. Rich, coming from the supporter of a leader who started a war based on a hundred year old grudge and racist hate. chuckles You think I am judging Blaque? No, I am pointing out what he has said in the past. I have no present issue with a Gallente-First policy within the Gallente Federation; perhaps then they would keep their noises out of the State's and Empire's internal affairs and let the Minmatar stand on their own two feet. However if I was a Federal citizen, I would be much more concerned with a Gallente-First policy, not being Gallente. But I am not a Federal citizen. Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores So, every drop of blood that is poured on the earth of the occupied worlds will be repaid tenfold. And yes, counter this with the events of more than two centuries ago. Seriously, grow up and move on. The State shall burn a thousand times over before the Federation bends to your will. We will take you with us. Your sacred rights, individual and communal, are gone, cast aside to fight a war that wasn't needed. We had our objective, our home, where we came from. But the Federation's pride was tarnished and demanded war, a proxy one so it could rebuild its own military, a proxy war they lost. CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Vincent Death Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 06:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Verone Rich, coming from the supporter of a leader who started a war based on a hunred year old grudge and racist hate. Caldari Prime was not returned 100 years ago. The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism.
Dante Vailatti Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Vincent Death} The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism.[/quote I thought a corporate political hegemony based in violent expansion was called Facism? D. "In the promise of another world A dreadful knowledge comes How even space can modulate And earthly things be done."
Vincent Death Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.14 02:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Dante Vailatti Originally by: Vincent Death} The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism.[/quote I thought a corporate political hegemony based in violent expansion was called Facism? D. I wonder what relevance your description of Facism has to either this topic or my signature? Actually, I don't wonder, I know. None. The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism.
Aria Jenneth Caldari The Synenose Accord	Posted - 2009.08.14 04:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Funny how, no matter what the circumstances, no matter what the situation, the Caldari will always find a way to sc**** the barrel to find some justification for their barbaric imperialism. There's little scraping required, Mr. Inhonores. Nor is sifting, twisting, cherry-picking, or straw-grasping required for two nations with a history of animosity as long and varied as ours to find cause for killing each other. Justification is easy. You take a part for the whole, a molehill for a mountain, incompetence for malice, and absolutely everything in the worst possible way. And if that doesn't work, you can just take a stand on principle and the rest follows right along. Anybody can do it. Everybody does. Aria Jenneth Director and Angel Cartel Representative The Synenose Accord

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