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Lilight
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Posted - 2003.06.23 02:49:00 -
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Does anyone know if there's any plans for an linux client? I think it would be great, because alot of people are sick of windows and its unstability.
/Lilight
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Lilight
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Posted - 2003.06.23 02:49:00 -
[2]
Does anyone know if there's any plans for an linux client? I think it would be great, because alot of people are sick of windows and its unstability.
/Lilight
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Lilight
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2003.06.23 02:49:00 -
[3]
Does anyone know if there's any plans for an linux client? I think it would be great, because alot of people are sick of windows and its unstability.
/Lilight
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Lilight
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2003.06.23 02:49:00 -
[4]
Does anyone know if there's any plans for an linux client? I think it would be great, because alot of people are sick of windows and its unstability.
/Lilight
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Doctor One
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Posted - 2003.06.23 10:27:00 -
[5]
I'd like to see a Linux client as well, but more than that, I'd like them to move their servers off of Windows 2000. Those of us that know better, know what I am talking about.
We are in the middle of migrating to Linux at work. Because of the speed and stability of Linux, we also figured that we are saving our company from 50 to 178 million dollars because we don't have to buy additional hardware and licenses to do the same amount of work.
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Doctor One
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Posted - 2003.06.23 10:27:00 -
[6]
I'd like to see a Linux client as well, but more than that, I'd like them to move their servers off of Windows 2000. Those of us that know better, know what I am talking about.
We are in the middle of migrating to Linux at work. Because of the speed and stability of Linux, we also figured that we are saving our company from 50 to 178 million dollars because we don't have to buy additional hardware and licenses to do the same amount of work.
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Proud member of Harbinger Heavy Industries
"Dont run... you'll just die tired!" |
Doctor One
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2003.06.23 10:27:00 -
[7]
I'd like to see a Linux client as well, but more than that, I'd like them to move their servers off of Windows 2000. Those of us that know better, know what I am talking about.
We are in the middle of migrating to Linux at work. Because of the speed and stability of Linux, we also figured that we are saving our company from 50 to 178 million dollars because we don't have to buy additional hardware and licenses to do the same amount of work.
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Proud member of Harbinger Heavy Industries
"Dont run... you'll just die tired!" |
Doctor One
Gallente
Feral Tendency
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Posted - 2003.06.23 10:27:00 -
[8]
I'd like to see a Linux client as well, but more than that, I'd like them to move their servers off of Windows 2000. Those of us that know better, know what I am talking about.
We are in the middle of migrating to Linux at work. Because of the speed and stability of Linux, we also figured that we are saving our company from 50 to 178 million dollars because we don't have to buy additional hardware and licenses to do the same amount of work.
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Proud member of Harbinger Heavy Industries
"Dont run... you'll just die tired!" |
Conception
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Posted - 2003.06.23 13:39:00 -
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it's always the same... linux vs windows.
but i am sure u know how much a migration costs from win to linux.
i am admin @ daimlerchrysler AG (real-life too) and we have more than 400 000 users and more pcd's in our domains... can u imagine that we SAFE money while using mainly windows...
we have enough bugs atm in win version... and definitly no bugged linux version needed. maybe in 2 years if the game is bugfree.
Mit freundlichen Gr³Żen / with kind regards
Conception |
Conception
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Posted - 2003.06.23 13:39:00 -
[10]
it's always the same... linux vs windows.
but i am sure u know how much a migration costs from win to linux.
i am admin @ daimlerchrysler AG (real-life too) and we have more than 400 000 users and more pcd's in our domains... can u imagine that we SAFE money while using mainly windows...
we have enough bugs atm in win version... and definitly no bugged linux version needed. maybe in 2 years if the game is bugfree.
Mit freundlichen GrnŻen / with kind regards
Conception |
Conception
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2003.06.23 13:39:00 -
[11]
it's always the same... linux vs windows.
but i am sure u know how much a migration costs from win to linux.
i am admin @ daimlerchrysler AG (real-life too) and we have more than 400 000 users and more pcd's in our domains... can u imagine that we SAFE money while using mainly windows...
we have enough bugs atm in win version... and definitly no bugged linux version needed. maybe in 2 years if the game is bugfree.
Mit freundlichen GrnŻen / with kind regards
Conception |
Conception
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2003.06.23 13:39:00 -
[12]
it's always the same... linux vs windows.
but i am sure u know how much a migration costs from win to linux.
i am admin @ daimlerchrysler AG (real-life too) and we have more than 400 000 users and more pcd's in our domains... can u imagine that we SAFE money while using mainly windows...
we have enough bugs atm in win version... and definitly no bugged linux version needed. maybe in 2 years if the game is bugfree.
Mit freundlichen GrnŻen / with kind regards
Conception |
BSOD
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Posted - 2003.06.23 13:55:00 -
[13]
Linux client - Would be nice, but it'll be a LONG time if ever. CCP has too many other things on their plate.
Move to Linux for servers - Finally, we'd be able to avoid that stupid daily reboot.
DaimlerChrysler - BAH. Damn idiots at Daimler have been destroying everything good about Chrysler. Merger my #$@*)#$@*, more like takeover. Every car that has come out of Chrysler since the merger has been utter crud. HEY, let's invest in Mitsubishi, whom Chrysler spent 5+ years trying to distance themselves away from after nightmares like the oil-burning 3.0V6 and the head-*****ing 2.6L 4-cyl. HEY, let's put the A604, the most unreliable transmission in Chrysler history, into MORE cars and ax all the other options!
(Disgruntled former Chrysler customer - All of my cars are pre-merger Chryslers, but I have no intentions of buying a new Chrysler...)
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Blue Screen of Death
CEO
Exodus Enterprises |
BSOD
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Posted - 2003.06.23 13:55:00 -
[14]
Linux client - Would be nice, but it'll be a LONG time if ever. CCP has too many other things on their plate.
Move to Linux for servers - Finally, we'd be able to avoid that stupid daily reboot.
DaimlerChrysler - BAH. Damn idiots at Daimler have been destroying everything good about Chrysler. Merger my #$@*)#$@*, more like takeover. Every car that has come out of Chrysler since the merger has been utter crud. HEY, let's invest in Mitsubishi, whom Chrysler spent 5+ years trying to distance themselves away from after nightmares like the oil-burning 3.0V6 and the head-*****ing 2.6L 4-cyl. HEY, let's put the A604, the most unreliable transmission in Chrysler history, into MORE cars and ax all the other options!
(Disgruntled former Chrysler customer - All of my cars are pre-merger Chryslers, but I have no intentions of buying a new Chrysler...)
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Blue Screen of Death
CEO
Exodus Enterprises |
BSOD
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2003.06.23 13:55:00 -
[15]
Linux client - Would be nice, but it'll be a LONG time if ever. CCP has too many other things on their plate.
Move to Linux for servers - Finally, we'd be able to avoid that stupid daily reboot.
DaimlerChrysler - BAH. Damn idiots at Daimler have been destroying everything good about Chrysler. Merger my #$@*)#$@*, more like takeover. Every car that has come out of Chrysler since the merger has been utter crud. HEY, let's invest in Mitsubishi, whom Chrysler spent 5+ years trying to distance themselves away from after nightmares like the oil-burning 3.0V6 and the head-*****ing 2.6L 4-cyl. HEY, let's put the A604, the most unreliable transmission in Chrysler history, into MORE cars and ax all the other options!
(Disgruntled former Chrysler customer - All of my cars are pre-merger Chryslers, but I have no intentions of buying a new Chrysler...)
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Blue Screen of Death
CEO
Exodus Enterprises |
BSOD
Gallente
Calista Industries
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Posted - 2003.06.23 13:55:00 -
[16]
Linux client - Would be nice, but it'll be a LONG time if ever. CCP has too many other things on their plate.
Move to Linux for servers - Finally, we'd be able to avoid that stupid daily reboot.
DaimlerChrysler - BAH. Damn idiots at Daimler have been destroying everything good about Chrysler. Merger my #$@*)#$@*, more like takeover. Every car that has come out of Chrysler since the merger has been utter crud. HEY, let's invest in Mitsubishi, whom Chrysler spent 5+ years trying to distance themselves away from after nightmares like the oil-burning 3.0V6 and the head-*****ing 2.6L 4-cyl. HEY, let's put the A604, the most unreliable transmission in Chrysler history, into MORE cars and ax all the other options!
(Disgruntled former Chrysler customer - All of my cars are pre-merger Chryslers, but I have no intentions of buying a new Chrysler...)
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Blue Screen of Death
CEO
Exodus Enterprises |
Lithorus
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Posted - 2003.06.23 18:29:00 -
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Of all the questionable decisions this is the one that has puzzled me the most. How can ANYONE in their right mind decide on windows being the best server platform for a clustering based server system?
Ofcourse the time for switching OS is already over, but when evaluating on server stability and uptime, migrating to linux would be a very reasonable solution.
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Lithorus
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Posted - 2003.06.23 18:29:00 -
[18]
Of all the questionable decisions this is the one that has puzzled me the most. How can ANYONE in their right mind decide on windows being the best server platform for a clustering based server system?
Ofcourse the time for switching OS is already over, but when evaluating on server stability and uptime, migrating to linux would be a very reasonable solution.
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Lithorus
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2003.06.23 18:29:00 -
[19]
Of all the questionable decisions this is the one that has puzzled me the most. How can ANYONE in their right mind decide on windows being the best server platform for a clustering based server system?
Ofcourse the time for switching OS is already over, but when evaluating on server stability and uptime, migrating to linux would be a very reasonable solution.
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Lithorus
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2003.06.23 18:29:00 -
[20]
Of all the questionable decisions this is the one that has puzzled me the most. How can ANYONE in their right mind decide on windows being the best server platform for a clustering based server system?
Ofcourse the time for switching OS is already over, but when evaluating on server stability and uptime, migrating to linux would be a very reasonable solution.
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Ra'Wyrm Dracoz
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Posted - 2003.06.23 18:35:00 -
[21]
It could all be because of one thing:
Knowledge, or lack of it...
I can program for DirectX and Windows, but I don't know squat about coding for linux, nor do I have any interest in learning.
Could be the same, with the exception that they don't have the time to learn, or the budget to hire in more ppl to work on a linux-server system.
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Ra'Wyrm Dracoz
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Posted - 2003.06.23 18:35:00 -
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It could all be because of one thing:
Knowledge, or lack of it...
I can program for DirectX and Windows, but I don't know squat about coding for linux, nor do I have any interest in learning.
Could be the same, with the exception that they don't have the time to learn, or the budget to hire in more ppl to work on a linux-server system.
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In this game, "nice" puts no food on the table... |
Ra'Wyrm Dracoz
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2003.06.23 18:35:00 -
[23]
It could all be because of one thing:
Knowledge, or lack of it...
I can program for DirectX and Windows, but I don't know squat about coding for linux, nor do I have any interest in learning.
Could be the same, with the exception that they don't have the time to learn, or the budget to hire in more ppl to work on a linux-server system.
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In this game, "nice" puts no food on the table... |
Ra'Wyrm Dracoz
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2003.06.23 18:35:00 -
[24]
It could all be because of one thing:
Knowledge, or lack of it...
I can program for DirectX and Windows, but I don't know squat about coding for linux, nor do I have any interest in learning.
Could be the same, with the exception that they don't have the time to learn, or the budget to hire in more ppl to work on a linux-server system.
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In this game, "nice" puts no food on the table... |
BSOD
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Posted - 2003.06.23 19:55:00 -
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Yeah, except that a large portion of the game is coded in Python, which is a crossplatform scripting language.
One that happens to have been developed originally for Unix systems, and later ported over to Windows, and just like Perl, is more robust and bugfree under Unix than in Windows to this day.
In general, Windows clustering is a joke... If it weren't, then why are all the major supercomputing clusters in the world running some form of Unix? (Often Linux). CCP almost surely had to "roll their own" clustering scheme, whereas Linux has a number of approaches to doing it at the OS level. (MOSIX would work very well for something like CCP's servers, as it makes the cluster appear like one giant machine to the programmer, who does not have to deal with any of the clustering aspects. Processes are automatically migrated between nodes as the load dictates.)
I once saw a review indicating that each node handled .5% of the EVE universe, which means that the server cluster is on the order of 200 machines. That's 200 GUIs worth of resource waste if they're using Windows.
Repeat after me: GUIs are a waste of resources on a server. GUIs are a waste of resources on a server...
Remote administration of the cluster must be hell... None of Microsoft's pitiful remote access schemes can compare to the simplicity and elegance of SSH.
Running Windows also ruled out some of the current premier clustering solutions such as an IBM zSeries mainframe or eServer 1350 blade clusters.
Edited by: BSOD on 23/06/2003 20:07:20
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Blue Screen of Death
CEO
Exodus Enterprises |
BSOD
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Posted - 2003.06.23 19:55:00 -
[26]
Yeah, except that a large portion of the game is coded in Python, which is a crossplatform scripting language.
One that happens to have been developed originally for Unix systems, and later ported over to Windows, and just like Perl, is more robust and bugfree under Unix than in Windows to this day.
In general, Windows clustering is a joke... If it weren't, then why are all the major supercomputing clusters in the world running some form of Unix? (Often Linux). CCP almost surely had to "roll their own" clustering scheme, whereas Linux has a number of approaches to doing it at the OS level. (MOSIX would work very well for something like CCP's servers, as it makes the cluster appear like one giant machine to the programmer, who does not have to deal with any of the clustering aspects. Processes are automatically migrated between nodes as the load dictates.)
I once saw a review indicating that each node handled .5% of the EVE universe, which means that the server cluster is on the order of 200 machines. That's 200 GUIs worth of resource waste if they're using Windows.
Repeat after me: GUIs are a waste of resources on a server. GUIs are a waste of resources on a server...
Remote administration of the cluster must be hell... None of Microsoft's pitiful remote access schemes can compare to the simplicity and elegance of SSH.
Running Windows also ruled out some of the current premier clustering solutions such as an IBM zSeries mainframe or eServer 1350 blade clusters.
Edited by: BSOD on 23/06/2003 20:07:20
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Blue Screen of Death
CEO
Exodus Enterprises |
BSOD
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2003.06.23 19:55:00 -
[27]
Yeah, except that a large portion of the game is coded in Python, which is a crossplatform scripting language.
One that happens to have been developed originally for Unix systems, and later ported over to Windows, and just like Perl, is more robust and bugfree under Unix than in Windows to this day.
In general, Windows clustering is a joke... If it weren't, then why are all the major supercomputing clusters in the world running some form of Unix? (Often Linux). CCP almost surely had to "roll their own" clustering scheme, whereas Linux has a number of approaches to doing it at the OS level. (MOSIX would work very well for something like CCP's servers, as it makes the cluster appear like one giant machine to the programmer, who does not have to deal with any of the clustering aspects. Processes are automatically migrated between nodes as the load dictates.)
I once saw a review indicating that each node handled .5% of the EVE universe, which means that the server cluster is on the order of 200 machines. That's 200 GUIs worth of resource waste if they're using Windows.
Repeat after me: GUIs are a waste of resources on a server. GUIs are a waste of resources on a server...
Remote administration of the cluster must be hell... None of Microsoft's pitiful remote access schemes can compare to the simplicity and elegance of SSH.
Running Windows also ruled out some of the current premier clustering solutions such as an IBM zSeries mainframe or eServer 1350 blade clusters.
Edited by: BSOD on 23/06/2003 20:07:20
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Blue Screen of Death
CEO
Exodus Enterprises |
BSOD
Gallente
Calista Industries
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Posted - 2003.06.23 19:55:00 -
[28]
Yeah, except that a large portion of the game is coded in Python, which is a crossplatform scripting language.
One that happens to have been developed originally for Unix systems, and later ported over to Windows, and just like Perl, is more robust and bugfree under Unix than in Windows to this day.
In general, Windows clustering is a joke... If it weren't, then why are all the major supercomputing clusters in the world running some form of Unix? (Often Linux). CCP almost surely had to "roll their own" clustering scheme, whereas Linux has a number of approaches to doing it at the OS level. (MOSIX would work very well for something like CCP's servers, as it makes the cluster appear like one giant machine to the programmer, who does not have to deal with any of the clustering aspects. Processes are automatically migrated between nodes as the load dictates.)
I once saw a review indicating that each node handled .5% of the EVE universe, which means that the server cluster is on the order of 200 machines. That's 200 GUIs worth of resource waste if they're using Windows.
Repeat after me: GUIs are a waste of resources on a server. GUIs are a waste of resources on a server...
Remote administration of the cluster must be hell... None of Microsoft's pitiful remote access schemes can compare to the simplicity and elegance of SSH.
Running Windows also ruled out some of the current premier clustering solutions such as an IBM zSeries mainframe or eServer 1350 blade clusters.
Edited by: BSOD on 23/06/2003 20:07:20
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Blue Screen of Death
CEO
Exodus Enterprises |
Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.06.24 05:57:00 -
[29]
Just out of interest has anyone tried using anything like WineX or the new version of win4lin with Eve?
"Death Before Dishonor" |
Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.06.24 05:57:00 -
[30]
Just out of interest has anyone tried using anything like WineX or the new version of win4lin with Eve?
"Death Before Dishonor" |
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