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Zer'Adul
Kore Labs HHC
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Posted - 2012.06.02 19:23:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Koreli Stelios wrote:Oh yea i forgot they just give those out in the tutorials and take no training!?
You seem to fail to understand the concept i put forward to simply suggest a way a specific and unavoidable period of game play perhaps be provided a little more balance.
Now we all know your stand point but you don't speak for everyone. You don't need to keep posting.
Either others will and not support it and so it will be dropped OR others wont because they don't care and so it will be dropped OR others will in support and so perhaps it would go forward. Again...you missed the point....not unusual with you these days.
And you seem to love being deliberately obtuse... Not unusual with you these days. Are you going to be buying Orcas, and the skill books needed to train them, for all the new players? You must be feeling generous these days... Now, back under your bridge, Troll.
@ OP: The premise appears sound, but that's just at first glance. I don't like this particular angle on how to mitigate some of the rampant flipping. Personally I don't want it to go away in its current form. You make several good points, however I can't support it like this.
I'd say a complete rework after checking out both sides of how the mechanics relating to this work would be in order, but I'm not expecting much in the way of changes. |

Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
467
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Posted - 2012.06.02 20:54:00 -
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[sarcasm]Lets just implement a roll system on loot. That way ebil piwates can't steal your things and every poor little newbie is happy in the end![/sarcasm] Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |

Americe Zane
Dovahkiin. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
11
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Posted - 2012.06.04 07:01:00 -
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How is wanting to change the whole system of jetcan mining exploit, in the miners favor, accepting the risk of jetcan mining?
FYI, if someone takes something out of my trashcan, and I decide i want it back, break into their home and take it. Guess whos going to jail? Jetcans can be seen as garbage cans. They belong to you and everything inside technically belongs to you, but can be assumed to be up for grabs, as you show that you no longer want it.
In all seriousness, jetcan mining is risky, for all the reasons mentioned in the OP. As others have pointed out, there are better ways to go about mining. |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
186
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Posted - 2012.06.04 08:41:00 -
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I have known jet can mining is dangerous since shortly after starting playing Eve. Its just a fact of life.
If you want to solve this problem and a couple of other, suggest a new larger secure container. The Giant Secure container is pathetic, and we could use a bigger one. This would partially solve your problem, and we'd get useful secure containers. |

Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
82
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Posted - 2012.06.04 11:27:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:I have known jet can mining is dangerous since shortly after starting playing Eve. Its just a fact of life.
If you want to solve this problem and a couple of other, suggest a new larger secure container. The Giant Secure container is pathetic, and we could use a bigger one. This would partially solve your problem, and we'd get useful secure containers.
Oh my god, yes. Giant Secure Containers are far too small.
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Rastino
Silent Society Ineluctable.
13
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Posted - 2012.06.04 18:58:00 -
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Welcome to EVE the only real sandbox MMO on the market right now.
EVE could be saidt to slightly resemble the lawless wild west.
If you get somthing and others can steal it the law will always have better things to do than help you. On the other hand you are giver the card blanch to shoot the crap out of them. It all boils down to "CAREBEAR SMARTER NOT HARDER"
So if you want to make sure people dont steat your ore use secure cans, an orca alt, a industrial alt or warp to station when cargo is full and unload.
Ohhhh and if you thought EVE was safe you where told wrong..... It is NEVER safe deal with it, the rest of us have. |

Rimase
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
32
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Posted - 2012.06.05 11:03:00 -
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[deleted] (Why CCP no improve Shareholding?): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=71032#post71032 |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
130
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Posted - 2012.06.07 06:11:00 -
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I agree. If you're gonna flip someone, you shouldn't just leave the ore sitting in space. If you can't do better than that, you're a bad pirate. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
189
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Posted - 2012.06.07 12:46:00 -
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Are you sure you wish to jettison your cargo? [Yes] [No]
The OP needs to understand what 'Jettison' means.
If you dont want someone to flip, then use secure containers.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Major Killz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:29:00 -
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Well. I'm not sure this thread is a big deal. |
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Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
226
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:07:00 -
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Easy way to deal with canflippers: don't jetcan mine. |

Mallak Azaria
189
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:23:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:Well thanks DR Quantom, but it said this was the place for ideas so i thought worth a try :) Mallak Azaria wrote:Koreli Stelios wrote:Xorv wrote:Mining of any value shouldn't occur in High Sec under the protection of CONCORD. Then under those circumstances can flipping is irrelevant. Mining high sec is as acceptable a way to make profits as anything else in the game. And with what i propose no one would be under the protection of Concord. Its just about evening the odds and there by encouraging more fair PvP between criminals and those they target. Stealing is also an acceptable way to make profit, as anything else in the game. Mallak Azaria, please actually read what i have to say as I've stated multiple times that i accept stealing and criminality as a part of Eve. However i am saying the way this works and is viewed should change. It should not be possible to "steal" back what belongs to you only to take it rightfully. And in making this change it would create more balanced game play. As an example imagine i came into your home and took the computer on which you are viewing this and playing Eve among other things. Then knowing where i live you come and take back YOUR computer, for it is still yours is it not? Would you have also stolen it from me then? Could i prosecute you for stealing the computer just the same as you could me? That would just be crazy, it would be thrown out of court assuming it could even make it there. So why should the values of ownership be any different in Eve?
Because EVE is a fictional computer game. I did read your OP in it's entirety, you however either by choice or ignorance contradict your own statements. |

Easthir Ravin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
30
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Posted - 2012.06.11 11:18:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:I have known jet can mining is dangerous since shortly after starting playing Eve. Its just a fact of life.
If you want to solve this problem and a couple of other, suggest a new larger secure container. The Giant Secure container is pathetic, and we could use a bigger one. This would partially solve your problem, and we'd get useful secure containers.
Greetings
I second this. Whoever said that 3K m3 was giant is probably the same one who told us what six inches looks like. Instead of looking for a new and abused game mechanic, how about a usable Secure Cargo Container with 20K m3 just so the truly greedy will still jet can mine. The container in theory would fit empty inside a badger Mk1 with cargo expanders, so as to have something to train to. When anchored it would have expand to usable size and would have to be emptied again to un-anchor and move.
vr East IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!" |

Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
88
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:48:00 -
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Easthir Ravin wrote:Arduemont wrote:I have known jet can mining is dangerous since shortly after starting playing Eve. Its just a fact of life.
If you want to solve this problem and a couple of other, suggest a new larger secure container. The Giant Secure container is pathetic, and we could use a bigger one. This would partially solve your problem, and we'd get useful secure containers. Greetings I second this. Whoever said that 3K m3 was giant is probably the same one who told us what six inches looks like. Instead of looking for a new and abused game mechanic, how about a usable Secure Cargo Container with 20K m3 just so the truly greedy will still jet can mine. The container in theory would fit empty inside a badger Mk1 with cargo expanders, so as to have something to train to. When anchored it would expand to usable size and would need to be emptied again to un-anchor and move. vr East
Well said. But in all likelihood they will ignore your good suggestion and carry on bickering about a subject that isn't going anywhere. That seems to be the way of this forum in general. |
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