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BelovarReborn
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Posted - 2009.08.13 02:26:00 -
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"There has been a reportedáincrease ináhate crimes by Caldari supporters against Intaki Prime's ethnic Gallente population"
In addition to our assault on the Pro-Gallente moon mining operations and funding of warfare upon the pod alliances who have participated in acts against the Intaki, The Reborn Movement has also been supporting pro-Caldari Intaki who will stand up against the Gallente enemies.
The Movement welcomes the Caldari and supports all efforts to clean the Homeworld of Gallente taint.
The Movement has offered ISK bounties for the death of Gallente swine who dare to infest our Homeworld.
the Movement will offer Isk bounties to Pod Pilots for any Federation supporter killed in Intaki Space.
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Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.13 10:12:00 -
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Good...
I shall follow your progress with the greatest of intrest.
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.08.13 12:42:00 -
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And again we see people who think this nonsense is constructive. The Intaki can either follow the path of the Caldari or that of the Minmatar -- of constructive action towards creating an independent state backed by military force or of frothing rage that will forever make them a second-rate power, regardless of who holds sovereignty over their systems. The Intaki do not even have the sheer numbers of the Minmatar on their side.
If you want to truly make the Intaki free, or even a strong and productive part of a greater nation, you will have to do better than simply trying to kill Gallente. While some within the State no doubt would consider your ignorance their own special brand of heroism, they are wrong, and such a path will only lead to ruin for those who embrace it, be they Intaki or Caldari.
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CAPT Svetlana Scarlet
CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.13 13:32:00 -
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Two options only... right...
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.13 13:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet
And again we see people who think this nonsense is constructive. The Intaki can either follow the path of the Caldari or that of the Minmatar -- of constructive action towards creating an independent state backed by military force or of frothing rage that will forever make them a second-rate power, regardless of who holds sovereignty over their systems. The Intaki do not even have the sheer numbers of the Minmatar on their side.
If you want to truly make the Intaki free, or even a strong and productive part of a greater nation, you will have to do better than simply trying to kill Gallente. While some within the State no doubt would consider your ignorance their own special brand of heroism, they are wrong, and such a path will only lead to ruin for those who embrace it, be they Intaki or Caldari.
Or they can follow the path of the majority of Intaki, and stick by the Federation. It just shocks me how so many capsuleers believe they are taking the majority view of outright Intaki secession. Get on the ground, and talk to people, or even just read the news. The facts are there.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Luminaire District Parliament candidate for Greater Monipuolinen ward
Sociocrat Party
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Aleczander Kerr
Epitoth Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.13 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mazca Lopez
Two options only... right...
You're right. The third option is to convert and join the Empire. |
Imiom Ravena
Caldari
CBD Capsuleer Division
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Posted - 2009.08.13 13:53:00 -
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I'm just interested to see which megacorporation manages to secure developmental rights over the Intaki system. As well as how it will effect the Caldari reaction to this 'open armed' approach this faction of the Intaki are taking.
I mean... will it be Practical, Liberal or Patriot that will find itself as the new overseer of the Intaki system? I can assure you, the answer to that question will decide alot when it comes to the movements... or any other Intaki organisations relationship with the state.
I for one will be monitoring this with interest.
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Sah Phyre
Gallente
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.13 14:17:00 -
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Serves the Feds right for treating Intaki as a backwater system.
Things will get a lot worse before they get better. There's still no actual response from Caldari authorities regarding the situation, so anything is possible. I doubt it'll be a full-scale invasion though, it's not another Caldari Prime.
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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.08.13 14:25:00 -
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While the Intaki Liberation Front has long championed the creation of a free and independent Intaki state, we cannot and will not condone violence (and violence against civilians in particular) as a means to that end.
As social scientist Carol Moore has observed, the universe's large nation states are maintained through threatened and actual military violence against even perceived secessionists. Democratic welfare states bribe their citizens with unsustainable social welfare programs while they build up powerful and increasingly armed militaries. Dictatorships dispense with social welfare bribes, sacrificing their people as they focus on military buildups. Only abolition of large nation states and their militaries will prevent destructive regional wars.
Nonviolence is the belief that no racial, ethnic, religious, ideological, social, or economic belief or goal excuses the use of individual or state violence to force the compliance of others. Nonviolent philosophy and practices extend to interpersonal, group and community conflict resolution, nonviolent legal sanctions and nonviolent policing and defense.
The purpose of non-violent action is to withdraw consent from government or other authorities, rather than wrest power from them -- de facto secession. Non-violence heightens the moral superiority of the actionists in the eyes of the general public -- especially if the authorities respond to their sincere and open nonviolent protest with violence. Even members of the ruling classes can be swayed to sympathy by such non-violent actions. Police and soldiers wooed with sound political arguments and non-violent demonstrations are more likely to come over to the side of the activists than ones afraid of being harmed by protesters.
Political violence destroys public sympathy and unites the people with the elites and the police against the protesters -- that's why governments infiltrate demonstrations with violent "agent provocateurs." Violent action usually is practiced predominantly by angry young males, often with military training, who often become as ruthless towards other dissidents as they do towards the oppressor. When violent revolutionaries take power, their regimes often are as ruthless as their revolutions.
Similarly, we must work to remove violence as a means of resolving conflicts in, or regulating, our private and public affairs. The acceptance of personal violence, public violence, government violence and war between nations are intimately connected. Nonviolent conflict resolution within and between communities, nonviolent enforcement of contracts and rules and regulations, and even nonviolent policing, peacekeeping and defense have all proved workable in many places, at many times.
A commitment to nonviolent conflict resolution helps create tolerance among people, despite their ethnic, racial, religious, ideological and other differences. We must extend them to all place and all times, if humanity is to survive and prosper.
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Sumerio Rayej
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.08.14 06:22:00 -
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Is welcoming the Caldari to Intaki really a good move for our people? The Caldari militia has been great - helping to protect the system from piracy, but they don't have a notion that they own the place. Tibus Heth, on the other hand, apparently does. The way to independence and prosperity for our people is not to throw off one yoke only to invite another to be placed over our heads.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.14 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 14/08/2009 08:11:39
Originally by: Sumerio Rayej
Is welcoming the Caldari to Intaki really a good move for our people? The Caldari militia has been great - helping to protect the system from piracy, but they don't have a notion that they own the place. Tibus Heth, on the other hand, apparently does. The way to independence and prosperity for our people is not to throw off one yoke only to invite another to be placed over our heads.
A wise question, and one that I ask myself every time I hear of ethnic Intaki supporting the Caldari invaders. The Intaki enjoyed far-reaching autonomy and cultural identity under the Federation, and I worry that the Caldari will take away much more than we will gain.
Now I know president Foiritan has not maintained policies in line with Gallente ideals over the past year, but at least the Senate is now finally moving to impeach this ball of gross incompetence. Do you think it would be that easy to 'impeach' the Caldari if it turns out we don't like their policies after all?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.14 08:49:00 -
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Ballots and Bullets are only two letters apart.
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Mort Eveson
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.08.14 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mort Eveson on 14/08/2009 19:07:49
Edited by: Mort Eveson on 14/08/2009 19:07:17
Originally by: Sumerio Rayej
Is welcoming the Caldari to Intaki really a good move for our people? The Caldari militia has been great - helping to protect the system from piracy, but they don't have a notion that they own the place. Tibus Heth, on the other hand, apparently does. The way to independence and prosperity for our people is not to throw off one yoke only to invite another to be placed over our heads.
I agree with Sumerio on this, to an extent at least. Although the Caldari militia have been gracious and respectful in their 'conquest' of Intaki, the Federation Militia has insulted us and attacked us in their 'defence'. At the beginning of The War we offered positive standing with all militia pilots who entered Intaki, in the hope of preventing loss of life. The Caldari accepted, where as the Federation called us traitors. To my knowledge only one of our pilots has actively supported the Caldari, as her conscience lead her, although I will agree I have given them non-violent support.
I totally disagree with the statements of BelovarReborn. The Intaki and Gallente have co-existed in peace and harmony for hundreds of years, they raised us to the stars. Just because the current government is unable or unwilling to give security or peace to the Intaki system does not mean all Gallente must die! Entirely apart from the moral issues and the fact it totally violated every part of the Ida do you not realise that it would simply lead to violent reprisals against Intaki all across the Federation? We are a wide spread people and have integrated well where ever we have gone, now is the time to re-enforce that and use the influence we have built, not to loose it all in a fit of insane violence.
Please, fight only in defence and do not seek death for deaths sake.
Mort
**In addition, Pilot Inhonores I accept that officially Separatism is not a majority view but it is a significant minority. If the Intaki people had been given the opportunity to vote on the issue, to have a full public debate on it, the Federation may have realised its mistakes and fixed them. Sadly we may never know now.**
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