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Cornaris	Posted - 2009.08.16 04:20:00 - [1] So should dire jamming Guristas.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.08.16 04:31:00 - [2] Can't argue with that logic. Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails i am your brain on boosters lol
CHAOS100 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.08.16 04:41:00 - [3] Balance then at the same time you balance sleepers from scramming & webbing at 40-100km+. Also there should be the same range limits on all NPC ecm related mods as we have. In brief, look out for these changes in the 2012 winter patch notes. --------------
Yalezorn Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.16 04:50:00 - [4] Edited by: Yalezorn on 16/08/2009 04:50:36 I wouldn't mind getting a serpentis mission where EVERY NPC isn't sensor dampening me. I honestly don't know how people without a dominix handle it, they must just skip them all.
Bazuka	Posted - 2009.08.16 04:53:00 - [5] Really? We have nerf NPCs threads? Really? I`m first to admit that I`m a fckin`carebear but this is too much even for me. ___________ CareMyBear!
Juan Valhdez	Posted - 2009.08.16 05:11:00 - [6] Originally by: CHAOS100 Balance then at the same time you balance sleepers from scramming & webbing at 40-100km+. Also there should be the same range limits on all NPC ecm related mods as we have. Sleepers are fine, they are meant to emulate players... a 70k point isnt hard to do. Shrug does it NEED to be nerfed, I dunno, 45 minutes permajammed by 4 dires is kind of annoying... Is there a fitting that that can counter this kind of behavior, or should we only fly boats with drones? ------------- I bring you fresh coffee from columbia with my donkey.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.16 05:21:00 - [7] Send out the drake army stuffed to the gunnels with FOF missiles and flying monkeys !!!111oneoneityelleven Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails i for one, like 8's that look like 9's lol
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.16 05:23:00 - [8] If they're at the point of permanjamming you for stretches of time, you should be in a ship that has at least one flight of drones, no?
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.16 05:30:00 - [9] Fit ECCM for missions? No, I need my cap rechargers! (Well, in the case of a raven or drake, might be more of a problem ) ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.16 06:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Juan Valhdez Originally by: CHAOS100 Balance then at the same time you balance sleepers from scramming & webbing at 40-100km+. Also there should be the same range limits on all NPC ecm related mods as we have. Sleepers are fine, they are meant to emulate players... a 70k point isnt hard to do. Shrug does it NEED to be nerfed, I dunno, 45 minutes permajammed by 4 dires is kind of annoying... Is there a fitting that that can counter this kind of behavior, or should we only fly boats with drones? NPC jamming, target damping and tracking disruption is chance based and hasn't suffered the balancing changes done to player EW. So in particular ECCM or higher sensor strength do nothing against NPC, while tracking computers and sensor boosters help a little. As NPC don't use scripts even those modules have limited efficiency so the only real "counters" are drones deployed before you get jammed and fof missiles.

Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.16 06:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Fit ECCM for missions? No, I need my cap rechargers! (Well, in the case of a raven or drake, might be more of a problem ) Don't work on NPC jamming.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.16 07:30:00 - [12] npc tracking disruptors need a nerf too. I hate not being able to hit past 2km (well, 2km + falloff) with mega beams on an apoc. Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
machyphy	Posted - 2009.08.16 07:34:00 - [13] if npc ewar is giving u enough problems that u are calling for nerfs u are doing it wrong
Krem daBrut Marquie-X Corp Atropos.	Posted - 2009.08.16 07:39:00 - [14] You also cant do anything angainst those evil angel target painter...
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.16 08:00:00 - [15] Originally by: machyphy if npc ewar is giving u enough problems that u are calling for nerfs u are doing it wrong
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.16 09:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Cornaris So should dire jamming Guristas. Well if you think about it the uber jammers that plauge caldari missions are just one moar little thing ccp is doing to get people the ** out of motsu. However it seems the thickness of the average mission runners skull simply won't let the logic implants funtion properly so they just keep running the same isk per hour challenged missions over and over then come and whinge on the forums about it losing even moar isk per hour. However on the flipside it does allow all us other mission runners in non-caldari space to run them in peace in our lag and jam free mission areas. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY ** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Cornaris	Posted - 2009.08.16 09:25:00 - [17] 'Fit ECCM for missions?'? lol... you're right, if your doing missions, your doing eve wrong. Crying about losing a bit of cap, a little bit of tank, or dps? No sir. I am great with the idea of sacrificing X module to get Y functionally. Fix it, make it work. Im crying that eve does not make* you do that in this situation.* FORCE me to think about the ECM in missions, plex's, anoms, not just what kind of hardener to put on or what ammo to put in cargo. Give me an option to counter it, like everything else. Perhaps nerf was the wrong word to use, title probably should have read 'Falcons were fixed'
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.08.16 09:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Krem daBrut You also cant do anything angainst those evil angel target painter... mini ewar suck sooooo hard...... why can we do nothing but tackle. aahh crap it's depressing to even think about it, must think of uzi's and office chairs, must think of uzi's and office chairs and DUCT TAPE ------------------------------ Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.08.16 09:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Krem daBrut You also cant do anything angainst those evil angel target painter... arch angel crusher > all iirc - putting the gist back into logistics
NUBIARN MAJORITY	Posted - 2009.08.16 11:51:00 - [20] personally i`de like to see ALL npc`s boosted to sleeper levels of hardness. 1 - would make missions more fun instead of the ssit back pew pew done collect scenerio it is now 2 - belt npc`s would great at least afk miners couldn`t sit in ice belts all day lol. 3 - would make team work more important for just about everthing shooty related, bring it on :))

Caldari Pete Caldari Disciples of Capt DEW	Posted - 2009.08.16 15:56:00 - [21] Originally by: machyphy if npc ewar is giving u enough problems that u are calling for nerfs u are doing it wrong I use that time to reload my missile launchers.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.16 16:10:00 - [22] Requesting Lvls 4 mission with 200 EWAR Cruisers. With Smartbombs. ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Messoroz	Posted - 2009.08.16 16:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Yalezorn Edited by: Yalezorn on 16/08/2009 04:50:36 I wouldn't mind getting a serpentis mission where EVERY NPC isn't sensor dampening me. I honestly don't know how people without a dominix handle it, they must just skip them all. Never had a problem with sensor damps being used against my mega, my guns still hit at completely reasonable ranges.
NeoShocker Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.16 18:13:00 - [24] Guristas are lame with jammings :< ----------------------------------- Peace through power!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.08.16 18:22:00 - [25] They jammed my ms once but were promptly nerfed a few patches ago.
ZenSun Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.08.16 18:27:00 - [26] Edited by: ZenSun on 16/08/2009 18:27:01 simple solution, don't do missions. Find something more pro :) mkayyy? Please resize sig to a file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
rofflesausage	Posted - 2009.08.16 19:01:00 - [27] Originally by: ZenSun Edited by: ZenSun on 16/08/2009 18:27:01 simple solution, don't do missions. Find something more pro :) mkayyy? Because only rats in missions jam. Apparently.
Cornaris	Posted - 2009.08.17 00:03:00 - [28] Originally by: ZenSun Edited by: ZenSun on 16/08/2009 18:27:01 simple solution, don't do missions. Find something more pro :) mkayyy? ecm missions are lulzable. As stated above, if your doing missions, your doing eve wrong in the first place... If your having trouble with ECM in missions, go play wow. I'm mostly of referring to the frustrations of ninja plexing/anoms in hostile space. Is that 'pro' enough for you? Feel free to read the entire thread, mkayyy?
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.08.17 01:04:00 - [29] Edited by: Breaker77 on 17/08/2009 01:04:28 Originally by: Messoroz Never had a problem with sensor damps being used against my mega, my guns still hit at completely reasonable ranges. I didn't know you could shoot at a ship without targeting it. Unless you are shooting them at less than 10k range.
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.17 01:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Breaker77 Edited by: Breaker77 on 17/08/2009 01:04:28 Originally by: Messoroz Never had a problem with sensor damps being used against my mega, my guns still hit at completely reasonable ranges. I didn't know you could shoot at a ship without targeting it. Unless you are shooting them at less than 10k range. He didn't say what kind of guns hint(BLASTERS)hint ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.



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