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Flistir
Doctrine.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:09:00 -
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The very best part of the EVE is that you need to take risks to succeed. Don't let it scare you away, getting back up after being knocked down is part of the charm.
ISK not spent towards getting something blown up - you or someone else - is ISK poorly spent. At first, it'll mostly be your wrecks floating through space. Eventually, you'll leave some other poor bastard floating there in his pod. Then you lean back and can't help but to smile. :) |
Salem Aurilen
You Sunk My Battleship
5
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:12:00 -
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Cael Sunder wrote:So I've played a couple MMO's before mainly WoW. (Also SW tor and Rift) I've always read about how crazy Eve is and all that even my own father got into the game and I remember him telling me all these crazy stories. Like I said I was playing WoW so I wasn't interested.
Anyways, Eve is on sale on Steme for 7 dollars so I decided what the heck I'll try it. So I'm in the first hour or two in the game and I just cruise by a huge burning planet and my jaw drops. I immediately turn to my gf who's playing my Diablo account while I play Eve and have to show her. It looks gorgeous!
So I keep playing and playing slowly learning things about the game. How to do this or that and I do my first probe scan thing. When I finally got it down it felt awesome! I first looked on youtube then got some help from the incredible community.Which as you can tell WoW doesn't have. Anyways on to my point. Is there a safe way to play this game? I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. So guys, what tips or stories do you have about when you first started playing?
Don't die, death is awful instead do everything you can to tip the odd's of the fight in your favour and when things don't work out to always have a get-out plan and for when that plan is put on halt by the arrival of a Rapier/Arazu on grid then you do everything in your power to die kicking and screaming firing at everything you can and making your death as unpleasant to the enemy as you can before you go down or the falcon jam's you (For moments like those you have local smacktalk) and when you finally do die then reship and do it all over again.
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Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
85
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:19:00 -
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Hi Cael Sunder.
Dont fear death in game or ship lose, since 5-6 years i lose more than 8.000.000.000isk and belive me this is small amount of money if i compare real pvpr to my self because im noob who pvp only on occasion, wins an loses are part of this game however losing ships are bad expirence try avoid this :D
First rule "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose"
Second rule. Kept your clone upgraded above curent skill points.
Dont try undersand all things about this game at once, this is impossible, even people who play 5-9 years still discovery this game and they dont know how it works... Take eve easy, made small step before jumping to another eve aspect.
GL |
Myzmar Gnacius
Viziam
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:20:00 -
[34] - Quote
Also find some people from your country/timezone. EvE players tend to gather together in a national/regiona groups sometimes, perhaps that would make you more comfortable in the beginning. Then, go wherever you want, with whoever you want. Oh and yeah, don't worry about loosing the ships or even pod. It's a part of the game. Game on! :) |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
290
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:22:00 -
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I have to echo most of the advice in this thread. Dont be afraid of losing your ship now and again. Its a helpful thing, no matter what you do in this game, to get used to losing.
That said, also try a little bit of everything. Figure out your niche. Is it going to be running endless missions in hi-sec? Mining? exploration? Small-fleet combat? Getting into a giant Null-sec alliance and joining the sov-wars?
Theres a lot of things to do in EVE, and only about 10% of it is in hi-sec.
If you're looking to join the roleplaying angle, give me a message in game! Im usually up to chat with some newbies. |
Gath'ran Gammigan
Collaborative Arts Incorporated
16
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:23:00 -
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Welcome to EVE Online - one of the few gaming communities where the developers care enough about the newer players that they will occasionally throw up links to these forums on the login pages - just so you can get some advice from us :)
Don't be afraid of EVE. Everything is a learning experience, even death. It can be a hard transition from conventional MMOs where the sense of loss is heavily diminished. EVE makes you feel you losses... but that does not mean you cannot be the master of them.
I sincerely hope you get to encounter and encourage PVP to it's fullest.
The first time I died in EVE, I had accidentally wandered into low security space and was mining in my little Destroyer when I was murdered by a Loki (vastly outgunned but meh!).
The first time I went out looking for a fight, I died because I accidentally attacked a jumpgate, causing it's defensive guns to strafe me with violence (I failed hard!)
Yesterday, I led a fleet of 150 pilots as we ravaged another fleet and killed a dozen of their capital ships.
The longer you keep at it, the more you learn, and the better you get. :) |
Lord Regent
Northstar Cabal
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:24:00 -
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Cael Sunder wrote:So I've played a couple MMO's before mainly WoW. (Also SW tor and Rift) I've always read about how crazy Eve is and all that even my own father got into the game and I remember him telling me all these crazy stories. Like I said I was playing WoW so I wasn't interested.
Anyways, Eve is on sale on Steme for 7 dollars so I decided what the heck I'll try it. So I'm in the first hour or two in the game and I just cruise by a huge burning planet and my jaw drops. I immediately turn to my gf who's playing my Diablo account while I play Eve and have to show her. It looks gorgeous!
So I keep playing and playing slowly learning things about the game. How to do this or that and I do my first probe scan thing. When I finally got it down it felt awesome! I first looked on youtube then got some help from the incredible community.Which as you can tell WoW doesn't have. Anyways on to my point. Is there a safe way to play this game? I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. So guys, what tips or stories do you have about when you first started playing?
1.) NEVER TRUST ANYONE YOU DON'T KNOW. Scamming is 100% legal in this game, and they prey on "newbs" (which you are and will be for at least a month or two. Double/Triple your money adverts in the local channel are ALWAYS A SCAM. ALWAYS. NEVER TRUST ANYONE. Need I say it again? also, NEVER TRADE SHIPS IN THE TRADE WINDOW! It can appear that a ship is a much more valuable version, when in fact it isn't. always use contracts or the market.
2.) Join EVE universityhttp://www.eveuniversity.org/, or if you want to get right into fighting other players consider RvB http://rvbeve.com/forums/ join a player corp ASAP, friends are your friend in eve... don't stay in noobcorps/npc corps. also, DO NOT JOIN THE FIRST CORP THAT TRIES TO GET YOU. join the corp that YOU want to join. If they're desperate for you, don't be flattered, be suspicious as to their quality.
3.) Eve can get you down, if you get "ganked" in a prize ship, so to avoid that, don't fly something you can't afford to lose... stay relatively liquid (ISK instead of tons of ships)
4.) Evemail me if you have any questions, I'd be happy to help you out. Also, I'll send you 10 million ISK, just because I can :D
Sincerely,-á
Lord Regent. |
Muskaos
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:30:00 -
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I'm disappointed in you guys. A new pilot post without mentioning the eve learning curve picture?
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/eve-learning-curve.jpg
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Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
85
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:30:00 -
[39] - Quote
Gath'ran Gammigan wrote:Welcome to EVE Online - one of the few gaming communities where the developers care enough about the newer players that they will occasionally throw up links to these forums on the login pages - just so you can get some advice from us :)
As old player i cant care about every newbi, i cant track every rooki system every topic, and every local, here enought people in rooki chat to help them, even we dont get acces for rooki chanels i mean old players, fact devs are responding for this. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
167
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:38:00 -
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Quote:Is there a safe way to play this game? No, but that's the great part about Eve. Anything you do (staying docked in itself doesn't count, because you aren't doing anything) has a risk to it. What fun would there be if there wasn't risk? The safest things you can do are probably staying in NPC corps and moving market orders or running missions. After a time though these aren't really fun, there's no risk  I recommend getting some experiance in PvP from Agony Unleashed or Red vs Blue and then move into a wormhole/lowsec/0.0 alliance
Quote:I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. So guys, what tips or stories do you have about when you first started playing?
I had a hard time starting out too. I dabbled in 0.0, lowsec, and wormholes, but generally did PvE in those areas anyway because I was so horrible at PvP. Eventually you're just going to have to accept that you're horrible at it until you practice and get better, which means getting out there and doing it.
Like I said above, try some Agony Unleashed classes to get you started and maybe join something like Red vs Blue, which seems pretty polite as far as pvp standards go. Once you get used to that move up to something more serious, if you feel like it. |
Maximus Hashur
Free Kandee
IDENTITY UNKN0WN
3
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:38:00 -
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Abbadon21 wrote:I understand how you feel... I felt that way when I started to. But the above posts are correct, if you want to do PVP you need to get over the fear of dying. Remind your self it's a game and get out and take risks.
PVP is the best part of EVE, the excitement and thrills of fights are unmatched by any other game.
Ive been following this guy and he has a **** load of good advice on his website. once i decided i didnt care about dying i got out into nullsec and have started having alot more fun. You will burn out from boredom if you dont explore and go fighting like you have a pair. Its fine if you want to stay in high sec and be safe, but ill tell you when you get that first rush of your first engagement and you pop becuase your camera is zoomed all the way in , you forgot to start your damage control and never even locked the guy shooting you, you'll understand the attraction. As you get into more engaugements youll start to develop your cool and learn a mechanical set of steps to take for a given situation. Im 6 months in and only really started getting out there in the past 2 months.
CHECK THESE OUT
DOTLAN Great site for maps you can keep up on a second monitor if your have dual monitor capability. Good for deciding quickly which gate you want to go to next without having to bring up the starmap (thats if your free roaming and have not already plotted a roam on your autopilot)
EVE CENTRAL Place where you can view any type of module, commodity, ship ETC to compare the different prices from region to region. Your market button will only show the region your physically in so just short of flipping between alt characters that you plant in Jita, Amarr, Dodixie....the trade hubs, this is the best option for searching out that buy low, sell high senario to make isk.
EVELOPEDIA Main reference page. You can find most things in here if you have questions of what something is.
LOADOUTS You will want to get into this and check out the loadouts others have posted so you can get a good idea of how you want to fit a ship. By no means are the loadouts on here the best as a rule, but they are a good starting point and more times than not you will find a fitting for your ship that you can use.
KILLBOARD You can check out other pilots you meet in EvE. I would highly recommend this step before engaging someone. Check out the person and see his kill/loss rations. Also check his "employment history" when you bring up his profile. The first entry at the bottom will show his start date. Normally if you see someone whose a 2007 character they will have the skills and the experience to kick your ass. THIS IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE but it is a good thing to consider. My kill/loss record is not so good right now because im learning and dont care but as i go i get better and better.
These are some of the things ive learned and so far im having a good time. |
Angela Spears
Black Adder Dynamic
Broken Toys
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:42:00 -
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Welcome to Eve. Great game where time invested is never wasted since skills are always being trained, or should be.
The path I've taken, I've got two accounts, one for mining and pvp, and the other for pve and hauling. While i haven't yet gotten to the extremes of one aspect of the game, I've found that dabbling in them all keeps things really fresh. Yes, my approach takes a long time to master anything, but I feel like i'm seeing as much as I can. |
Maximus Hashur
Free Kandee
IDENTITY UNKN0WN
3
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:44:00 -
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Here is a great example of how you make yourself a big target in high-sec. *Yes, that is me in my early game days*
Damn a PLEX was worth almost 2B back then!!! Sad its only 1/5 that now. |
Raizek Katelo
Reprisal.
Infernal Creations
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:48:00 -
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Just want to point out that i am new as well and I've had nothing but great training. The community in this game is seriously one of the best. I too love to pvp and it's a whooooole 'nother level here. What I've learned is that pvp becomes a lot more fun when you find a ship you are GOOD IN. Mess around with t1 frigates and head down to low sec ( sysyems with secruity statuses BELOW .5). Of course you want to finish the tutorial missions first but after that seriously look into player corporations. The game gets better along the way. Always train and try to get as much ISK as you can cuz no matter what you WILL die here lol. |
Zomgnomnom
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:53:00 -
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I'm amazed no one has trolled this yet :P
These are 5 rules that were given to me when I started the game about 2 years ago.
Rule 1.
Never, never, NEVER, EVER trust anyone in Goon. For any reason. Ever. NO REALLY, EVER. I'm sure there are some decent people there but dealing with them is similar to playing Russian Roulette with 5 barrels loaded.
Rule 2.
If its in Jita local, it's a scam.
Rule 3.
Dont fly what you cant afford to lose. ( as someone said earlier. Dont fly what you cant afford to lose repeatedly.)
Rule 4.
You are never really safe if you aren't docked.
Rule 5.
If your going down, take someone with you.
Eve uni and Red Vs Blue are also great places to learn. Look them up.
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Jingo Valon
InterSun Freelance
Moon Warriors
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:59:00 -
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Cael,
I see a LOT of very excellent advice here, and I'm hoping you'll put at least some of it to good use. You'll find that Eve really isn't a very nice place at times, which is just the way it is....but....you will meet sooooo many wonderful people here, and they are always willing to help out a new player. I've been playing for many years and I too was afraid to lose my first ship, but once it happened, all those feeling just evaporated and I was off like a shot...lol. Someone said to pick a path and go for it, find something you really like to do, but also don't be afraid to branch out. By continuing to read the forums and checking other sites that have been provided in others posts to you, you'll be able to figure out a way to make ISK that appeals to you, fit a couple backup ships and just have fun.
One last point and I'm outta here, don't let the trolls or the asshats ingame get you down, just ignore them and go on....we ALL were 'noobs' at one point !! =)
Good luck to you and I do hope you find Eve as enjoyable as myself and so many others do.  |
Shalazan
Aces 'N' Eights
Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:06:00 -
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1. If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you may have misjudged the situation.
2. Remember: pillage, THEN burn.
3. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more, no less.
4. When the going gets tough, the tough call for titans.
5. There is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "reload".
6. Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.
7. If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush.
8. Try to look unimportant; the enemy may be low on ammo and not want to waste it shooting you.
9. When in doubt, F1-F8.
10. For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
11. Fair fights don't exist. There's always an edge. If you don't have it you probably think its a fair fight,
Helpful advice for eve. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
Ethereal Dawn
217
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:08:00 -
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Maximus Hashur wrote:Here is a great example of how you make yourself a big target in high-sec. *Yes, that is me in my early game days* Damn a PLEX was worth almost 2B back then!!! Sad its only 1/5 that now.
That's me, and look again, it was 4 PLEX, means 500mil each.
Still don't care that I lost that, it was a hell of a learning experience.
And WOW, you made it to the log in screen. Now that is one hell of an EVE entrance for a new player.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
PHIONIX DARKANGEL
HEAVEN'S DEATH DEALER'S
V.I.R.A.L.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:15:00 -
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I have played eve since 2004 I have played as a - 10 security risk player and now I am back to being a + 5 one thing I have learned in this game if you play smart you wont loose to much that you can not go on, the thing is if you become to worried about wether you are going to die in a game it is time to stop playing, I recommend finding friends you can depend on to help you build back up if every thing goes wrong and remember it is just a game peace friend.  |
PHIONIX DARKANGEL
HEAVEN'S DEATH DEALER'S
V.I.R.A.L.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:15:00 -
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PHIONIX DARKANGEL wrote:I have played eve since 2004 I have played as a - 10 security risk player and now I am back to being a + 5 one thing I have learned in this game if you play smart you wont loose to much that you can not go on, the thing is if you become to worried about wether you are going to die in a game it is time to stop playing, I recommend finding friends you can depend on to help you build back up if every thing goes wrong and remember it is just a game peace friend.
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Dengen Krastinov
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
2
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:17:00 -
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Take it slow and make friends. Flying with friends is what makes this game enjoyable. You will learn the odds and ends through experiencing the game with people you like playing with.
When you get comfortable with the game enough to step out of your comfort zone a little check out EvE University.
If you find that living dangerously in low sec/ null is more to your liking check out Sniggwaffe. > Join Sniggwaffe (in game channel). |
Drinoch
Kaotic Intentions
Cold Hand of Shadow
5
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:22:00 -
[52] - Quote
All of the above advise is good...albeit a bit redundent. It honestly has been a long time since i experianced a spark of excitement in a fight but i do remember it...The simple reality is you will loose ships in this game, especially in the begining. You may not even loose it to PVP, you may loose it to NPC's. The trick is not to get upset over loosing a ship...you should be upset over not killing your oponent.
Tears are the greatest thing you can collect in eve. There is nothing more pleasurable then listening to the barrage of excuses on why someone failed. You have gotten pretty much all the advise that anyone could ever want when it comes to how to start PVPing in EVE, but keep in mind 2 simple things... 1) Dieing means nothingin eve other then a loss of some pixels and tbh we suicide gank all the time...2) Tears are always worth the loss ALWAYS |
Akatenshi Xi
Elite Shadow Society
ESS Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:25:00 -
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Cael Sunder wrote:So I've played a couple MMO's before mainly WoW. (Also SW tor and Rift) I've always read about how crazy Eve is and all that even my own father got into the game and I remember him telling me all these crazy stories. Like I said I was playing WoW so I wasn't interested.
Anyways, Eve is on sale on Steme for 7 dollars so I decided what the heck I'll try it. So I'm in the first hour or two in the game and I just cruise by a huge burning planet and my jaw drops. I immediately turn to my gf who's playing my Diablo account while I play Eve and have to show her. It looks gorgeous!
So I keep playing and playing slowly learning things about the game. How to do this or that and I do my first probe scan thing. When I finally got it down it felt awesome! I first looked on youtube then got some help from the incredible community.Which as you can tell WoW doesn't have. Anyways on to my point. Is there a safe way to play this game? I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. So guys, what tips or stories do you have about when you first started playing?
Get out while you can. If you are brave enough however, be prepared for a game full of scammers, griefers, and others with bad intentions just waiting for a day one noob to take advantage of. |
Dengen Krastinov
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
2
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:25:00 -
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Oh and get out there and lose rifters. Repeatedly. Dying is the best way to learn PvP in EvE Online.
[Rifter, t1 cheap]
Gyrostabilizer I
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Small Armor Repairer I
Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier I
1MN Afterburner I
200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
Rocket Launcher I, Mjolnir Rocket
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Skill books you will need (might already have them so check):
Small Projectile Turret I
Gunnery I
Missile Launcher Operation I
Afterburner I
Propulsion Jamming I
Repair Systems I
Mechanics I
Hull Upgrades II
Weapon Upgrades I
Easily trainable in less than a day. Good luck and go out there and kill things! Believe me you will love PvP. The hard part is starting. Once you feel the adrenaline of battle you'll never look back :)
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
178
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:27:00 -
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Take a new player ship to a high population, low sec system. Undock it and watch it explode. Roam the belts, explore the nearby systems, watch it explode, alot.
Do this in many systems, do it all before you break that 900K SP mark.
Set medical clone in low sec, in systems near where you want to launch from.
The hardest part of EVE is letting go of the idea you can win. Once you do, you embrace the idea of getting better at EVE. From there it becomes more than losing noob ships but it must start with losing ships. You can't damage control if you don't understand the damage done. Losing ships isn't as severe as you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Ghola Scytale
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
+1 Look into RvB or Eve University are great ways to learn how to pvp/ pve
Dont fly ships bigger than you should. Master a rifter before going to a cruiser ect. A good way to judge is if you dont have a full t2 fit then wait. You would be amazed what a can be done in a t1 frig in the right setting.
Learn to choose your fights very carefully. This is a game were u loose or run more times than you win no matter what.
Learn that this is a game of risk assessment. Learn when to risk a cheap ship for the chance of a big kill. Some of my biggest victories ended in my victims friends killing me. So long as you come out ahead in points or isk your winning. Just like in real fights even the winner comes out with some losses.
Never fly what you cant aford to loose.
When you first start out plex and then dont go crazy. 1 plex should keep you in t2 fit rfters for a while.
Always message the guy who kills you and ask for tips. some of my best friends in game or best tips i ever got were from someone who just killed me. |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
OP - You will die, it's just part of what makes this game exiting. Don't worry about it. Just don't quit, keep going. EVE online is awesome! No game like it. If you like pvp, look into the Red versus Blue (RvB) EVE alliance or Faction Warfare (FW). Also, DUST 514 is coming (a FPS kind of connected to/part of our EVE universe in Beta now) and is going to also be awesome! You lucked into a great time to become part of the win that is EVE online! EVE is incredibly harsh but SO much fun! Just don't quit. Welcome! |
Nausicah Sion
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:40:00 -
[58] - Quote
Welcome to Eve
And congrats on making me take note and have the urge to post for the first time on this forum.
Yet I am happy your getting sage advice from its populous.
P.S.
Eve is populated with all types of players and play styles.
Get cloaking or "Somebody's going to get hurt real bad" |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
Caldari State
222
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:49:00 -
[59] - Quote
Why was this thread highlighted in the advertisement screen on EVE?
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S179-276SP
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:53:00 -
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When i first brought my best mate into the game all those years back ..... i gave him the oppertunity to earn some isk with a small mining outfit i'd set up. I lent him an imicus and he worked hard mining ores untill he had enough to buy his own imicus. I was working from a different race cruiser (this was way before mining barges) .... when i thought he was well on the road to surviving on his own (still his first day) I suggested that we swap ships so that he could have a look at the ship I was in, knowing full well that he couldnt fly my ship. We both ejected and i boarded his ship whilst he tried to board mine and failed.
I set the self destruct on his ship and ejected and got back into mine and he did the same ...  I then told him that id set the self destruct and that he had to cancel it by selecting it twice more in the confusion ... his ship blew up and i podded him...
That lesson was "trust no-one"  |
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