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Asillia	Posted - 2009.08.15 11:28:00 - [1] Am I alone in feeling this? I'm a pretty big noob to EvE (couple weeks so far) and I spent the first four or so days doing a little bit of learning skills while running tutorials but quickly wanted to actually play the game so set about some basic combat skills to complete the epic arc while working my learning skills, by halfway through the arc I was into destroyers of which I trashed a fair few through error and one mission with 3+ webbers/scramblers zerging my uneducated self and I still had plenty of ISK left. By the time I got to the snoozefest that is the final fight in that mission arc I had an alt account running a salvage destroyer to rake in the cash and give me something to do (salvaging for other people) while my main was waiting on skills to advance. Now I have myself a cruiser and by the end of the day will have more than enough money for a BC to step up to level 3 missions but it's starting to feel like my support skills won't hold up to a BC, and once I get the cash for a BS I'll be months behind in required support skills, just for the sake of spending money and having something to do while waiting on all this training I've made a rifter pvp alt on my salvage account that I'm funneling books and items into but I still find it hard to scrounge up the will to run missions of even play the game for ISK I don't need and gear/ships I can't use for a few more weeks, I guess I may as well save up for the best implants and whatnot but it just seems so futile when if I could have the skills to match the ships I could afford I would be making even more money so much easier. I guess I'm going to go and look over loadouts and try to work out the least skill intensive BC/BS loadouts that will work for level 3/4 missions to try and get into them sooner but until then any insight into what to do with myself while waiting on support skills would be appreciated, not to mention I am now regretting going minmatar, but to change ship specs would just add further delay to my shenanigans, even if it would mean I could find more ships better suited to shield tanking. In short, I love the game and I'm addicted but the cash flow in seems excessive considering the SP ****block to actually spending it.
Bibbleibble	Posted - 2009.08.15 11:31:00 - [2] Protip: Spend that money on frigates, and have fun in lowsec. Do that whilst training up your support skills, and you'll have fun whilst waiting to fly a bigger ship. ________________________________________________ For changes to Minmatar Battleships click here (Now with added summary!)
Lost Kid	Posted - 2009.08.15 11:35:00 - [3] Buy some implants with that isk to get more sp faster?
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.08.15 11:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Lost Kid Buy some implants with that isk to get more sp faster? This might be a good motivator to grinding isk in the beginning. +3 implants cost a few mill per implant and the skills needed to use them are fast to train for(science 3 cybernetics 1 i believe). The effect on training times is pretty nice. The important thing is to have something you enjoy doing and time will fly by faster.
fatherted1989 Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.15 11:56:00 - [5] Seeing a lot of people stepping into battleships recently without the SP needed to fly a decent one.
Asillia	Posted - 2009.08.15 12:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Lost Kid Buy some implants with that isk to get more sp faster? This might be a good motivator to grinding isk in the beginning. +3 implants cost a few mill per implant and the skills needed to use them are fast to train for(science 3 cybernetics 1 i believe). The effect on training times is pretty nice. The important thing is to have something you enjoy doing and time will fly by faster. Yeah I think that is my plan, going to buy +3 implants and take a week to max out some more learning skills, it's motivation I guess, and there is no harm in having a nice bankroll ready for when I have the skills to make good use of a BS, it's just frustrating that for the first few months of the game you are held back by skill training, but on the bright side my rifter pirate with 2 days worth of training should keep me entertained for the next week or two I guess, time to l2pvp.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.08.15 12:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Asillia Yeah I think that is my plan, going to buy +3 implants and take a week to max out some more learning skills, it's motivation I guess, and there is no harm in having a nice bankroll ready for when I have the skills to make good use of a BS, it's just frustrating that for the first few months of the game you are held back by skill training, but on the bright side my rifter pirate with 2 days worth of training should keep me entertained for the next week or two I guess, time to l2pvp. To be frank, if I had to start from nothing again I wouldn't even bother training battleships again. T2 fringates and cruisers are much more useful and fun in solo/small gang situations. Battleships also take a loooooong time to train, if you want to be good with them. A few month old character in a battleship isn't much of a threat in PvP to anyone who knows what he is doing. They have nice DPS, are the backbone of fleets and easy to make money with, so they aren't bad by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or how to play the game, but it takes a lot of time to fly most of the ships really well, so you might want to specialise in ships you enjoy flying. I can fly almost all ships in 3 races and some of the fourth, but in reality I fly maybe 3-4 ships and none of them is a battleship. Bigger isn't always better in EVE and in many cases it can be worse. Just something you should keep in mind. Good luck and have fun playing.
Asillia	Posted - 2009.08.15 12:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue To be frank, if I had to start from nothing again I wouldn't even bother training battleships again. T2 fringates and cruisers are much more useful and fun in solo/small gang situations. Battleships also take a loooooong time to train, if you want to be good with them. A few month old character in a battleship isn't much of a threat in PvP to anyone who knows what he is doing. They have nice DPS, are the backbone of fleets and easy to make money with, so they aren't bad by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or how to play the game, but it takes a lot of time to fly most of the ships really well, so you might want to specialise in ships you enjoy flying. I can fly almost all ships in 3 races and some of the fourth, but in reality I fly maybe 3-4 ships and none of them is a battleship. Bigger isn't always better in EVE and in many cases it can be worse. Just something you should keep in mind. Good luck and have fun playing. I agree with you for the most part from the research I have done, but I think for the sake of level 4 missions and having one I am going to steer my main towards battleships and work out a longterm skillplan with evemon to maximize training time but I get the feeling my rifter pvp alt may end up becoming a T2 frig/cruiser gang char and will probably see more play time, only missioning on my BS to fund pvping. Thanks for all the input <3
Octave Zedarr	Posted - 2009.08.15 15:25:00 - [9] If you are saying you have too much ISK, I'll be more than happy to take some off your hands. =P
Survivor Aid	Posted - 2009.08.15 15:33:00 - [10] A good way to have fun while getting the support skills is probing. Or more specifically, ninja salvaging. 3-4 days of training and you can make 10+ millions per hour, depending on your luck.

luminous russula	Posted - 2009.08.15 15:49:00 - [11] you will be surprised that once you have like 50 mill sp you will still be having fun with your rifter :) jon fac war, specialize, and have fun!
Kezzle	Posted - 2009.08.15 16:30:00 - [12] Asillia, it sounds to me like you've been playing pretty intensively. That should mean you'll be able to afford good named modules for whatever you're flying, or to start burning some of your cash on PvP. Remember that not everyone plays the game as many hours per week as perhaps you can, so their SP growth will match their resources growth more nearly; CCP have to pitch the curves somewhere, and there will always be some people who have more money than they need to buy what they can fly, and others who play less who can't afford a BC, but could fly a T2 fit BS.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.08.15 18:55:00 - [13] I buy skills ahead of time and of course implants. This helps to chew up any excess ISK for me. I also do a lot of exploration which does not bring much money in as I keep the items for future use. I think the learning skills should be removed as they do not add to gameplay but are needed early on. But that's another matter.
Eli Porter Amarr Altruism. Avarice.	Posted - 2009.08.15 21:15:00 - [14] If you're really impatient and have a lot of ISK, just buy a character.
Zurrar Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.08.15 21:24:00 - [15] number one thing i try to tell folks just because you CAN fly it dont mean you SHOULD fly it. i see folks with 2x x-large t1 shield boosters on a carrier =_= wait till you can half way fit it then step into bc's. ima bc ***** myself. i do own a blaster fit prophecy
Bazuka	Posted - 2009.08.15 21:52:00 - [16] EVE is the least newbie friendly game I know, no doubt about it. I would call it a Noob unfriendly actually. Game is changing all the time though and I remember a time (2-3 years ago?) when new chars where starting with 1.6 mill SPs right off the bat. CCP changed it and I don`t know exactly when or why. I remember my approach when I started playing. I think starter SP count was same as now but with no training bonus? I spent the first 3 days only reading on game features and mechanics and noticed the steep learning curve right away. Then I did what the majoity of newbies did imo and that`s mining for ISK while training skills and lots and lots of reading and research on every aspect of the game. Not everyone can do this though because it is boring and the short-attension span players lose interest fast because they want to get to the good stuff right away. Best advice is to make a firm decision as to what type of game play you would like to participate in (industrial, combat, mining,PVE, PVP , Solo or as part of a corp) and focus all your skills in that direction because training skills take long time and it`s a wasted time if you keep changing your mind about what you want from the game every few weeks. If you focus all effort in one direction you`ll get there much sooner and be speced for the things you like instead of having scatered SPs and be mediocre at everything and master of nothing.
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.15 22:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Bazuka EVE is the least newbie friendly game I know, no doubt about it. I would call it a Noob unfriendly actually. Game is changing all the time though and I remember a time (2-3 years ago?) when new chars where starting with 1.6 mill SPs right off the bat. CCP changed it and I don`t know exactly when or why. I remember my approach when I started playing. I think starter SP count was same as now but with no training bonus? I spent the first 3 days only reading on game features and mechanics and noticed the steep learning curve right away. Then I did what the majoity of newbies did imo and that`s mining for ISK while training skills and lots and lots of reading and research on every aspect of the game. Not everyone can do this though because it is boring and the short-attension span players lose interest fast because they want to get to the good stuff right away. Best advice is to make a firm decision as to what type of game play you would like to participate in (industrial, combat, mining,PVE, PVP , Solo or as part of a corp) and focus all your skills in that direction because training skills take long time and it`s a wasted time if you keep changing your mind about what you want from the game every few weeks. If you focus all effort in one direction you`ll get there much sooner and be speced for the things you like instead of having scatered SPs and be mediocre at everything and master of nothing. Good info. Some join this game with an FPS mentality, and try to force that type of gameplay into this game. They normally complain alot when they have low sp. Once they have a lot of sp, they still find ways to complain. This game isn't for everyone, and many never figure that out. They just keep coming up with ideas to make this game more to "their" liking, ignoring the fact that many play this game for the gameplay that atually exists now, and don't want to see those changes.
Qolde Minmatar Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.08.16 01:05:00 - [18] Aim for a faction BS. Now your money won't look so long. :) Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Ecky X	Posted - 2009.08.16 01:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Qolde Aim for a faction BS. Now your money won't look so long. :) Solid advice. Buy a Nightmare with faction Tachyons and a Pith or Gist shield booster.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.08.16 02:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Ecky X Originally by: Qolde Aim for a faction BS. Now your money won't look so long. :) Solid advice. Buy a Nightmare with faction Tachyons and a Pith or Gist shield booster. QFT. Be sure to find a nice, friendly lowsec system (I can give you a few) to test it out in, since the rats there are nicer than in highsec. Also, remember that the best way to confuse and evade flashy red pirates with my name is to eject from your ship and warp around randomly until they get dizzy. Yep yep yep. Your money will go a long way and I don't mean in a 'giving a bad pirate a free pvp toy' way, no sir. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'

Slash Harnet Minmatar Inner Shadow	Posted - 2009.08.16 03:50:00 - [21] LoL, there are worse problems to have. When I started eve you got a less than half a mil SP and getting your first destroyer was a huge deal. The learning curve is getting less steep every patch.
Theqwert125 Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.08.16 05:42:00 - [22] This is just my personal opinion, but try to avoid flying anything you cannot afford to lose. Why? Because as a newbie this lets your skills train up, and at the same time a scramming frigate can't completely destroy the only way you have to make isk, along with nearly all of the isk you have invested already. Personally, I try not to fly anything I cannot afford to lose twice.
Jered Transer	Posted - 2009.08.16 07:45:00 - [23] Originally by: luminous russula you will be surprised that once you have like 50 mill sp you will still be having fun with your rifter :) Agree with this totally. The first char I had was the usual race for BS/DPS. when I had all that I realised that I was using frigates most of the time anyway, so with a new char I decided to specialize in all the various flavours of frigate. Having MUCH more fun this way.
NUBIARN MAJORITY	Posted - 2009.08.16 11:54:00 - [24] you`ll find as you play eve of a long period the initial rush for a bs was pointless, as you can have miles more fun in smaller ships. low sp + plus bs tracking = very unfunny.


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