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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:11:00 -
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Cody Zamorah wrote:Sadly enough the questions were never answered.
Actions were taken based upon assumptions. Nowhere there was proof they were in cahoots with eachother in the upcomming tournament.
But based on what happened last year it was subsequentially easier to just assume they were up to no good.
Verification wasn't needed.
Even though they broke no rules last year we have to assume they will this year?
They played within the rules set at AT9, who then can say they will break the new rules for ATX?
Wrong. Actions were taken against people who acted in against the rules. Their self admitted testimony of what happened formed a strong case on it's own to ban them. Their pathetic attempts to wringle out of responsibility did nothing to weaken the case against them. This wasn't a case where no one knew what was allowed and innocent people were harmed as a result. The prime suspects seemed to be the ones having trouble getting the rule.
Putting it another way. There are complaints, that two teachers, Henry & Ollie are fondling kids at a school, but the existing rules don't directly forbid what they're doing. To fix the issue a new rule is made to forbid fondling kids and all teachers are notified and told the rule will be strictly monitored. H&O ask if it's still ok to touch students at all and the principle says it's ok, but reminds them to refrain from overdoing things. Most teachers don't really pay special attention to this, since it has no impact on their activities. It's just common sense.
A few days later H&O are found alone in a locked closet with a confused little 7 year old Suzy. Their hands were busy inside the little girl's shirt at the time of discovery. H&O proceed to complain about how obscure the rule is and come up with excuses about what they did wasn't actually molesting. They also defend by saying, that they asked for permission and the principle said it was ok to do what they did. This is the case before CCP. The only reasonable way to deal with it is to take action against H&O and treat their justifications as the totally worthless excuses they are.
Cody Zamorah wrote:Also the question of mine in clarification towards the following
Penalties
A player found breaking any rules can be penalized to various degrees, depending on the severity of the offence. All penalties are incurred at the tournament organizer's discretion. Decisions are final. Penalties may be levied against a player or team and may include but are not limited to:
GÇóPoints deduction
GÇóReducing the offending ship(s) shield / armor / hull / capacitor to 50%
GÇóRemoval from the fightBan from competing for one or more matches.
GÇóBan from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments.
GÇóFor Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.
Bolded and underlined the section which made me curious.
Does this imply that the referee can read minds and listen in on voicecomms to hear / read what the teams are thinking / planning and as such can judge on all relevant information?
Because it seems a bit off, that it boils down to how the referee feels at that moment.
The whole "at the referee's discretion, at the GM's discretion" etc seems to pop up a lot, but that makes it pretty vague in my humble opinion.
Personal guttfeelings shouldn't be the point to judge on because we all know that guttfeeling aren't 100% accurate.
I would like to see a bit more elaboration on that to ensure the referees "believes" aren't the only thing which can result in declaring a match null or void.
I hate to break this to you, but 100% certainty on desicions isn't possible and that vagueness in mandatory. You have to make desicions based on what is likely or propable. It's just like every other referee in a sport. He monitors the game and calls them like he sees them. In this case it should be fairly obvious, since it's only there to deter obvious cases of cheating like last year. Cases like the other side not fighting at all or stopping and losing the fight after they had already won it. All you have to do is try to win the fight and you'll be ok.
Digital Solaris got his answer from Raivi. He is an alliance tournament veteran and the rules concerning that area haven't been changed. A dev could have confirmed it, but it doesn't seem necessary. Suleiman's thread on the other hand is another pointless protest thread like this one, that was made by someone who is bitter about CCP's rulings, but hasn't got anything really concrete to stand on. It certainly didn't warrant a dev response.
Cody Zamorah wrote:we can continue, but this gives a slight indication to what I am hinting. What we do get is CCP Soundwave wrote:Cool story bro
Sounds like a fitting response to this thread. More specifically, you aren't making a reasonable counter arguments about the rules/CCP decisions. You're raising such theoretical and fringe objections, that treating them seriously is just a waste of a developers time.
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