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Relimius	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:39:00 - [1] Hey I'm new to PvP, but have already engaged several Drake BC and been trashed every time in my Rifter. Are there any glaring weaknesses in the Drake's design or any tactics for going up against them or at least surviving long enough to escape? Thanks
Je'Nann Soul Assassins Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:43:00 - [2] did you target paint it first?
Lola Fang Space Assassination Service	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:43:00 - [3] Originally by: Relimius Hey I'm new to PvP, but have already engaged several Drake BC and been trashed every time in my Rifter. Are there any glaring weaknesses in the Drake's design or any tactics for going up against them or at least surviving long enough to escape? Thanks Blob > Drake. ---------------- "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?," "Well," said the pirate, "it was my first day with my hook"
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:45:00 - [4] drake is slow and locks frigates slowly, just warp out. dont try to fight a drake in a small ship. his missiles + drones hurt alot.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic drake is slow and locks frigates slowly, just warp out. dont try to fight a drake in a small ship. his missiles + drones hurt alot. z0mg omg liek missiles are TOTALLY NERFED d00d and can't hit frigates/barns and or whatever d00d, CCP hates Caldari! I mean... What he said. If they missiles don't get you, the light drones will toast you in roughly 20-30 seconds.
Al Anders	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:13:00 - [6] Don't use MVD at first against drake, use AB. Kill drones first. Neut him a bit. Be sure you have an industial loaded with an ammo near you :)
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Al Anders Don't use MVD at first against drake, use AB. Kill drones first. Neut him a bit. Be sure you have an industial loaded with an ammo near you :) and he will never break the shields of a good pilot. even a pvp buffer fit has enough shield recharge to make his rifter cry.
Future Mutant Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:59:00 - [8] Rifter vs Drake? Muahhahahahahhahahahaahahaa drakes drones alone will kill your rifter in a min or two. You will never be able to take on a drake in a rifter- one is a frigate (one of the best t1 frigs yes but still just a frig) and the other is a bc (that uses heavies which arent that bad against a frig, not to mention the drones) Now a rifter has its uses- think more along the lines of cheap, disposable tackle Your stuff iz mine through actions
Honest Nonlabor Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:51:00 - [9] Why the hell would you engage a PvP fit drake in a T1 frig? Just dont, even a mediocre pilot will eventually kill you.
Red zeon Caldari Circle of Shadows Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:54:00 - [10] i usually kill em solo with the rook with em missiles. if you can fit it right and use it right, theres no way a rook can solo kill a drake even if its unrigged. (rook can deal about 370dps with heavys)
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.19 14:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Relimius Hey I'm new to PvP, but have already engaged several Drake BC and been trashed every time in my Rifter. Are there any glaring weaknesses in the Drake's design or any tactics for going up against them or at least surviving long enough to escape? Thanks How about not attacking a BC in a T1 frig? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.08.19 14:43:00 - [12] A Rifter might be able to take a turret battlecruiser, but it would depend on the fitting and the skill of the BC pilot. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2009.08.19 14:49:00 - [13] Hmmmm, this makes me want to try to kill a Drake in a Rifter
Trollofski	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:16:00 - [14] If anyone loses a Drake to a Rifter should be shot dead ( Castro REVOLUCIOOON! style)
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:35:00 - [15] Disregarding the mind-numb OP, might this not be a good time to discuss the awfulness of PassiveDrakes and such? What is a lone pilot to do against a ship like this? _________________________________________________________
Psiri	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:12:00 - [16] Hmm, active repair and an afterburner along with a DCU should be able to tank a Drake once his drones are down. Make sure to target them first, make a specific tab for drones in the overview for easy targeting. Second problem is that even if he's got a buffer HAM fit his passive shield regen will most likely be higher than your DPS, even if it was't it'd still take ages to bring him down.
Red zeon Caldari Circle of Shadows Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Aleus Stygian Disregarding the mind-numb OP, might this not be a good time to discuss the awfulness of PassiveDrakes and such? What is a lone pilot to do against a ship like this? if you mean a drake would aggro you? you warp away. if he has a point, you ab/mwd away from him and warp away. if he has point and mwd, then the drake cannot have a uber tank. so you kill it. and if your thinking of a gatecamp with a drake, he would prolly need a sens booster to, and then he would allready be crippled. dont get me wrong, drake is a good ship, aslong as someone else does the takling :P
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Red zeon Originally by: Aleus Stygian Disregarding the mind-numb OP, might this not be a good time to discuss the awfulness of PassiveDrakes and such? What is a lone pilot to do against a ship like this? if you mean a drake would aggro you? you warp away. if he has a point, you ab/mwd away from him and warp away. if he has point and mwd, then the drake cannot have a uber tank. so you kill it. and if your thinking of a gatecamp with a drake, he would prolly need a sens booster to, and then he would allready be crippled. dont get me wrong, drake is a good ship, aslong as someone else does the takling :P Wrong, its good with tackle as well, imo one of the best BC of the lot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
fatherted1989 Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Red zeon Originally by: Aleus Stygian Disregarding the mind-numb OP, might this not be a good time to discuss the awfulness of PassiveDrakes and such? What is a lone pilot to do against a ship like this? if you mean a drake would aggro you? you warp away. if he has a point, you ab/mwd away from him and warp away. if he has point and mwd, then the drake cannot have a uber tank. so you kill it. and if your thinking of a gatecamp with a drake, he would prolly need a sens booster to, and then he would allready be crippled. dont get me wrong, drake is a good ship, aslong as someone else does the takling :P wat http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25752-Drake-PvP-optimal-fitting.html
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Red zeon dont get me wrong, drake is a good ship, aslong as someone else does the takling :P 2006 called, they want their knowledge of fitting back.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Red zeon if you can fit it right and use it right, theres no way a rook can solo kill a drake even if its unrigged. You don't know how to fit or use a Drake.
Rothgar Detris The Society of Innovation	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:37:00 - [22] Drake > BS tank. Cruiser gank Hate to say it, but there's no realistic way a Drake will lose a one-on-one fight to a rifter.. Even webbed and scrammed. You'd be luckyto get him down to less than 50% shields, and every 6-7 seconds he will be hitting you for 150 - 200, not even counting drones. And if they have t2 missiles, you'll be lucky to get 3-4 shots/volleys. Also, Dtakes have a VERY simple omnitank, and therefore usually have no dmg "hole"/weakness. Even with 2 rifters, it would be very dicey, depending on the fits and skills involved. Don't try to solo Drake. Call in your friends (as many as possible) or leave it alone. P.S. Alot of corps will often use a Drake as a "bait" ship. Don;t be surprised if some of his friends show up after yours do..
Miss Xoco Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:44:00 - [23] A Drake is able to tank the damage of a BS, so if you bring down a drake using a Rifter you earn a medal, seriously. Only way to break his tank is when the Drake got no cap left but its almost impossible to archieve by a single frigate.
AnKahn Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:46:00 - [24] I tend to not fly the Drake because I'm trying to become more well rounded in PvP. That said the Drake is not slow. It can easily fit a MWD, point, and web. It's DPS is slightly low but it's DOT is on par with other BC. It is slightly more expensive to fly because it HAS to be rigged. A well fitted Drake and a Domi have similar price tags. Heavy missiles are nasty. And that's all I have to say about that -- Forest Gump
Ron Santo Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.08.19 18:32:00 - [25] Originally by: AnKahn Heavy missiles are nasty. try HAM's, your head may explode (along with your oppponent's ship)
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2009.08.19 18:55:00 - [26] Edited by: Hanneshannes on 19/08/2009 18:54:58 So it almost worked, then some pirate came and ninjad it :'( Was thinking of letting the Drake go and trying again later but meh... Chased him for 5 or 6 jumps and fought him in 3 systems (at one point he jumped under aggro which I found weird). I have it on tape if any1 is interested lol. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7523587#submitMail
Nyveg Hyperborea Re	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Aleus Stygian Disregarding the mind-numb OP, might this not be a good time to discuss the awfulness of PassiveDrakes and such? What is a lone pilot to do against a ship like this? Not much, sadly enough. Fly off in your Minnie Battleship and train Caldari or wait another 2 years before this is addressed.
Nyveg Hyperborea Re	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Wrong, its good with tackle as well, imo one of the best BC of the lot. It is the best T1 ship hands down. Well, sub-capital.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:33:00 - [29] dont diss the rifter! 169 dead caps caught on video
Nyveg Hyperborea Re	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:47:00 - [30] Ok suggestion to the OP, just dictate range and fight in falloff. Meant no disrespect to the bald female ^^

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