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Facist Pope	Posted - 2009.08.13 23:09:00 - [1] Edited by: Facist Pope on 13/08/2009 23:11:08 Ok so we recently got a wardec which has lasted 4 weeks i think it is atm However there is some confusion about what day it would actually stop The war was declared on a friday at 07:22 eve time, so it started on saturday at 07:22 When would the war actually finish providing the deccign corp didn't actually renew the wardec? Thanks
Rapiar Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.08.13 23:44:00 - [2] You will get a corp wide concord evemail (just like the beginning of the war) when the dec'ing corp lets the dec lapse or cancels it. After that notice, there will be an additional 24 hrs where fighting is still legal. http://sigs.griefwatch.net/index.php?kb=RAPIAR&name=rapiar&template=icarus
Facist Pope	Posted - 2009.08.14 00:28:00 - [3] so if they dont pay it when would the mail actually be sent. is it 7 days from original mail or 7 days from actual start of the war?
Rapiar Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.08.14 00:34:00 - [4] I'm not positive. But I think it's 7 days from the actual beginning of the war. I assume you guys got decc'd and are holding up in station most of the time waiting for it to end? There are other options. http://sigs.griefwatch.net/index.php?kb=RAPIAR&name=rapiar&template=icarus
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.08.14 00:46:00 - [5] When they cancel/don't pay the warbill, you'll get a CONCORD evemail in Corp saying the war will end in 24 hours, iirc. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Facist Monk Caldari East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.14 12:48:00 - [6] ok, so we got a messgae from concord signallign the end of the war. it reads as follows Quote: CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai onvention. The war will be declared as beign over after approximatley 24 hours. Someone then commented that although they had paid for next week for the war to continue something had stopped them from carryign the war on. Does this mean they simply didnt pay for another week or what?
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.08.14 14:01:00 - [7] If that concord post mentions the "yulai thing", it means they didn't pay the upkeep.
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2009.08.18 16:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Facist Pope Edited by: Facist Pope on 13/08/2009 23:11:08 Ok so we recently got a wardec which has lasted 4 weeks i think it is atm However there is some confusion about what day it would actually stop The war was declared on a friday at 07:22 eve time, so it started on saturday at 07:22 When would the war actually finish providing the deccign corp didn't actually renew the wardec? Thanks How war decs work. A more experienced/larger corp decided randomly to grief a smaller/less experienced corp. So they declare war and pay concord to look the other way. So the more experienced corp then gets to PVP in hisec space against a corp who they have never had any contact with. This usually means the smaller corp loses a few ships, then they dock until the war is over or they all abandon the corp to get these aholes to leave them alone. Then the more experienced corp gets to feel good about how they killed a level one industrial ship with their tech 2 battleship, making their e-*** grow in their own minds. After a few weeks of this, the more experienced corp goes off to grief another less experienced corp because they got all the giggles this corp is going to provide them. And the less experienced corp gets a week or two to catch up on their TV watching and skill training....
Raven Miner	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:38:00 - [9] Or in my experience it kills a corp, coz everyone leaves or in some cases where people are being harassed by the PvP corp, players quit eve. EVE has lost 1000's of players to this, there should be an end to High Sec wars. Or some form of rating system to decide who you can and cannot war dec. I'm afraid to say i'll be soon to leave EVE as the little corp i run, has just had its second war dec in about 2 weeks and the first 1 hasn't even ended yet. We have lost, players and ships and eve has lost at least 2 players for good. High Sec wars are why eve can't keep up with WOW. If you wanna PvP, grow some nuts and go into Low Sec.
Raven Miner	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:38:00 - [10] Or in my experience it kills a corp, coz everyone leaves or in some cases where people are being harassed by the PvP corp, players quit eve. EVE has lost 1000's of players to this, there should be an end to High Sec wars. Or some form of rating system to decide who you can and cannot war dec. I'm afraid to say i'll be soon to leave EVE as the little corp i run, has just had its second war dec in about 2 weeks and the first 1 hasn't even ended yet. We have lost, players and ships and eve has lost at least 2 players for good. High Sec wars are why eve can't keep up with WOW. If you wanna PvP, grow some nuts and go into Low Sec.
Kurfin	Posted - 2009.08.18 22:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Raven Miner Or in my experience it kills a corp, coz everyone leaves or in some cases where people are being harassed by the PvP corp, players quit eve. EVE has lost 1000's of players to this, there should be an end to High Sec wars. Or some form of rating system to decide who you can and cannot war dec. I'm afraid to say i'll be soon to leave EVE as the little corp i run, has just had its second war dec in about 2 weeks and the first 1 hasn't even ended yet. We have lost, players and ships and eve has lost at least 2 players for good. High Sec wars are why eve can't keep up with WOW. If you wanna PvP, grow some nuts and go into Low Sec. Don't be too disheartened, war decs for small industrial corps are pretty rare. You've just got unlucky, once they're over you'll probably have 6 months or so of peace. There are a few tips to prevent repeat deccing; Don't undock unless you are sure you can mount a reasonable defence, no kills for their precious killboard and the aggressors will soon lose interest. Don't make any contact with the aggressor, they get off on it, again deny them what they are looking for. Once you get bigger and maybe get some pvp inclined players you can then fight back, but then again you probably won't get decced as they are looking for soft targets. One way around the wardec a.k.a pay to grief system is to drop members out of the corp, such as miners and haulers, into an NPC corp and drop minerals off to the manufacturing characters who you leave in corp but don't undock. It never hurts to have an NPC corp haulers or two anyway. You can maintain the corps social aspect by creating a private chat channel.
Darcon Kylote Terminal Impact	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Raven Miner Or in my experience it kills a corp, coz everyone leaves or in some cases where people are being harassed by the PvP corp, players quit eve. EVE has lost 1000's of players to this, there should be an end to High Sec wars. Or some form of rating system to decide who you can and cannot war dec. I'm afraid to say i'll be soon to leave EVE as the little corp i run, has just had its second war dec in about 2 weeks and the first 1 hasn't even ended yet. We have lost, players and ships and eve has lost at least 2 players for good. High Sec wars are why eve can't keep up with WOW. If you wanna PvP, grow some nuts and go into Low Sec. If someone can't get past this, then EvE is not the game for them. Why not embrace the wardec as a challenge and play the hand that's dealt? Organize your corp by joining a likeminded alliance where you can all share intel on war target's movements, learn to fit your ships to be able to move safely during war (blockade runners, warp stabs, inertia stabs, etc). Learn to run mining ops with scouts, use deadend pipeline systems, etc. If you can't be arsed to organize your corp to operate like this, then why did you start a corp? Why not just a chat channel for you and your friends to hang in while you all mine/rat/mission/trade in your respective NPC corps?
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.19 14:45:00 - [13] Wow if EVE has lost thousands of players due to the wardec mechanic then the player base must be growing at a very significant rate considering it is increasing year on year Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Darcon Kylote Originally by: Raven Miner Or in my experience it kills a corp, coz everyone leaves or in some cases where people are being harassed by the PvP corp, players quit eve. EVE has lost 1000's of players to this, there should be an end to High Sec wars. Or some form of rating system to decide who you can and cannot war dec. I'm afraid to say i'll be soon to leave EVE as the little corp i run, has just had its second war dec in about 2 weeks and the first 1 hasn't even ended yet. We have lost, players and ships and eve has lost at least 2 players for good. High Sec wars are why eve can't keep up with WOW. If you wanna PvP, grow some nuts and go into Low Sec. If someone can't get past this, then EvE is not the game for them. Why not embrace the wardec as a challenge and play the hand that's dealt? Organize your corp by joining a likeminded alliance where you can all share intel on war target's movements, learn to fit your ships to be able to move safely during war (blockade runners, warp stabs, inertia stabs, etc). Learn to run mining ops with scouts, use deadend pipeline systems, etc. If you can't be arsed to organize your corp to operate like this, then why did you start a corp? Why not just a chat channel for you and your friends to hang in while you all mine/rat/mission/trade in your respective NPC corps? Why should someone minding their own business in hisec space have to organize their corp any way other than the way they want to just because someone wants to conduct what amounts to the "Great Klingon Tribble War" on them for no reason? If they go to lowsec space, fine, but hisec should be safe for player to play and do what they want to do... Personally, I think those who want to war dec in hisec space are too scared themselves to go to lowsec space and try their crap down there...
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.08.19 19:26:00 - [15] Who ever said highsec should be safe? Whoever said anyone should be safe at all, this is a PVP game where you can (be forced to) interact with others. Digging your head in the sand and covering your ears doesn't make the bad men go away and it doesn't change the basis of the game. What you assume to be and what is fact seem to be 2 different things.
rand0 eastman Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.08.19 20:05:00 - [16] Edited by: rand0 eastman on 19/08/2009 20:06:34 Originally by: Mr Reason Who ever said highsec should be safe? Whoever said anyone should be safe at all, this is a PVP game where you can (be forced to) interact with others. Digging your head in the sand and covering your ears doesn't make the bad men go away and it doesn't change the basis of the game. What you assume to be and what is fact seem to be 2 different things. ding ding ding... weh av eh weeeener! there is an undue amount of butthurt in this thread. for every player lost because they cant sit grinding e-peen in high sec, there are many more who join the game because of this little factoid. lets face it the only reason a carebear wants isk is to by fancy e-peen crap to grind more money for more e-peen crap to grind money at a faster rate, bit like wow really. so you should praise these young entrepreneurs, taking the time to involve you in a whole new and fundamental side of the game you are paying to play, if nothing else it breaks the manotony but if you really cant handle pew pewing with some other peeps (and no it doesnt have to cost alot of money to have a laugh and give it a go) then it is time to re-evaluate your choice of game. edit: just cos i wanted to.
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.08.19 20:34:00 - [17] There is a difference between people who play somewhat differently because they want to and people who join a game, then find the gameplay/rules are different from what they wanted and then try to turn the game into THEIR game. Backing it up with silly, wrong and baseless 'facts'. The first I have no issue with, play as you want. The second is different, that's like starting to play soccer (cause it's fun) and then start lobbying to allow players to touch and throw the ball with their hands, coming up with ingenious (but flawed) excuses/reasoning to allow for it. It's SOCCER, if you want to use your hands go play something else!
Marcus Wolfwood Caldari Gekko Industries	Posted - 2009.08.19 20:52:00 - [18] After reading a lot of other posts here, the problem is, you got a****s who have been playing since game launch, and just cuz they are bored are WarDecing the players that have only been here for 6 months to a 1 year. And its not simply they will get bored and leave you alone eventually. They will repeat it as many times as they want. Now, i don't PvP, and have been wardeced more times than i remember, and i haven't even been in game for a full year yet! But, i still enjoy them. Especially when its another corp equal size and experience. And don't spout off about joining an Alliance, because no Alliance will join you with an active WarDec. Ive tried. I have to agree with the fact that those Older players that have been here since 2007 and are wardecing the newer corps, grow some ***** and go to Null Sec! If you really think your that Bad A i know of some good Russian space you can try and fly through! Let the newer players have a chance to enjoy the aspect of the game they chose. Not the aspect you like and FORCE on them. They pay to play too, and don't need you telling them how to play. @rand0 eastman and oh look you ARE one of those 2007 a****s so p* off!
rand0 eastman Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:03:00 - [19] lol, you took the time to search for my character in game, shame it doesnt tell you the whole story though does it. i have actually only been playing about a year as i have taken 2 breaks from the game due to real life commitments (uni study is more important), so i have just over a year in actual skill terms and less as game experience, as i have to keep relearning how to ride the bike as it were. you havent seemed to grasp that much like going to low or null has its dangers so does forming your own corp, thats a part of the game. it is not an exploit it is an intended and pivitol part of the game, if you dont like it then i suggest, as i already have, that you re asses your choice of game or stay in an npc corp. if however you must be in a player run corp then accept, much like other aspects of the game, that it has risks and stop f00king whining because you dont agree with one of the founding features of the game. not to hard to understand. Sig removed. Needs more EVE-related content. Zymurgist
Marcus Wolfwood Caldari Gekko Industries	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:42:00 - [20] i have no problem with WarDecs. I have a problem when experienced players stay in high sec wardecing newer players. just cuz they wont go into null sec. and i risk mining low-sec all the time. ive been popped in low-sec for no reason. that's the risk i take for the ore. but when my corp of mostly young players gets wardec repeatedly by the same group of players then yes i have a huge issue with that. and it IS exploiting an aspect of the game. either way you cut it, when you intentionally use a legit aspect of a game or software to cheat another from the PAID FOR enjoyment, it is an Exploit. now if two lowbie corps decided to wardec other lowbie corps, then guess what, deal with it. but when the gap in the two corps abilities are opposite ends of the bell curve, then there is a fundamental issue there that should be addressed. And regards to my comment about your play time, then for my misunderstanding i apologize.
rand0 eastman Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:55:00 - [21] so its quite alright so long as the fight is on your terms then, oh well pardon me i forgot this was a gentlemanly internet spaceship game and not a cruel sandbox world where there is no safe ground. im sorry but you sir are a massive hypocrite! if the same corp is constantly war deccing the same corp that is a form of harrasment and not something i would personally endorse and would suggest a petition be sent out but as for more experienced players having the advantage on the poor poor lowbies, age does in no way define intelligence nor wisdom and thus even the olders players in the game may have a superior skill base than those poor lowbies but it in no way means they have a bloody clue. your excuses are just that excuses! if they stopped hiding fitted up a few cheap ships and stop hiding behind these crappy excuses you consistently put out they would more than likely learn a hell of a lot about the game that they would never have without the war dec and may find that they really enjoy it, even if they dont enjoy it, they would still have experienced a part of the game bar turtling up and hoping it all goes away. Sig removed. Needs more EVE-related content. Zymurgist
rand0 eastman Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.08.19 22:04:00 - [22] Edited by: rand0 eastman on 19/08/2009 22:04:05 Originally by: Marcus Wolfwood either way you cut it, when you intentionally use a legit aspect of a game or software to cheat another from the PAID FOR enjoyment, it is an Exploit. they are paying for the game also, for the enjoyment of war decing high sec carebear corps. by your definition for wanting that to be stopped, is that not asking for an exploit. hypocrisy is not an easy thing to keep straight huh?! either way you cut it you are asking for special safe considerations (your definition of exploit) in a game that provides no safes and that is why this game has an ever increasing player base. good day sir! Sig removed. Needs more EVE-related content. Zymurgist
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.08.19 23:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Marcus Wolfwood Either way you cut it, when you intentionally use a legit aspect of a game or software to cheat another from the PAID FOR enjoyment, it is an Exploit. Stop stating your beliefs as facts.
Kigul	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:10:00 - [24] Im laughing out loud. Eve is not WoW it is not EQ2, Eve is Eve. I know many of pilots who have gone from carebear to serial killers, lived in high sec, low sec, and 0.0. rand0 eastman is spot on, in my opinion. The only ways not to get Wardeced is not to be in a corp. In most games you have to set a flag or goto an area to be flagged for PvP. In Eve its join a corp, you have now allowed yourself to possibly be flaged as a viable and legal pvp target. You want a sense of community and shiny corp hangar, ability to build a pos. They all come with risks, thats what makes Eve great. "Death" actualy means something in this game. If you cant get passed that, then its not the game for you. If you can overcome that and learn like all the "older" pilots. Make more friends, build relationships, get an alliance going with some low sec pirates who you in turn supply isk or materials to. Work out a business deal, this is Eve. Eve is imo 80% polotics and social networking to achieve goals. Lastly, have you just tried to offer them isk? say lie 5mil per members of your corp. 10man corp offer tem 50mil to go away and then ask to see if you could hire them in the future. Open your mind to ideas of how to work deals and make new contacts.
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:39:00 - [25] Originally by: rand0 eastman Edited by: rand0 eastman on 19/08/2009 22:04:05 Originally by: Marcus Wolfwood either way you cut it, when you intentionally use a legit aspect of a game or software to cheat another from the PAID FOR enjoyment, it is an Exploit. they are paying for the game also, for the enjoyment of war decing high sec carebear corps. by your definition for wanting that to be stopped, is that not asking for an exploit. hypocrisy is not an easy thing to keep straight huh?! either way you cut it you are asking for special safe considerations (your definition of exploit) in a game that provides no safes and that is why this game has an ever increasing player base. good day sir! Why are you in a NPC corp after over a year game time? Why arent you out there risking it all and getting wardeced with the rest of the players? Or are you be hypocritical of the war dec situation as you sit nice and safe in a NPC Corp?
zombeee Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.08.20 19:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Delenne Sheridan Why are you in a NPC corp after over a year game time? Why arent you out there risking it all and getting wardeced with the rest of the players? Or are you being hypocritical of the war dec situation as you sit nice and safe in a NPC Corp? He sits in a NPC corp because that's the way to avoid wardecs, DUH
Rellik B00n Lethal Death Squad	Posted - 2009.08.20 20:02:00 - [27] OP: 24 hours after the mail from concord about the breach of the yulai convention. Everyone else/whiney *****es: There are more ways to avoid a war-dec than i can count on both hands tbh. If you cant figure them out EvE is not for you. cruiser & rig BPOs LDS kb
Gustav Seriya	Posted - 2009.08.21 02:28:00 - [28] A few points, and sorry if I'm covering old territory... If you want to establish a corporation, most likely it's to further your profits. Eve is a great risk/reward game for the most part (we won't go into the lowsec argument...), therefore if you wish to work with like-minded individuals to get ahead, you must assume some risk. In hi-sec, that risk manifests itself as war declarations and ore thieves. Believe it or not, many of the empire bad-guys don't pick targets at random. A great portion of the time, you or someone in your corporation did something to attract attention. A great example of this is posting a whine in a forum. Watch discovery channel once in a while. There are predators and prey, carnivores and herbivores. Mining corporations with no warfare capabilities are not the lions, my friends. And I never saw the wildebeest TRY and attract attention. Keep your head low, don't make forum posts to attract attention to your lack of capability, and for crying out loud, keep your mouthy miners out of local. These forum posts are the equivalent to hanging a sign out saying "We can't defend ourselves, have no interest in trying to or learning how, and therefore we'll just fold and pay the ransom or quit EVE" This is not a direct shot at anyone, but people with no more sense than to attract unwanted attention to themselves and their corporations shouldn't be IN a corporation, much less leading one. Just an opinion. In closing, (the tl;dr line) it's my humble opinion that much of this agony and grief is brought upon yourselves.
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2009.08.21 13:33:00 - [29] Originally by: zombeee Originally by: Delenne Sheridan Why are you in a NPC corp after over a year game time? Why arent you out there risking it all and getting wardeced with the rest of the players? Or are you being hypocritical of the war dec situation as you sit nice and safe in a NPC Corp? He sits in a NPC corp because that's the way to avoid wardecs, DUH Thus my claim of him/her being a hypocrit is correct...
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.08.21 13:39:00 - [30] Originally by: Delenne Sheridan Edited by: Delenne Sheridan on 20/08/2009 19:44:11 Originally by: rand0 eastman Edited by: rand0 eastman on 19/08/2009 22:04:05 Originally by: Marcus Wolfwood either way you cut it, when you intentionally use a legit aspect of a game or software to cheat another from the PAID FOR enjoyment, it is an Exploit. they are paying for the game also, for the enjoyment of war decing high sec carebear corps. by your definition for wanting that to be stopped, is that not asking for an exploit. hypocrisy is not an easy thing to keep straight huh?! either way you cut it you are asking for special safe considerations (your definition of exploit) in a game that provides no safes and that is why this game has an ever increasing player base. good day sir! Why are you in a NPC corp after over a year game time? Why arent you out there risking it all and getting wardeced with the rest of the players? Or are you being hypocritical of the war dec situation as you sit nice and safe in a NPC Corp? I'm gonna go with "posting alt", did that not occur to you?

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